High School Student Rapes And Kills Math Teacher

[HadouKage]

You make it sound so easy to forgive. Remember, this world is not the Naruto Universe, not by a god damn long shot.

Never said it was, but it's possible and I've seen ppl do it

 

[Wolfus]

@Bold
How are you gonna constitute a human life to math? :|
How sociopathic do you sound right now? The whole fact of the matter is ppl are dying because of another's actions just as this unfortunate lady has. Bullying is becoming such a problem they made a movie, multiple PSA's, commercials and even famous ppl are supporting anti-bullying so no, it isn't relevant at all.


Your generalizing a whole group and not knowing what you're talking about. Some kids don't know. I've worked in schools and asked kids why they bully and the reasons were different. I used to bully ppl and didn't even know it, but I did it to try and be funny, not hurt the other person's feelings. I didn't know that it hurt ppl that much.

Annnnnd now, you're putting words in my mouth. Never once did I say that he doesn't deserve punishment (go back and read). However, I did ask who are you, we, to say that this boy doesn't deserve to learn for his crimes? I think he should be punished to the full extent, however, you're making it seem like everyone that aids to death and cause the death toll to rise need to be jailed or dead.

Ironically, I find it funny how you believe in God but know nothing of forgiveness or mercy

1- Stop the drama. It's not the human life I'm turning into numbers, it's the problem. Do you really think that something that 1 one time in 1 billion times causes death is the same another thing that 1 out of 10 times causes death? Do you think they're the same? Obviously not. If you think that, then you think that games are a problem as well. Because in 0,001% of all murders, gaming is a reason. Because 0,001% of people who play games muder because of it.

2- So what? We need to pretend that it isn't a problem they don't know what they're doing? First, most of them know. The actual suffering can be seen. Something of this weigh can't be done without a single knowledge of what's being done.

3- And I answered it pretty clearly. I am not important, but society is. Again, I ask: will you risk your life for a the lfie of trash? Because if a person can't be fixed in jail, and is still harming people on jail, then death is the solution to avoid society from being harmed. So, if you're not willing to risk your life, don't risk society.

4- Some stuff I believe, some I don't. We're long past forgiveness. If we learned with our mistakes, then I'd say people should be forgived. But humans barely learn. So it's too late for this.

The risk will be eliminated because he'll be put in jail but that's why they have jail sentences. If you kill him you think this will never happen again because it most likely will. His death will mean nothing to the society because there are over millions of criminal around the world. It'll make you safe because he got excuted? It'll make me safe because he's in jail.

Yes, his death is the best way to protect society. Again, you didn't read my posts. I gave 3 exemples, 3 events that happend(and still happen) taht people were in jail but caused the death of many citizens. Now, I ask you: Would these citizens have died if the criminals were dead? No, they wouldn't.
That's the whole point. Of course there are many criminals, but safety increases when one dies. When 10 die, when 1000 die. If the criminal is still dangerous iin jail(and I proved that some can be dangerous in jail), then death is the only way to protect society.

You make it sound so easy to forgive. Remember, this world is not the Naruto Universe, not by a god damn long shot.

^^^ this. Reality is not naruto in which you can change people by talking to them, you can fix people by talking to them. Humans are not like that.

 

[HadouKage]

1- Stop the drama. It's not the human life I'm turning into numbers, it's the problem. Do you really think that something that 1 one time in 1 billion times causes death is the same another thing that 1 out of 10 times causes death? Do you think they're the same? Obviously not. If you think that, then you think that games are a problem as well. Because in 0,001% of all murders, gaming is a reason. Because 0,001% of people who play games muder because of it.

2- So what? We need to pretend that it isn't a problem they don't know what they're doing? First, most of them know. The actual suffering can be seen. Something of this weigh can't be done without a single knowledge of what's being done.

3- And I answered it pretty clearly. I am not important, but society is. Again, I ask: will you risk your life for a the lfie of trash? Because if a person can't be fixed in jail, and is still harming people on jail, then death is the solution to avoid society from being harmed. So, if you're not willing to risk your life, don't risk society.

