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1. moving weights is a simple resort for him; it also makes him more effective than he already is; so it seems like a "power up"; not a direct power up; it just boost his ability; or atleast seemingly.

2. comparing guns and knives to gentle fist and gouken is out of picture. Hinata does not have proficency in her respective area to make her on par with Neji; even usage of gentle fist have different level of power levels; also to make it "deadly"; it requires a preciese aim to a vital spot.

3. Have Hinata shown feats in ninjutsu and genjutsu? What are her intelligence feats in battle? Lee is atleast focused on battle; for ex in his fight with Kimimaro he was actually observing Kimi's transformation and thinking about it; Hinata didn't even shown battle intelligence feats; not that intelligence would help someone in such battle. And combination of stats do not mean anything; Gaara has 29 combined and stronger than Asuma who has 32,5; that's just an example. I know Lee is not God of shinobi that's quiet obvious. And Hinata did not outlive Neji. He is still above her level; Neji completed 64 palms atleast 3 years ago; he is much more proficient than her because he had more experience on that technique than hinata. The palms guard is a filler move. Twin lion fists have no feats; and i highly doubt they would outclass Neji's superior speed, strength, battle intelligence, overall proficency in gentle fist, also techs like kaiten, full body push etc... She did not outlive Neji.
1.It is clear that losing the weights isnt a "simple resort" for him. for one, he gain's speed but loses power in his attack.(the swift attacks he does to gara when he loses the weights would have had a much greater impact if he would have been able to concentrate wile hitting, however, he sacrificed that power for speed and the ability for the hits to actually land) he wouldnt ever do that unless he needed too. it is NOT a simple power up and never in the origonal manga did they even hint to that, how ever, him only doing so when guy told him he could does hint to the fact that they are an emergency back up. also, it wouldnt make sence for him to almost NEVER remove them if they were a simple power-up. especially since all the other charectors use there simple power-ups in nearly every fight.

2.i'll admit, comparing gun's and knifes is abit out of the park alil, but u dont seem to get that hinata's lvl of gental fist isnt that low(During the Fourth Shinobi World War, Hiashi also considered her strong enough to protect her cousin, Neji now as much as he protects her.)
Her skill in the Gentle Fist is so great that she could use it to relocate Naruto's dislocated shoulder. in the anime, it was noted that after Tsunade was elected as Hokage, Hiashi was confident enough to allow her to start training in Senbon Sparring: an elaborate Hyūga clan ritual where one must spar nearly one thousand times in succession.
-Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists-Hinata using the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists.

During the timeskip, Hinata improved her taijutsu skills immensely, and displays now a larger variety of her clan's techniques. She has also acquired her own original arsenal, displaying the use of the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists, which much of was not seen in the manga except for its formation as the technique did not reach its target, but in the anime was able to momentarily OVERWELM NEJI during their training, and break Pain's chakra receivers with ease. She has also shown to be skilled in the use of the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm when she was able to react and deflect a few wooden spikes to protect Naruto after he had used up his Sage Mode.She could also collaborate with Neji to use the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm, which is a variation of the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm both of which creates a huge wave of chakra that is targeted at the opponent's vital points.Through Neji's instruction, Hinata's taijutsu skills have increased to the point where she can now perform one of the Hyūga clan's most powerful techniques: the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, which she successfully used against one of the Ten-Tails' mini-clones. It has also been hinted by Hinata that this technique can be combined with the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists.
When fighting Pain in the anime, her attacks were strong enough to snap Pain's Chakra Disruption Blades that were restraining Naruto and also able to strike Pain.The anime also has Hinata continuing to develop her natural flexibility. This was shown while she was battling Nurari in the anime when she was able to dodge most of his attacks, despite the enemy's elastic body.In the anime, she developed the Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, a technique that can take advantage of her great flexibility and coordination to both attack and defend at the same time. In the anime's Three-Tails Arc, Hinata performed the Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms, a minor version of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms.
, and even if it was, its still gental fist. no matter how good she is with it, it became dangerous the moment she learned how to use it. (this is why she is able to kill things... if her lvl of gental fist was truly that low, then she prolly wouldnt even be a ninja)

