Hinata v Rock Lee
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TheEvilOne
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It would not be a high difficulty for Lee; base or not.
As real as Sasori vs Hinata thread; sadly.
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None of you know jackshit about how Hinata's skills work yet you still fanboy her; let alone knowing about Lee who has an arsenal and skills far outclasses hers.
Lee>>>Hinata; no contest; this is weird because there are more people siding Lee when it comes to Neji vs Lee threads; but when it comes to Hinata who is inferior to Neji; some people side her it does not even make sense.
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hinata gets her head ripped off.
how? he'd be behind her in less than a second punching her head in
How exactly does base Lee stomp low difficulty. He probably takes it mid difficulty while gated Lee stomps low difficulty.
Base Lee would still have somewhat of a moderately challenging time because he isn't fast enough to blitz Hinata and he'd have to get through invisible vacuum palms before he can actually get to her. She also has 360 vision so a blitz from the back may prove to be more challenging than it would seem.
I did not say it would be stomp; i said it would not be high difficulty for him.
Her vision does not mean much as long as she is not fast enough to compete with Lee's speed; which is the main case here.
And Lee would not need to go gates against her; but they would be just overkill.
And he is definetely fast enough to blitz Hinata.
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He could potentially do so although he'd first have to get through vacuum palms hence it won't be a low difficulty stomp. Still, why did the OP not restrict gates? What about weighted Lee VS Hinata? Now this would actually be a good match up.
He is pretty fast; getting past through airpalms and dodging would work for him; but distance is not even stated in op...
Only thing which would be remotely a fight would be weights on Lee...Gates pretty much takes everything out of context.
i think current hinata wouldn't be enough. lee with weights would be much easier to fight and would make it LOOK equal since gental fist isn't just poking points but is also an elite form of taijutsu in itself. hits would probably land on both of them but the fact that she would hit more then 1 point on his body (since he isnt a jutsu~ chakra user) would probably mean that hinata would take more dmg quicker dew to lee's superior stringth. also im not taking into account that lee's enemy is neji meaning he has undoubtedly been preparing to fight gental fist style for quite some time now.as for hinata's range, this wouldn't be a long ranged fight, they are both taijutsu users meaning that a close ranged fight is almost inevitable. as for her sight, that brings up the question of if she can keep up with what she see's. this is why altho sasuke could use sharingan to see lee (in the first few saga's) he still couldn't even defend himself dew to the fact that his body was unable to catch up with lee's. lee wins this one. possibly not with ease tho.
Lee with weights suggests that he is not having hardships; as long as he does not have to open gates or remove gates; it means he does not have much hard time against the opponent. And Lee's taijutsu far outclasses Hinata's; she would not be able to keep up with Lee; byakugan is different than sharingan and her own physical speed is below Lee's.
not correct. he loses his weights in dier situations, thats why he needed the ok from guy to do so against gara, if he were to do it when ever he was "having a hard time against his opponent", he would have done so against that sound guy in the forest be4. or even vs that lightning guy for wich he got drunk off of curry to beat. his taijutsu is great and for most perposes outclasses any1's but possibly guy, HOWEVER, hinata wouldnt use just straight taijutsu. gental fist, a especially deadly form of taijutsu, would give her an edge (tis what makes neji such a challenge in the first place). yes, lee outclasses hinata, her fighting style is more deadly and is even renouned by might guy himself. to kinda put in a mental picture... lee's style of fighting loses to hinata's, so lets lable lee as a ball of fire, and hinata as water, however, lee's much faster and stronger then hinata, so the fire would be far bigger then the amount of water. the water would be trown onto the fire and hurt its flame but be evaporated before being able to snuff out the fire. lastly, tho byakugan is different then sharingan, my point is the same, they can both see lee, but as long as their body's are too slow, they cant keep up.
My point was; the removal of weights is some sort of "power ups"; it is higher scale of him using something; his okay from Gai is related to his character and he used first gate against sound nins; which were able to incapacitate him before he could go further.
