-> Hirashin users lose to EMS Madara

[The Necromancer]

Lol

This was my original Argument, which still holds




Now as for the 4 points:

1. Madara can manipulate his Susanoo just like any other member but he didn't manipulate the trajectory of the TBB after it was fired. That's pure BS. Hashirama didn't want the the layout of the battlefield to be changed that's why he used Rashomon to change it's trajectory. So as said in my quote, the Jikukan Keekei i.e. S/T barrier works!

2. The Hiraishin user doesn't need to "Tag" Susanoo. A chakra link via a shadow clone is enough. Again in my quote I never said Minato/Tobirama "tags" Susanoo I only said "touch" meaning a link is all that is needed Lol

3. Link between Susanoo and it's user:

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The four possibilities written in my quote work fine U_U

4. Other:

(i) Hiraishin Users have Large Chakra pools. Minato mastered the Perfect SM that alone confirms he had a very large chakra pool. Tobirama was a Senju who battled Madara for days, killed his brother Izuna. There never was a question about his chakra pool Lol

(ii) The Kyuubi gets teleported and a contract seal could be used at any time. Aslo Madara could re-summon it but before he does that he gets blitzd seeing how Hiraishin users are the fastest of their era, sai by Madara himself U_U

(iv) Nidaime has never once been caught in a genjutsu Lol Edo Tensei beats Madara without much difficulty

(v) Minato has never once been caught in a genjutsu, even the best genjutsu user by feats i.e. Obito couldn't put Minato under.

I stopped reading because most, if not all of what you said was already covered in the OP.

 

[Kirikoe]

I believe the intangibility points were specifically in response to the argument of sending the Susano'o away to another location in order to reach the user inside, as well as the separate argument for teleporting both the Susano'o manifestation and User away to a desirable location.

However you are partially correct, as a FTG kunai within susano'o would be detrimental to the Sharingan user. However, there is really no situation in which a Hiraishin user would attack Susano'o directly with a kunai, and the sharingan user would react by letting it slip through his susano'o.

as u just said the sharingan user would let it slip through.. in which case they teleport within susano to reach the sharingan user.. in all honesty since the tag has a decent range on it then the user doesnt even have to wait for it to go through susano he can just let the kunai hit susano and then teleport inside

i admit that its foolish to think that both madara and susano can be teleported at once just simply by tagging susano.. they would need to be tagged seperately

 

[Bronze]

While Waltz is offline, i will do the honor of defending it.

@Kirikoe - Kunai being thrown to Susanoo, wont allow Minato teleport inside it, since the kunai is thrown outside the range of Susanoo.

@Joki Boi - Yes he can, since Susanoo is chakra manifestation and controlled by its user. Its been seen multiple times.

 

[Smd]

This is a good thread, but you seem to be a little mad that somebody thinks the users have a chance against Madara, which is childish to be mad about if that's the case. .

and yet you insult me on the regular when you dont agree with my logic.

ot- i agree tho, it seems you made all this just too prove some fanboys wrong, but they can still poke holes in your logic.

 

[Smd]

This is a good thread, but you seem to be a little mad that somebody thinks the users have a chance against Madara, which is childish to be mad about if that's the case. .

and yet you insult me on the regular when you dont agree with my logic.

ot- i agree tho, it seems you made all this just too prove some fanboys wrong, but they can still poke holes in your logic.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Good Thread.

Nice thread. This should be made especially for EjBlack.

Why specifically for me :|

 

[Bronze]

Good Thread.



Why specifically for me :|

For believing Tobirama can defeat EMS Madara with Kurama or without ._.

 

[Kirikoe]

While Waltz is offline, i will do the honor of defending it.

@Kirikoe - Kunai being thrown to Susanoo, wont allow Minato teleport inside it, since the kunai is thrown outside the range of Susanoo.

@Joki Boi - Yes he can, since Susanoo is chakra manifestation and controlled by its user. Its been seen multiple times.

once the kunai comes into a certain range of susano.. or even makes contact with susano.. given the range that the tag has as shown when minato teleported back to his house when he was against obito and kurama he was a significant distance away from the tag.. this here is the area of effect.. that area of effect would overlap into susano once the kunai hits susano.. thus this means minato can take advantage of this AOE and teleport within the susano

 

[RikudouMadara]

I really like it...especially that you caught the fact Madara controlled the sword during his fight with Hashirama. >_O

 

[Minator93]

I stopped reading because most, if not all of what you said was already covered in the OP.