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Byakugan
Hinata can focus her Byakugan's sight to drastically increase its range in one direction up to at least 10 kilometres.It was confirmed by Kakashi that Hinata can use her Byakugan to see through genjutsu, as he requested her to do so when they fought Tobi.Using her Byakugan, she could help Ino time and pinpoint her Mind Body Switch Technique on Obito, saving Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and B from the Ten-Tails' Tailed Beast Ball.During the anime's Search for the Bikōchū Arc, she was able to use her Byakugan to magnify and zoom, effectively seeing every small insect in the area, and could also see in infrared.Using her Byakugan in the anime, Hinata even accurately fired chakra needles at fast and tiny targets. In Part II of the anime, during her fight against Guren, Hinata demonstrates her new mastery of her kekkei genkai: Hinata's Byakugan was at first overcome by Guren's crystal labyrinth, which refracted light to produce many duplicate images of herself, however, Hinata was able to focus on her target and allowed the Byakugan to function enough for her to accurately see Guren's real chakra network and not the reflections.
Chakra Control

After the Chūnin Exams, Hinata trained to become stronger, developing in a way which took advantage of her excellent chakra control. The results of this training are shown during the anime's Search for the Bikōchū Arc; she is first seen training beside a waterfall, where she forms an orb of water around herself. She is later shown forming chakra needles that she uses to attack a swarm of bees. Her new-found chakra control can also emit streams of chakra from her palms to create extremely sharp blades, which can be used to hit any target in her field of vision. Due to her excellent chakra control, Hinata is able to freely manipulate the size and strength of the chakra blades, effectively allowing her to use this technique for offence and defence.
In Part II of the anime, Hinata's chakra control has advanced greatly as seen in the Three-Tails Arc, where her chakra control was mentioned as being at least on par with that of a medical-nin, as she was selected to perform the Four-Corner Sealing Barrier along with Sakura, Ino, and Shizune. Ino, although trained as a medical-nin, had difficulty maintaining and controlling her chakra to sustain the seal, unlike Hinata, who managed with relative ease.
intelegence = Though not displayed often in the series, Hinata is shown to have good intelligence(UNLIKE LEE who halft the time is shown as an idiot), as she was able to answer most of the questions on the written portion of the Chūnin Selection Exam without being shown cheating. She was confident enough in her answers that she wanted Naruto to copy off her when she saw that he was struggling.
genjutsu= what i said about her being able to see through it (wich i know doesnt help but it does mean he has some basic understanding of it, and that means she show's intelegence)also in case u didn't know...
neji die's and hinata is still alive... by definition, she has outlived him
again you are underestimating her.she isnt chopped liver and she isnt something that can be pushed around so easily. she wouldnt win against lee but he wouldnt just blow her out of the water. (also stating that gaara [who is the one with lower stats] would win against asuma[wich in a test of ninja skills, i highly doubt] doesnt help you for 2 reasons. 1. hinata is the one with the lower stats (like gaara) 2. gaara has a special defencive ability wich he primarilly uses to makes up for his lower ratings in other area's. this is the only reason lee didnt beat him and in hinsight would be the only reason asuma wouldnt either.)
 