4- Some stuff I believe, some I don't. We're long past forgiveness. If we learned with our mistakes, then I'd say people should be forgived. But humans barely learn. So it's too late for this.

1. I really don't understand you're logic, regardless of the numbers, suicide adds to the death toll. Therefore I'm using your logic for my argument and disagreeing with it. Bully is still a problem and causes ppl to commit suicide. That's a horrible analogy, games don't bully ppl at all. Just as playing a doctor game does not make you a certified doctor.

2. Again, please quote me to where I said we should sit around and let them keep killing/bullying


3. By this logic, bullies should be killed because they are a factor in suicide? It is endangering other humans and if they don't learn, they should be killed regardless of their age, plain and simple right?

4. Not to make this a religious thread, but God did not give us our own predilection to forgive who we want. God said forgive as God has forgiven us

 

[obito777]

Never said it was, but it's possible and I've seen ppl do it

Again, not everybody can do it. You may have seen a few exceptions and that's fine but don't let that confuse you about how reality really is

 

[HadouKage]

Again, not everybody can do it. You may have seen a few exceptions and that's fine but don't let that confuse you about how reality really is

And I never said that everyone does. I specifically pointed it out to him because he said he believes in God

 

[Javaweb]

Yes, his death is the best way to protect society. Again, you didn't read my posts. I gave 3 exemples, 3 events that happend(and still happen) taht people were in jail but caused the death of many citizens. Now, I ask you: Would these citizens have died if the criminals were dead? No, they wouldn't.
That's the whole point. Of course there are many criminals, but safety increases when one dies. When 10 die, when 1000 die. If the criminal is still dangerous iin jail(and I proved that some can be dangerous in jail), then death is the only way to protect society.

"Yes I think so I think anything that happens in life is an opportunity. A prison sentence can be a real wake up call to individuals that their life was going off track and they need to do something about it. Also there are literacy programs and spiritual programs in prison that a person might not have had access to before. While it can go either way, I do think it's possible a prison sentence can change someone's life for the better.'

"Yes, a prison sentence can be beneficial. If a person uses his time in prison reflecting on the actions that got him there and resolving to change his life upon release, prison can change that person for the better. The extended amount of time that is spent in prison, with nothing to do but read, write or think, can help a person to make realistic resolutions that will lead to life changes when they are let out of prison. The sentence can also serve as a time for the inmate to reflect on the emotional issues that have led to a life of crime, so he won't repeat the same mistakes."

"Yes. Doing time changes a person Time away from those we love changes a person. My husband was a repeat offender. We have been happily married for 11 years now. It has not been an easy road to walk. Not many will understand this. But after four years away this time, and watching the hardships I had to go through to maintain our home and family, my husband has now come out and got his act together as they say. He had a full time job within a week, is working a solid program. A world of difference from the man he was years ago. But the key is, the person has to want to change. Otherwise, he or she will continue on the path of destruction without much hope of success. The change did not come without a price, nor did the benefits come without help and support, The system is set up for failure, so the fact that the change is even possible is a miracle in itself. Whatever experience, or moment of clarity he had that changed him, I can't entirely say, but know the man that went in, is not the same as the one that came out this time. So for all the circumstances, and all the people that have helped be the catalyst for change, I thank you."

"Prison can cause people to reevaluate their lives and change themselves. Being locked up gives people a lot of time to think. Many people in prison will use that time to reevaluate their lives and the choices they have made. Not all, but many will decide to make a change for the better and avoid ever coming back to prison again. In this way, a prison sentence can change a person for the better."

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And I could bring more how jail changes people instead of taking away someone's life. If those criminals stayed in jail would those people had died? People learn from their mistakes. Like I keep on saying the more dangerous the criminal the longest they should be kept in jail and the less dangerous they should have less time but not to little

 

[Wolfus]

1. I really don't understand you're logic, regardless of the numbers, suicide adds to the death toll. Therefore I'm using your logic for my argument and disagreeing with it. Bully is still a problem and causes ppl to commit suicide. That's a horrible analogy, games don't bully ppl at all. Just as playing a doctor game does not make you a certified doctor.