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The gentle fist style is deadly; that does not mean Hinata is. Everything have different scales and Hinata is not Neji; she is still below his level by too many means. Practicly every ninja uses gouken in their base form; but they are nowhere near the level of Lee or Gai when it comes to proficcency.
Again her fighting style; not hinata. Hinata was far below Neji back then; and Gai stated that Hinata had no chance against Neji; however in Lee's fight with Gaara; Gai said that high speed given by gates would make him defeat Neji. Lee is already much faster than Hinata.
Lee's taijutsu>Hinata's by any means; it does not matter who have what type of style what it matters is in what level they are in. Lee has a more deadly one because of his own superior skills. Overall; i think gates>juuken>gouken when it comes to taijutsu; but as i said everything have different scales; the a>b>c would not work.
Idk what we are debating over here; we pretty much seem to agree. Juuken's hype is not making her a better taijutsu user.
OT: Lee still owns Hinata.
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the debate is that wile i agree lee wins, ur underestimating hinata.
point 1. the weights are not a last resort, no, however, their not just a tool to use as he pleases, he only uses them when in a deeply troubling situation, it isn't something he does ANYTIME he having a hard time against his opponent, otherwise it would be something he would do every other fight, kinda like how naruto uses his forms. they're like emergency back ups for him. not just a simple "power-up." .
2. i know that lee is better then hinata, that has already been established and saying it over and over wont change my point. her fighting style is more deadly then his (and you dont seem to get that, that matters)it doesnt matter that neji is a higher lvl then hinata, the whole reason he is a challenge is beacuse of gentle fist. if that wasn't the case then it would be the case that neji's taijutsu skill's rival lee's which i don't agree with. it wont be simple ownege cause lee will need to fight a superior fighting style. the fact that its hinata and not neji doesn't mean he will have no trouble whats so ever(because it wasn't neji he was having trouble beating, but how neji AND hinata fight), it only means he has a much greater chance at winning. to try and put that into perspective,
lee>>>hinata
but
gental fist>>lee's style of fighting
that said, hinata's weapon is better, giving her a small edge. i know it wont be enough to completely turn the fight or even make it close to even, however saying knowing gental fist wont help her at all, is like saying bringing a gun to a knife fight wont help either.
3. this is a NINJA fight. this will mainly involve taijutsu, yes, but that doesnt mean hinata will sit back and not do anything but try to pressure point him. if u wanna get technichal, go to their wiki web pages. u'll see their stats there.. as of now, hinata is only .5 points away from being his equal.
just like lee tromps her in taijutsu, hinata is better then lee at some things(being almost twice as smart and having litterally 3times as much ninjutsu and genjutsu ability). through that, we can asses lee wont completely own her if he keeps at base form.
i can tell ur a lee fan but pls look at this from a naruto fans point of veiw, lee isnt the god of shinobi and hinata isnt chopped liver
p.s. i'm only talking about regular lee, what guy said about lee wile his weights are off AND he was in gates mode is irrelivent. plus, ur facts seem to come from years ago, hinata has as of recently shown to compare with neji. completeing 64 palms, mastering the palms guard and lion strike.... she has even outlived him.
point 1. the weights are not a last resort, no, however, their not just a tool to use as he pleases, he only uses them when in a deeply troubling situation, it isn't something he does ANYTIME he having a hard time against his opponent, otherwise it would be something he would do every other fight, kinda like how naruto uses his forms. they're like emergency back ups for him. not just a simple "power-up." .