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1.It is clear that losing the weights isnt a "simple resort" for him. for one, he gain's speed but loses power in his attack.(the swift attacks he does to gara when he loses the weights would have had a much greater impact if he would have been able to concentrate wile hitting, however, he sacrificed that power for speed and the ability for the hits to actually land) he wouldnt ever do that unless he needed too. it is NOT a simple power up and never in the origonal manga did they even hint to that, how ever, him only doing so when guy told him he could does hint to the fact that they are an emergency back up. also, it wouldnt make sence for him to almost NEVER remove them if they were a simple power-up. especially since all the other charectors use there simple power-ups in nearly every fight.
whatever i just said removal of weights is a boost of skills
2.i'll admit, comparing gun's and knifes is abit out of the park alil, but u dont seem to get that hinata's lvl of gental fist isnt that low(During the Fourth Shinobi World War, Hiashi also considered her strong enough to protect her cousin, Neji now as much as he protects her.)
Her skill in the Gentle Fist is so great that she could use it to relocate Naruto's dislocated shoulder. in the anime, it was noted that after Tsunade was elected as Hokage, Hiashi was confident enough to allow her to start training in Senbon Sparring: an elaborate Hyūga clan ritual where one must spar nearly one thousand times in succession.
-Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists-Hinata using the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists.

During the timeskip, Hinata improved her taijutsu skills immensely, and displays now a larger variety of her clan's techniques. She has also acquired her own original arsenal, displaying the use of the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists, which much of was not seen in the manga except for its formation as the technique did not reach its target, but in the anime was able to momentarily OVERWELM NEJI during their training, and break Pain's chakra receivers with ease. She has also shown to be skilled in the use of the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm when she was able to react and deflect a few wooden spikes to protect Naruto after he had used up his Sage Mode.She could also collaborate with Neji to use the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Wall Palm, which is a variation of the Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm both of which creates a huge wave of chakra that is targeted at the opponent's vital points.Through Neji's instruction, Hinata's taijutsu skills have increased to the point where she can now perform one of the Hyūga clan's most powerful techniques: the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, which she successfully used against one of the Ten-Tails' mini-clones. It has also been hinted by Hinata that this technique can be combined with the Gentle Step Twin Lion Fists.
When fighting Pain in the anime, her attacks were strong enough to snap Pain's Chakra Disruption Blades that were restraining Naruto and also able to strike Pain.The anime also has Hinata continuing to develop her natural flexibility. This was shown while she was battling Nurari in the anime when she was able to dodge most of his attacks, despite the enemy's elastic body.In the anime, she developed the Protection of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms, a technique that can take advantage of her great flexibility and coordination to both attack and defend at the same time. In the anime's Three-Tails Arc, Hinata performed the Eight Trigrams Thirty-Two Palms, a minor version of the Eight Trigrams Sixty-Four Palms.
, and even if it was, its still gental fist. no matter how good she is with it, it became dangerous the moment she learned how to use it. (this is why she is able to kill things... if her lvl of gental fist was truly that low, then she prolly wouldnt even be a ninja)

3.ninjutsu =
Byakugan
Hinata can focus her Byakugan's sight to drastically increase its range in one direction up to at least 10 kilometres.It was confirmed by Kakashi that Hinata can use her Byakugan to see through genjutsu, as he requested her to do so when they fought Tobi.Using her Byakugan, she could help Ino time and pinpoint her Mind Body Switch Technique on Obito, saving Naruto, Kakashi, Guy, and B from the Ten-Tails' Tailed Beast Ball.During the anime's Search for the Bikōchū Arc, she was able to use her Byakugan to magnify and zoom, effectively seeing every small insect in the area, and could also see in infrared.Using her Byakugan in the anime, Hinata even accurately fired chakra needles at fast and tiny targets. In Part II of the anime, during her fight against Guren, Hinata demonstrates her new mastery of her kekkei genkai: Hinata's Byakugan was at first overcome by Guren's crystal labyrinth, which refracted light to produce many duplicate images of herself, however, Hinata was able to focus on her target and allowed the Byakugan to function enough for her to accurately see Guren's real chakra network and not the reflections.
Chakra Control