2. Again, please quote me to where I said we should sit around and let them keep killing/bullying


3. By this logic, bullies should be killed because they cause suicide? It is endangering other humans and if they don't learn, they should be killed regardless of their age, plain and simple right?

4. Not to make this a religious thread, but God did not give us our own predilection to forgive who we want. God said forgive as God has forgiven us

1- No, you're not using my logic. I clearly said that the the punishment is accoring to the weight of the problem. And one way to measure that weight is with %. I never said bullying is not a problem. But it's not even close to killing a person, not even close. It would be closer if 10% of the cases cause dath, as this would be a very high number, so it bullying would be closer to killing. However, when we have 0,001%(random number for the exemple), it's a small number to equal it to killing. It's a small number to put in a close lvl. It's a small number to say that "bullying causes death", as a general rule.

1.5- The analogy wasn't bad, you just can't understand it. You said that it's still the same problem if 1/ billion dies because of bullying. If so, then gaming would be also a problem. Even though it has a smaller %, it still causes death, so it would be the same, according to your logic. That's why the % is important.

2- You're almost saying that their lack of knowledge is a reason for avoiding the punishment.

3- Again, the % is too small to put it as a rule. Again, I clearly said that the punishment is according to the weight of the problem. But it should be applied.

4-And are we being forgived? You overrate humans. You can't see our inability to learn with mistakes.

"Yes I think so I think anything that happens in life is an opportunity. A prison sentence can be a real wake up call to individuals that their life was going off track and they need to do something about it. Also there are literacy programs and spiritual programs in prison that a person might not have had access to before. While it can go either way, I do think it's possible a prison sentence can change someone's life for the better.'

"Yes, a prison sentence can be beneficial. If a person uses his time in prison reflecting on the actions that got him there and resolving to change his life upon release, prison can change that person for the better. The extended amount of time that is spent in prison, with nothing to do but read, write or think, can help a person to make realistic resolutions that will lead to life changes when they are let out of prison. The sentence can also serve as a time for the inmate to reflect on the emotional issues that have led to a life of crime, so he won't repeat the same mistakes."

"Yes. Doing time changes a person Time away from those we love changes a person. My husband was a repeat offender. We have been happily married for 11 years now. It has not been an easy road to walk. Not many will understand this. But after four years away this time, and watching the hardships I had to go through to maintain our home and family, my husband has now come out and got his act together as they say. He had a full time job within a week, is working a solid program. A world of difference from the man he was years ago. But the key is, the person has to want to change. Otherwise, he or she will continue on the path of destruction without much hope of success. The change did not come without a price, nor did the benefits come without help and support, The system is set up for failure, so the fact that the change is even possible is a miracle in itself. Whatever experience, or moment of clarity he had that changed him, I can't entirely say, but know the man that went in, is not the same as the one that came out this time. So for all the circumstances, and all the people that have helped be the catalyst for change, I thank you."

"Prison can cause people to reevaluate their lives and change themselves. Being locked up gives people a lot of time to think. Many people in prison will use that time to reevaluate their lives and the choices they have made. Not all, but many will decide to make a change for the better and avoid ever coming back to prison again. In this way, a prison sentence can change a person for the better."

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And I could bring more how jail changes people instead of taking away someone's life. If those criminals stayed in jail would those people had died? People learn from their mistakes. Like I keep on saying the more dangerous the criminal the longest they should be kept in jail and the less dangerous they should have less time but not to little

Again, people barely learn with their mistakes. Do you know how hard it is to change people's mind? Even if you show the person he is wrong, the person will still believe it doesn't matter, but he thinks he is right.
Could you please get me the % of the criminals that stood in jail and changed and compare it with the % of those who were put in jail but still harmed other citizens?

You don't understand the point. I'm not saying that if one kills, one instantly should be killed. If jail manages to fix the person, then great. We gain another citizen and lose a criminal. However, if it can't fix him, then he should stay there forever, because he is a risk. And if even in jail he still manages to harm citizens(proved in other post that it can happen), then death is the way to secure the population.

