[VS] Hipothetical BSM Naruto as jin of Full Kurama takes gauntlet

[KCMNaruto]

Definately looses to Juubito, Hashirama is Debatable, Probably beats EMS Madara.

EMS Madara would loose for sure... as Full Kurama would be = EMS Madara, and Jin especially perfect jin > Tailed beast
SM Hashirama would loose as well, because Full Kurama BSM Naruto would be even faster...
Juubito v1 I say is debatable, but v2 stomps.

 

[Swagdara Uchiha]

Well, you explained it well but I would say he could give trouble Madara still.

I do know that he will actually give Madara a bit of trouble, but the outcome is inevitable always.

 

[TRE MERCER]

no that is just wrong. I am sure Full Kurama BSM Naruto beats SM Hashirama low-med diff

Not a chance his only chance of winning is using Bijuudama's which isn't a factor for Hashirama since the buddha has thousands of hands. Buddha stanches Naruto up and restrain him and his chakra then crushes him like a bug.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Pretty sure you need Rikudo Senjutsu to sense it.

When was that said?​

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[Bronze]

When was that said?​

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Madara said that Limbo cannot be seen or sensed in the normal world, and he was fully aware of Sage mode's sensing capabilities.

OT: I hope people realise that having full Kurama isn't going to make a difference in Naruto's overall power. As EjBlack showed, he will only have more Chakra. None of the less, he stops at 1, since he has nothing to bypass Perfect Susanoo.

 

[KidGamer65]

When was that said?​

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Madara attributes them being able to see/sense Limbo to their power ups, and he said that no one in this world should be able to sense it, that should include Sage Mode users.

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And you need Rikudo's Chakra to harm the shadow, so it wouldn't be surprising if you need his Senjutsu to sense it.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Madara attributes them being able to see/sense Limbo to their power ups, and he said that no one in this world should be able to sense it, that should include Sage Mode users.

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And you need Rikudo's Chakra to harm the shadow, so it wouldn't be surprising if you need his Senjutsu to sense it.

This was after Madara gained the Rikudo's Senjutsu as well.​

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[A v i]

Stops at no:2.

 

[KidGamer65]

This was after Madara gained the Rikudo's Senjutsu as well.​

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How would that change anything?

 

[Kagustuchi]

How would that change anything?

Naturally increases the strength and abilities of his Jutsu. Kakashi was able to use Perfect Susano'O with the Rikudo's Senjutsu, which should logically be impossible otherwise.​

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[KidGamer65]

Naturally increases the strength and abilities of his Jutsu. Kakashi was able to use Perfect Susano'O with the Rikudo's Senjutsu, which should logically be impossible otherwise.​

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Yeah, it increases the strength, but it shouldn't make it so that it could only be sensed with Rikudo Senjutsu and hurt with Rikudo's Chakra. That's unrelated with the strength of the jutsu.

 

[Kagustuchi]

Yeah, it increases the strength, but it shouldn't make it so that it could only be sensed with Rikudo Senjutsu and hurt with Rikudo's Chakra. That's unrelated with the strength of the jutsu.

It shouldn't have allowed Kakashi to use Perfect Susano'O either, yet it did. Why would Madara have a jutsu that only the Rikudo's Senjutsu can harm when he doesn't have the Juubi?

It honestly could have been because of Onmyoton.​

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[KidGamer65]

It shouldn't have allowed Kakashi to use Perfect Susano'O either, yet it did. Why would Madara have a jutsu that only the Rikudo's Senjutsu can harm when he doesn't have the Juubi?​

Kakashi's eyes got stronger, which let him use a stronger Susanoo. That is strength. This isn't.

It was just Rikudo's Chakra, not only Rikudo Senjutsu, so that makes sense considering Hagoromo's chakra flows through his body, which is why he awakened the Rinnegan.

It honestly could have been because of Onmyoton.

Yeah, but then why would it only be sensed by Rikudo Senjutsu like Madara implied? That has nothing to do with the negation of jutsu, not to mention attacks that aren't based off Rikudo's Chakra just phase through the shadow instead of simply not working.​

 

[TRE MERCER]

How would that change anything?

He has a point there are to many factors contributing to the limbo can only be hit by senjutsu attacks because it took after Madara's Juubi jin body. So we can never accurately say it would be the same with normal SM Madara. Also if that was true Limbo wouldn't be able to block Madara from no attack either seeing as they would just slip through and hit the real Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

He has a point there are to many factors contributing to the limbo can only be hit by senjutsu attacks because it took after Madara's Juubi jin body. So we can never accurately say it would be the same with normal SM Madara. Also if that was true Limbo wouldn't be able to block Madara from no attack either seeing as they would just slip through and hit the real Madara.