Well this thread was made to counter my post to begin with, that's why some of it's points are covered or rather tried to cover up. I didn't read this thread fully, skimmed. I didn't find anything on Hiraishin Goshun Mawashi or FTG barrier augmented with shadow clones. Some BS was said about Madara being able to maneuver a fired TBB Lol

And also the fact that after all this so called counter thread, the OP left with saying Minato can't counter Genjutsu and hence loses. What a fail that is Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

and yet you insult me on the regular when you dont agree with my logic.

ot- i agree tho, it seems you made all this just too prove some fanboys wrong, but they can still poke holes in your logic.

I'm never mad because you think a certain thing. I get mad at you because you constantly scream "troll" and insult everyone who disagrees with you. Plus, everyone knows you're a troll and do your absolute best to annoy the crap out of everyone on the base. You are not a valid example.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

For believing Tobirama can defeat EMS Madara with Kurama or without ._.

My tactics were completely different use then this thread is suggesting, by scenario.

My counters were more then FTG, and mainly Suiton prowess, which enable concussive damage to the user. This has shown to strip Sussanoo away from the users temporally

 

[Joki Boi]

MADARA IS THE STRONGEST! HE IS HE IS HE IS!!!

Right, calm down we're all well aware.

 

[Minator93]

My FTG Radius Argument from back in 2011

Here are some photos that shows that Minato can teleport in a radius of few meters around the FTG Kunai

Look at the distance

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Appearing directly above Tobi

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Marked Tobi's Back but attacked from the front

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Teleporting himself to the Kunai

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This is the width of Itachi's Complete Susanoo

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From the above data its pretty clear than minato can get past the susanoo via FTG Kunai i.e. Teleporting Inside of it.

Shows perfectly how Minato can teleport inside of a Susanoo

 

[Kirikoe]

My FTG Radius Argument from back in 2011



Shows perfectly how Minato can teleport inside of a Susanoo

this is exactly what i was talking about.. the radius itself can be used in combat which means minato technically doesnt have to spread a load of kunai in a CqC fight but can just keep teleporting to the same kunai that he has on himself but making use of its radius to appear at different points

 

[Bronze]

once the kunai comes into a certain range of susano.. or even makes contact with susano.. given the range that the tag has as shown when minato teleported back to his house when he was against obito and kurama he was a significant distance away from the tag.. this here is the area of effect.. that area of effect would overlap into susano once the kunai hits susano.. thus this means minato can take advantage of this AOE and teleport within the susano

Minato's house was set up with Kunai from the INSIDE from the start [

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]. Susanoo is different case in this matter.

@EjBlack: What ever you say, though i could have shat on it .

@Joki Boi: Editing my posts doesn't make you a funny guy.

 

[The Necromancer]

My FTG Radius Argument from back in 2011



Shows perfectly how Minato can teleport inside of a Susanoo

I don't agree. However as it has never been shown, and probably never will be shown, there's equal cause for belief in each side. I personally don't think minato could teleport into an air-tight room by having a kunai in the room next to it.

My belief is that Kishi knew teleporting to the kunai directly would cause him to destroy space/time law by having two masses occupying the same space at the same time, and so had minato teleport near it, which fans then over-exaggerated and used as a loophole.

 

[Behemoth55]

The foundation of Susano'o is Inton: The spiritual energy that governs the imagination, can be used to create form out of nothingness. However at this point, it still remains intangible but gains destructibility and a physical form as Yōton is supplied. Once it is no longer being nourished by Yōton energy, the remaining Inton accordingly evaporates into nothingness [

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I'm sure Inton and Yoton are permanently important, since Susanoo represents the material world and the world of mind equally.

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Anyway, best thread so far. :3

 

[Prince Charles]

Space warping should had never been introduced it's just simply too hax and complicated for me and too many arguments over it's potential.(Ftg)

 

[Minator93]

I don't agree. However as it has never been shown, and probably never will be shown, there's equal cause for belief in each side. I personally don't think minato could teleport into an air-tight room by having a kunai in the room next to it.

My belief is that Kishi knew teleporting to the kunai directly would cause him to destroy space/time law by having two masses occupying the same space at the same time, and so had minato teleport near it, which fans then over-exaggerated and used as a loophole.

There isn't even a question about it. I mean we already know about Obito's and Kakashi's Space Time Techniques they can travel to anywhere even without making. Even the summoning tech [food cart destroyer] could be used from anywhere.

In short Minato can teleport inside a locked room with Kunai outside of it because of his FTG Radius U_U