2. i know that lee is better then hinata, that has already been established and saying it over and over wont change my point. her fighting style is more deadly then his (and you dont seem to get that, that matters)it doesnt matter that neji is a higher lvl then hinata, the whole reason he is a challenge is beacuse of gentle fist. if that wasn't the case then it would be the case that neji's taijutsu skill's rival lee's which i don't agree with. it wont be simple ownege cause lee will need to fight a superior fighting style. the fact that its hinata and not neji doesn't mean he will have no trouble whats so ever(because it wasn't neji he was having trouble beating, but how neji AND hinata fight), it only means he has a much greater chance at winning. to try and put that into perspective,
lee>>>hinata
but
gental fist>>lee's style of fighting
that said, hinata's weapon is better, giving her a small edge. i know it wont be enough to completely turn the fight or even make it close to even, however saying knowing gental fist wont help her at all, is like saying bringing a gun to a knife fight wont help either.
3. this is a NINJA fight. this will mainly involve taijutsu, yes, but that doesnt mean hinata will sit back and not do anything but try to pressure point him. if u wanna get technichal, go to their wiki web pages. u'll see their stats there.. as of now, hinata is only .5 points away from being his equal.
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leejust like lee tromps her in taijutsu, hinata is better then lee at some things(being almost twice as smart and having litterally 3times as much ninjutsu and genjutsu ability). through that, we can asses lee wont completely own her if he keeps at base form.
i can tell ur a lee fan but pls look at this from a naruto fans point of veiw, lee isnt the god of shinobi and hinata isnt chopped liver
p.s. i'm only talking about regular lee, what guy said about lee wile his weights are off AND he was in gates mode is irrelivent. plus, ur facts seem to come from years ago, hinata has as of recently shown to compare with neji. completeing 64 palms, mastering the palms guard and lion strike.... she has even outlived him.
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1. moving weights is a simple resort for him; it also makes him more effective than he already is; so it seems like a "power up"; not a direct power up; it just boost his ability; or atleast seemingly.
2. comparing guns and knives to gentle fist and gouken is out of picture. Hinata does not have proficency in her respective area to make her on par with Neji; even usage of gentle fist have different level of power levels; also to make it "deadly"; it requires a preciese aim to a vital spot.
3. Have Hinata shown feats in ninjutsu and genjutsu? What are her intelligence feats in battle? Lee is atleast focused on battle; for ex in his fight with Kimimaro he was actually observing Kimi's transformation and thinking about it; Hinata didn't even shown battle intelligence feats; not that intelligence would help someone in such battle. And combination of stats do not mean anything; Gaara has 29 combined and stronger than Asuma who has 32,5; that's just an example. I know Lee is not God of shinobi that's quiet obvious. And Hinata did not outlive Neji. He is still above her level; Neji completed 64 palms atleast 3 years ago; he is much more proficient than her because he had more experience on that technique than hinata. The palms guard is a filler move. Twin lion fists have no feats; and i highly doubt they would outclass Neji's superior speed, strength, battle intelligence, overall proficency in gentle fist, also techs like kaiten, full body push etc... She did not outlive Neji.
2. comparing guns and knives to gentle fist and gouken is out of picture. Hinata does not have proficency in her respective area to make her on par with Neji; even usage of gentle fist have different level of power levels; also to make it "deadly"; it requires a preciese aim to a vital spot.
3. Have Hinata shown feats in ninjutsu and genjutsu? What are her intelligence feats in battle? Lee is atleast focused on battle; for ex in his fight with Kimimaro he was actually observing Kimi's transformation and thinking about it; Hinata didn't even shown battle intelligence feats; not that intelligence would help someone in such battle. And combination of stats do not mean anything; Gaara has 29 combined and stronger than Asuma who has 32,5; that's just an example. I know Lee is not God of shinobi that's quiet obvious. And Hinata did not outlive Neji. He is still above her level; Neji completed 64 palms atleast 3 years ago; he is much more proficient than her because he had more experience on that technique than hinata. The palms guard is a filler move. Twin lion fists have no feats; and i highly doubt they would outclass Neji's superior speed, strength, battle intelligence, overall proficency in gentle fist, also techs like kaiten, full body push etc... She did not outlive Neji.