After the Chūnin Exams, Hinata trained to become stronger, developing in a way which took advantage of her excellent chakra control. The results of this training are shown during the anime's Search for the Bikōchū Arc; she is first seen training beside a waterfall, where she forms an orb of water around herself. She is later shown forming chakra needles that she uses to attack a swarm of bees. Her new-found chakra control can also emit streams of chakra from her palms to create extremely sharp blades, which can be used to hit any target in her field of vision. Due to her excellent chakra control, Hinata is able to freely manipulate the size and strength of the chakra blades, effectively allowing her to use this technique for offence and defence.
In Part II of the anime, Hinata's chakra control has advanced greatly as seen in the Three-Tails Arc, where her chakra control was mentioned as being at least on par with that of a medical-nin, as she was selected to perform the Four-Corner Sealing Barrier along with Sakura, Ino, and Shizune. Ino, although trained as a medical-nin, had difficulty maintaining and controlling her chakra to sustain the seal, unlike Hinata, who managed with relative ease.
intelegence = Though not displayed often in the series, Hinata is shown to have good intelligence(UNLIKE LEE who halft the time is shown as an idiot), as she was able to answer most of the questions on the written portion of the Chūnin Selection Exam without being shown cheating. She was confident enough in her answers that she wanted Naruto to copy off her when she saw that he was struggling.
genjutsu= what i said about her being able to see through it (wich i know doesnt help but it does mean he has some basic understanding of it, and that means she show's intelegence)also in case u didn't know...
neji die's and hinata is still alive... by definition, she has outlived him
, and even if it was, its still gental fist. no matter how good she is with it, it became dangerous the moment she learned how to use it. (this is why she is able to kill things... if her lvl of gental fist was truly that low, then she prolly wouldnt even be a ninja)
I did not say it was too low; but it is low compared to Neji, and that spoiler is a direct copy past from Naruto wiki; which is also filled with info contains "feats" from fillers and are not canon material. Hinata was never able to overwhelm Neji; during her "fight" with Pain; she litterally got one shotted but animation company dragged it out; there also other things in anime which are far from being canon; such as some techs from Hinata; but it would be long to point them all; all in all, only manga is canon.

And Lee's intelligence; he has been shown as an idiot in mostly anime stuff probably because he is not dumb as people make him out to be (he is not a genius but definetely not a complete retard). Acting goofy does not suggest being an idiot; Naruto is a complete goofball but shown really good strategy feats; "being shown as an idiot" does not provide anything. Answering questions does not mean much either; because Shikamaru; one of the smartes people in the manga was not able to do it. But if we look at Lee and Hinata; what is Hinata's observation and focus skills in battle? That's what it counts, sorry to break it out but she focuses on Naruto rather than her opponent in battle.

I thought Hinata's "outliving" Neji was suggesting she have surpassed him; i never thought she being alive at the moment would be used as an arguement; becaue it gives nothing and does not suggest anything about skills. By defination many fodder ninswho are alive outlived the likes of Muu, Kimimaro etc simply because they are alive...so; what?
again you are underestimating her.she isnt chopped liver and she isnt something that can be pushed around so easily. she wouldnt win against lee but he wouldnt just blow her out of the water. (also stating that gaara [who is the one with lower stats] would win against asuma[wich in a test of ninja skills, i highly doubt] doesnt help you for 2 reasons. 1. hinata is the one with the lower stats (like gaara) 2. gaara has a special defencive ability wich he primarilly uses to makes up for his lower ratings in other area's. this is the only reason lee didnt beat him and in hinsight would be the only reason asuma wouldnt either.)
i am not underestimating her... i am going by manga facts; i did not state she is a chopped liver but i know Lee would outclass her even in a base form. I gave databook examples for example of they do not mean much; it had been stated that Hinata is 0,5 points further from her; that does not mean with 0,5 extra they would be in same level.
hinata is only .5 points away from being his equal.
^^that's what had been stated; Asuma and Gaara examples were for pointing that databook stats do not give valid conclusions in power levels.
 