That doesn't explain why Limbo can only be sensed by Rikudo's Senjutsu, so his body isn't the reason they jutsu can't be hurt without Rikudo's Chakra, its because that is how the jutsu works.

@bold: It is true, cause Sasuke's sword slipped right past it, yet it was able to hit the Bijuu and it was able to block Sakura. Unless the Limbo is trying to block the attack, it'll go right through.

 

[Bronze]

He has a point there are to many factors contributing to the limbo can only be hit by senjutsu attacks because it took after Madara's Juubi jin body. So we can never accurately say it would be the same with normal SM Madara. Also if that was true Limbo wouldn't be able to block Madara from no attack either seeing as they would just slip through and hit the real Madara.

Senjutsu mixes natural energy with the person's spiritual and physical energy. Because Madara's Chakra signature is identical to Hagoromo's/Rikudou's (Indra's and Ashura's), by adding natural energy to Madara's Chakra, he gains Rikudou's Senjutsu. With that conclusion, his body's properties before becoming Jinchuuriki has not changed.​

 

[VongolaX]

I agree



Bullshit is strong with this one.



Could he give RG Madara at least some difficulty ?
I believe he would, but I agree



Could give Madara some diff , but I agree



That for sure, 4th is debetable with Madara having more chance for win



You understimate him I am sure he could clear until 4th


he has chance against juubito v1 although


Most likely



SM hashirama would still loose as Naruto would be friend with Full Kurama as perfect Jin...
Even Juubito v1 would be beat, maybe RG Madara but I doubt it.


why is that ?



Well, you explained it well but I would say he could give trouble Madara still.



I believe he clears Hashirama for sure, but I agree with stops at 4, although he would still give Madara run for his money I think. Madara would win med diff.



no that is just wrong. I am sure Full Kurama BSM Naruto beats SM Hashirama low-med diff

Sm Hashirana said that both of them with full kyuubi chakra is comparable to his own.

JJ Obito>>>>Rinnegan Madara no juubi by miles, and Obito already beat full yin yang kurama with sm naruto and minato easily.

Only juubi jinchuuriki's can beat a juubi jinchuuriki

JJ Madara would end them worse than JJ obito would.

 

[Unorthodox]

like i said he loses to all

Perfect susanoo + Full kurama > BM full kurama naruto or bsm

Hashirama defeated that duo by default he wins plus he's anti bijuu anyways

 

[KCMNaruto]

I don't see why people believe SM Hashirama could beat that version of Naruto.

BSM Naruto was already very fast as shown in his BM and it was only with Half Kurama. Now with Full Kurama -> more chakra he should be even faster especially his sunshin.

Full Kurama shot barage of TBB(small I could say) and along with PS swords it was able to destroy Buddha arms.
Now considering Naruto could use TBBFRS and as perfect jin > bijuu it is likely to posses even more destructive power to damage even more buddha or destroy it. Wood golem is no factor when Naruto is so fast and also has such destructive power, so useless would be wood dragon, creating Forest, roots.

About RG SM Madara, I think without Gedo Mazou Full Kurama BSM Naruto wins this med diff, as he is much faster then Madara and has great fire power. Yeah I know Madara can use Preta Path along with his body asborbtions jutsu to absorb attack. However Army of clones blitzing around would be hell trouble for that Madara. Madara's limbo shouldn't be able to keep up and he it can not save him from all sides.

With Gedo Mazou, Madara takes this rather unless Naruto will keep blitzing and avoiding while trying to destroy Gedo Mazou with TBBFRS. Madara's PS is no factor. Besides Madara's limbo was such strong when used as Jin Madara, before it just blown away bijuu but could it distract Full Kurama BSM Naruto enough... I doubt it.

Against v1 Juubito, it is very tough battle as he was very fast, posses insane regeneration and also TSB. The only Naruto chance would be ganging up on him with army of clones trying to takes out him with TBBFRS... or chakra arms + Frog Katas but I think Juubito v1 wins more time then loose.

Against Juubito v2 -> He beats Naruto no-low diff,
8th Gate Gai no diff.
Jin Madara neg diff

IMO TBBFRS would have fire power comparable to TBB with PS's swords or even higher

 

[Zee U]

1. EMS Madara BSM Naruto already wins mid diff. This version of Naruto stomps.
2. SM Hashirama BSM Naruto could already push him to high difficulty. This version of Naruto wins mid diff.
3. Juubi jin Obito v1 Naruto wins, high difficulty.
4. Double Rinnegan SM Madara Madara wins, only due to Naruto not being capable of sensing Limbo.
5. Juubi Jin Obito v2/ Eight Gate Gai /
6. Juubi Jin one-eyed Rinnegan Madara /

Honestly, another half of Kurama doesn't make up for two rinnegans/the juubi and the eighth gate.