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

No disrespect to the Math Teacher but what kind of reactions from kids does America expect when they advertise *** and violence with every glimpse of the eyes

 

[Javaweb]

Again, people barely learn with their mistakes. Do you know how hard it is to change people's mind? Even if you show the person he is wrong, the person will still believe it doesn't matter, but he thinks he is right.
Could you please get me the % of the criminals that stood in jail and changed and compare it with the % of those who were put in jail but still harmed other citizens?

You don't understand the point. I'm not saying that if one kills, one instantly should be killed. If jail manages to fix the person, then great. We gain another citizen and lose a criminal. However, if it can't fix him, then he should stay there forever, because he is a risk. And if even in jail he still manages to harm citizens(proved in other post that it can happen), then death is the way to secure the population.

You tell me that people barely learn from their mistakes but can you show me the % that says that. It's impossible because there's not a % about that I could be wrong. I agree with this "then he should stay there forever, because he is a risk." but I don't understand how you could harm a citizen in jail

 

[obito777]

No disrespect to the Math Teacher but what kind of reactions from kids does America expect when they advertise *** and violence with every glimpse of the eyes

Same here, it's sad

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

I guess the kid was actually watching murder porn

 

[Wolfus]

You tell me that people barely learn from their mistakes but can you show me the % that says that. It's impossible because there's not a % about that I could be wrong. I agree with this "then he should stay there forever, because he is a risk." but I don't understand how you could harm a citizen in jail

The % is not 0, but it is to small to take the risk, and is smaller than the % of those who go to jail but commit another crime. "Here in brazil, some criminals command crimes from jails, command thug wars. Somtimes they take over the jail and kill some guards. Sometimes, they get out and kill again." These are exemples of criminals that in jail are still dangerous. In this cases, death is the only solution.

 

[Javaweb]

The % is not 0, but it is to small to take the risk, and is smaller than the % of those who go to jail but commit another crime. "Here in brazil, some criminals command crimes from jails, command thug wars. Somtimes they take over the jail and kill some guards. Sometimes, they get out and kill again." These are exemples of criminals that in jail are still dangerous. In this cases, death is the only solution.

We probably have diffeerent opinions because we live in different places. That never happened in America

 

[Wolfus]

We probably have diffeerent opinions because we live in different places. That never happened in America

You sure? Because if the danger is eliminated in jail, there is no need for killing. However, when the danger is to high that even jail can't contain it, then death is the choice to protect society. That is why there is the death sentence.

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

You sure? Because if the danger is eliminated in jail, there is no need for killing. However, when the danger is to high that even jail can't contain it, then death is the choice to protect society. That is why there is the death sentence.

You have to be really stiff it's obvious that he is being sarcastic

 

[Wolfus]

You have to be really stiff it's obvious that he is being sarcastic

I don't think so. Some people are like naruto, they think everybody can change if you talk to them.

 

[VongolaX]

Guy should go to Texas :/

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Guy should go to Texas :/

Why is that?

 

[Son Ryuto Uzumaki]

I don't think so. Some people are like naruto, they think everybody can change if you talk to them.

People can change with even the simplest talking to depending on how influential you are and the vibes you give them, it all depends on how they were raised and depending on your generation your influential development can fluctuate, and this kids is from the same generation as I, the 90's so yeah he can change and he will after a long crying from understanding what he did was wrong and he will accept the blame instead of trying to locate a scape goat like the previous generations before us

 

[Wolfus]

People can change with even the simplest talking to depending on how influential you are and the vibes you give them, it all depends on how they were raised and depending on your generation your influential development can fluctuate, and this kids is from the same generation as I, the 90's so yeah he can change and he will after a long crying from understanding what he did was wrong and he will accept the blame instead of trying to locate a scape goat like the previous generations before us

It's very hard to change people. It's very hard for a human to accept he/she is wrong, to acknowledge his/her mistake. In rare ocasions we can change a person's mind to show he/she was wrong when it's about ethics and morals. And let's not forget that like to be wrong.