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whatever i just said removal of weights is a boost of skills

I did not say it was too low; but it is low compared to Neji, and that spoiler is a direct copy past from Naruto wiki; which is also filled with info contains "feats" from fillers and are not canon material. Hinata was never able to overwhelm Neji; during her "fight" with Pain; she litterally got one shotted but animation company dragged it out; there also other things in anime which are far from being canon; such as some techs from Hinata; but it would be long to point them all; all in all, only manga is canon.

And Lee's intelligence; he has been shown as an idiot in mostly anime stuff probably because he is not dumb as people make him out to be (he is not a genius but definetely not a complete retard). Acting goofy does not suggest being an idiot; Naruto is a complete goofball but shown really good strategy feats; "being shown as an idiot" does not provide anything. Answering questions does not mean much either; because Shikamaru; one of the smartes people in the manga was not able to do it. But if we look at Lee and Hinata; what is Hinata's observation and focus skills in battle? That's what it counts, sorry to break it out but she focuses on Naruto rather than her opponent in battle.

I thought Hinata's "outliving" Neji was suggesting she have surpassed him; i never thought she being alive at the moment would be used as an arguement; becaue it gives nothing and does not suggest anything about skills. By defination many fodder ninswho are alive outlived the likes of Muu, Kimimaro etc simply because they are alive...so; what?

i am not underestimating her... i am going by manga facts; i did not state she is a chopped liver but i know Lee would outclass her even in a base form. I gave databook examples for example of they do not mean much; it had been stated that Hinata is 0,5 points further from her; that does not mean with 0,5 extra they would be in same level.

^^that's what had been stated; Asuma and Gaara examples were for pointing that databook stats do not give valid conclusions in power levels.
though from the wiki, you should prolly re-read, quite abit of that stuff wasnt filler(some of it was clearly shown in the manga wile other peaices like the twin lion's was hinted to in the manga as well). and my point is, b/c her lvl of gental fist is high eough to be consitered deadly, it may very well be high enough to give lee some trouble, not cause her lvl of taijutsu is close to his, but cause its gental fist, almost the most deadly style of taijutsu in the entire show.

he is focused in battle, i'll give you that, but he doesnt depend on intellegence in the least bit. his battle conclusions seem pretty bland in comparasin to every1 elses to tell u the truth. the smartest battle feat i have ever seen him pull off was when he faught the sound ninja and used the tree cause he thought there was a trick to his opponents attack(which he still got caught into). also the questions on the test, were ninja BATTLE questions, and besides that, when shikamaru got the test he instantly desifered the true meaning of the test and was never shown not able to answer any of the questions. and never has she ever been destracted by naruto enough to harm her in battle.

since neji and hinata was doing the same thing when he died, it could suggest that her skill's were greater then his. (i know that not to be true but u did ask what it could mean other then just, she's alive)

u are underestimating her and u havent used a single manga fact, all u've done is say what i said is invalid. lee would outclass her, i agree but it wouldnt be pure ownage. and .5 points actually could help her depending on where u put it.

the asuma and gara example doesnt work, as i said, b/c gara has a special ability that doesnt factor into what the stats tell (there isnt a stat for sand moving ability or general defence)
 

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though from the wiki, you should prolly re-read, quite abit of that stuff wasnt filler(some of it was clearly shown in the manga wile other peaices like the twin lion's was hinted to in the manga as well). and my point is, b/c her lvl of gental fist is high eough to be consitered deadly, it may very well be high enough to give lee some trouble, not cause her lvl of taijutsu is close to his, but cause its gental fist, almost the most deadly style of taijutsu in the entire show.
I do not have to pick stuf from there; i know what i have been seen in the manga; filler stuff is messing it up.
The style might be deadly; every ninja is deadly; even Ino or Tenten because they are ninjas; since when did i state it would be total ownage when he had weights and no gates?
he is focused in battle, i'll give you that, but he doesnt depend on intellegence in the least bit. his battle conclusions seem pretty bland in comparasin to every1 elses to tell u the truth. the smartest battle feat i have ever seen him pull off was when he faught the sound ninja and used the tree cause he thought there was a trick to his opponents attack(which he still got caught into). also the questions on the test, were ninja BATTLE questions, and besides that, when shikamaru got the test he instantly desifered the true meaning of the test and was never shown not able to answer any of the questions. and never has she ever been destracted by naruto enough to harm her in battle.
Doesn't change the fact that she is not focusing in opponents; someone who is focused in battle would be enough for her. The thing is; what kind of counter strategy she can come up with when she is thinking about Naruto? And when his opponents is knowing a fair amount of knowledge about her style? Besides Shikamaru; Sasuke, Gaara, Ino etc were not able to do so; they are intelligent people from what had been seen from their battles.
since neji and hinata was doing the same thing when he died, it could suggest that her skill's were greater then his. (i know that not to be true but u did ask what it could mean other then just, she's alive)
What is this... Hinata would be dead from the same reason if it was not for Neji's sacrifice, she did not make a tech at the tame either; and no; this also does not suggest they are equals; it is completely irrevelant to skills. It is a sacrifice; if Konohamaru tries to sacrifice himself for another; and Naruto sacrifices himself in order to save Konohamaru and that person because his techs are not making in time; does that mean Konohamaru>Naruto?
u are underestimating her and u havent used a single manga fact, all u've done is say what i said is invalid. lee would outclass her, i agree but it wouldnt be pure ownage. and .5 points actually could help her depending on where u put it.

the asuma and gara example doesnt work, as i said, b/c gara has a special ability that doesnt factor into what the stats tell (there isnt a stat for sand moving ability or general defence)
I did not underestimate her; i did not say it would be pure ownage either (some others did though). But he would defeat her base weight on form without the needing of other enhancements.
Yes combination of stats are invalid; that's what i tried to say. Just because Hinata is 0,5 away; that does not mean she is 0,5 away from being an equal. "Sand moving ability" is a part of Gaara's ninjutsu. Combination of stats do not give clues about power levels and how people close to each other in powers. Tenten and Chouji both have 20,5; does that mean they are equals? Asuma and Gaara example was giving that.

I don't even know what we are debating over here and its getting boring... Agree to disagree?
 
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I do not have to pick stuf from there; i know what i have been seen in the manga; filler stuff is messing it up.
The style might be deadly; every ninja is deadly; even Ino or Tenten because they are ninjas; since when did i state it would be total ownage when he had weights and no gates?

Doesn't change the fact that she is not focusing in opponents; someone who is focused in battle would be enough for her. The thing is; what kind of counter strategy she can come up with when she is thinking about Naruto? And when his opponents is knowing a fair amount of knowledge about her style? Besides Shikamaru; Sasuke, Gaara, Ino etc were not able to do so; they are intelligent people from what had been seen from their battles.

What is this... Hinata would be dead from the same reason if it was not for Neji's sacrifice, she did not make a tech at the tame either; and no; this also does not suggest they are equals; it is completely irrevelant to skills. It is a sacrifice; if Konohamaru tries to sacrifice himself for another; and Naruto sacrifices himself in order to save Konohamaru and that person because his techs are not making in time; does that mean Konohamaru>Naruto?

I did not underestimate her; i did not say it would be pure ownage either (some others did though). But he would defeat her base weight on form without the needing of other enhancements.
Yes combination of stats are invalid; that's what i tried to say. Just because Hinata is 0,5 away; that does not mean she is 0,5 away from being an equal. "Sand moving ability" is a part of Gaara's ninjutsu. Combination of stats do not give clues about power levels and how people close to each other in powers. Tenten and Chouji both have 20,5; does that mean they are equals? Asuma and Gaara example was giving that.

I don't even know what we are debating over here and its getting boring... Agree to disagree?
i have fun wile debating^^, and dissagree. also ur getting pretty bad at this. u just admitted she is deadly and u did basicly say own("lee outclasses in almost every aspect of this thread" "lee>>>hinata" "not high difficalty for him"IN YOUR WORDS)
she actually does focus on her opponents and wile she does fangirl over naruto, she normally does better when he's around from a need to impress him. bet u cant find one time when being unfocused has caused her to lose a fight. and stop being mr. "everything must be connon" at least im backing what i say up.
besides that fact, lee is an only taijutsu user. all of those people(if given time) could prolly find a counter. luckly, hinata's resolve would mostlikly be to use her taijutsu (duh)
also before u start crying over why neji died, (ur konohamaru exp fails.b/c both naruto and konohamaru are alive. hinata actually outlived neji) actually read what i said fully. i said and i quote,"i know that not to by e true but u did ask what it could mean other then just, she's alive." meaning I KNOW THAT DOESNT MAKE HER STRONGER THEN HIM.(yet)
u did underestimate her and from how u speak of her u make her sound useless.
and the combanation of stats are pretty usefull as long as they are correct. the only reason gaara would win v.s asuma is dew to his ninjutsu( wich is a special condition wich sqewers the data when comparing ) however, there is no special condition in a fight against hinata or lee (ESPECIALLY since lee can only use taijutsu) meaning the stats arent sqewerd and may be pretty acurate in this debate.p.s. i've always found tenten and choji pretty equal. just different. i'm not sure how a fight between them would be uneven or even turn out. on one hand she is a long ranged fighter and can deal dmg w'out him hitting her but on the other, choji has ability's like the human bolder to use to get in close.


i do agree lee can win, and i do agree wile in full base form, but it wouldnt be the onesided fight u make it seem to be.
 
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i have fun wile debating^^, and dissagree. also ur getting pretty bad at this. u just admitted she is deadly and u did basicly say own("lee outclasses in almost every aspect of this thread" "lee>>>hinata" "not high difficalty for him"IN YOUR WORDS)
she actually does focus on her opponents and wile she does fangirl over naruto, she normally does better when he's around from a need to impress him. bet u cant find one time when being unfocused has caused her to lose a fight. and stop being mr. "everything must be connon" at least im backing what i say up.
Every ninja is deadly...because they are suppose to be.
Not high difficulty does not mean low difficulty; there are other scales inbetween. I said Lee>>>Hinata in response because 1) Referring to ppl who think they she would simply defeat him 2) Someone who can defeat her in base form without going exremes is obviously stronger than her. The fact that we do not even involving gates here shows the difference in powers. Being focused does matter in a fight; thinking about crush is not what a combatant suppose to do. We do not know a thing about her battle intelligence feats; and eveything must be canon; atleast i am using my own words instead of copying from wiki and not using things from fillers.

also before u start crying over why neji died, (ur konohamaru exp fails.b/c both naruto and konohamaru are alive. hinata actually outlived neji) actually read what i said fully. i said and i quote,"i know that not to by e true but u did ask what it could mean other then just, she's alive." meaning I KNOW THAT DOESNT MAKE HER STRONGER THEN HIM.(yet)
u did underestimate her and from how u speak of her u make her sound useless.
You don't know what example means do you? And how did i make her seem useless?
since neji and hinata was doing the same thing when he died, it could suggest that her skill's were greater then his. (i know that not to be true but u did ask what it could mean other then just, she's alive)
^^also this had been said...

and the combanation of stats are pretty usefull as long as they are correct. the only reason gaara would win v.s asuma is dew to his ninjutsu( wich is a special condition wich sqewers the data when comparing ) however, there is no special condition in a fight against hinata or lee (ESPECIALLY since lee can only use taijutsu) meaning the stats arent sqewerd and may be pretty acurate in this debate.p.s. i've always found tenten and choji pretty equal. just different. i'm not sure how a fight between them would be uneven or even turn out. on one hand she is a long ranged fighter and can deal dmg w'out him hitting her but on the other, choji has ability's like the human bolder to use to get in close.
we are inclined to disagree on this. And Lee vs Hinata has conditions; we did not even bring up but gates; his strength+speed skills increase greatly. Stats do not give accuracy in power levels; that's what i think but you are almost completely thinking othervise and it probably won't change; and that's cool.

Seriously, it is just getting boring...
 

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Every ninja is deadly...because they are suppose to be.
Not high difficulty does not mean low difficulty; there are other scales inbetween. I said Lee>>>Hinata in response because 1) Referring to ppl who think they she would simply defeat him 2) Someone who can defeat her in base form without going exremes is obviously stronger than her. The fact that we do not even involving gates here shows the difference in powers. Being focused does matter in a fight; thinking about crush is not what a combatant suppose to do. We do not know a thing about her battle intelligence feats; and eveything must be canon; atleast i am using my own words instead of copying from wiki and not using things from fillers.


You don't know what example means do you? And how did i make her seem useless?

^^also this had been said...


we are inclined to disagree on this. And Lee vs Hinata has conditions; we did not even bring up but gates; his strength+speed skills increase greatly. Stats do not give accuracy in power levels; that's what i think but you are almost completely thinking othervise and it probably won't change; and that's cool.

Seriously, it is just getting boring...
The reason for debating is to become smarter, if im wrong, i'll feel good by being proven wrong because i will gain the knowledge of what is correct.(in case u might wanna know why im debating this. u should consider this)

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u said a combination of three things and created the illusion that lee would own her. im sorry if you didnt mean it and if people who said u said he would own were only assuming, but u did insinuate it by saying he outclasses her in almost every way and that he is 3 times better then her( the 3 times comes from the 3 greater than sign's instead of one ) AND that it wouldnt be hard for him to win. thats like u handing me a pie and me saying "mmmm. not bad." (i never said it was good, but any1 would assume that i thought it was good,, and rightfully so.)

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i never said focus didnt matter in a fight. but i did say wanting to impress naruto actually helps her in a fight, weather its supposed to or not. i see your point, but its unlikly true that naruto would destract her and cost her a fight as he never has before. her reason for losing has never been not enough focus and so u have no real reason to belive that she would lose dew to "thinking about crush"

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im sorry for using the wiki, this whole post if from my words. we know from the Origional Manga that the test asked advanced jonin lvl battle questions. showing them to naruto (her crush) means she was confadent in her answers enough to trust his future as a ninja on it wile knowing what it meant to him (we can assume she know's that dew to the fact that she has watched him train super hard despite his fails in class. we can assume she knows about them cause she was in the class with him.) this shows she has at least battle knowlege.(intelegence)

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in this case, why must everything be connon? The the origional reason for anything to need to be cannon is cause non-connon things may not be in continuity(or disagree) with the real storyline and may cause confusion. so people disreguard it as "untrue"(hince the term non-connon = not-continuous = not-in-continuity-with-the-events-of-the-story) but the stuff i said doent disagree with the story in anyway, and so u have no real reason to belive them to be untrue. also, idk about you but. id much rather u back urself up with non-connon facts, then to use nothing
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an example is an instance told to prove a point, theory, or postualte. for example, ur example didnt work cause it didnt prove ur point that hinata outliving neji means nothing(altho, idk why ur trying to prove that) its not nice to be sarcastic like that
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im not inclined to dissagree with any1 but i am inclined to not belive something thats not proven(also, tho u seem like a smart person, u also seem like a big lee fan meaning im also inclined not to belive you dew to the fact that your opinion has a chance to be biased) i am not "thinking otherwise", with the added power of lee's power ups, i actually think this would be ownage but my point isnt that hinata stands a chance, but that he wont beat her w/out at least alil struggle if he stay's in base form.
 
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I wonder if Hinata's 8 trigrams palms revolving heaven would be able to keep Lee off her back. That's probably how Neji kept Lee from landing a blow on him.
 
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