Hidan vs SPoP

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Nope, some are better than others
Does not correlate. Some being better than others does not contradict what I said to fulfill your refutation


why do you assume they travel in pairs
Does not correlate to the discussion

Mixed up your replies?

If not, I did not say anything about them travelling in pairs and even if I did we have seen them travel thusly


All are strategic but some are on a different hierarchy
Debatable, but even besides that it does not contradict what I said.



the fact obito chose Nagato to lead from the shadows is textbook definition he was the most qualified and dangerous (he had the fucking rinnegan?) and was mentally stable enough to keep the entire akatsuki in check.
Obito making a choice is a reflection on his own opinions

Obito may not even have been the one to choose Nagaro, as Madara implanted the Rinnegan in him
The Rinnegan is not a mark of strategic ability . . .
We are not talking about keeping the group in check, we are talking about battle strategy
Even so, power dictates that, not battle tactics

These points simply do not correlate to the discussion


As for other examples provided, they are just red herrings, to simply extend the debate more than necessary
Care to prove it?


Which occurred off-screen have little to no information other than hyperbolic claims
We also have their battle powers which would have forced Sasori to strategise as a result of being hard countered

We also have Sasori using an inherently tactical fighting style in puppetry
We also have Sasori being showcased as a tactician in his battle against Chiyo and Sakura
We also have Sasori being showcases as a tactician with the usage of spies
We also have Sasori tactically choosing his puppets for his collection
We also have Sasori being a user of formations in battle

We have much more than just hyperbolic claims

Speaking of which, which claims were made which are proven to be hyperbolic? Otherwise you are yet again saying something that does not correlate to this discussion


So did hebi sasuke
When did Hebi Sasuke infiltrate the Hidden Cloud?

Was it during a high alert war time?
Was it through tricking a sensor in the Eight Tails Host?
Did it get him key information for their own worst enemy?

This point showcases massive lack of contextual understanding. Not only the point, but even the details of it.


Everything you said either does not even relate to what we are talking about, does not disagree with my own points or is unproven. Having taken the time to already answer such with thorugh points on both intelligence and powers, I expect to at least proceed with those points taken into account.
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Please understand the difference between making a point and stating your beliefs.
 
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Does not correlate. Some being better than others does not contradict what I said to fulfill your refutation
What type of circular reasoning is that? There is a reason hierarchies exist my man

Does not correlate to the discussion
It really does, considering their entire method of function. Even if you wanna go via anecdotes most dumber pairs are paired up with a smarter akatsuki (also personalities) mostly I reckon for balance, kakazu and hidan themselves are a prime example of this throughout what we've seen. Kakazu is clearly far far more experienced. I'd wager the same for nagato

Even so, power dictates that, not battle tactics
Agreed, and he gets extremely destroyed by the paths in DC plus speed.

For the hebi sasuke point, there is lack of context on my part I agree, so my apologies, since Sasuke did receive info from obito himself, so infiltrating shouldn't have been difficult, again, circumstantial, regardless S ranked nins should have no issue with infiltration at all.

The other point to be noted is nagato himself is a master at counter reconnaissance (his rain infused chakra) and his ability to figure out konohas barrier restrictions easily.

We also have Sasori using an inherently tactical fighting style in puppetry
We also have Sasori being showcased as a tactician in his battle against Chiyo and Sakura
We also have Sasori being showcases as a tactician with the usage of spies
We also have Sasori tactically choosing his puppets for his collection
We also have Sasori being a user of formations in battle
The point remains the same, the third kazekage shit was off screen, hence making it an outlier
 
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What type of circular reasoning is that? There is a reason hierarchies exist my man
What circular reasoning? I never said they all the exact same level. I ended my post by pointing out that Nagato and Itachi showed weaker cases than the others. That means they are at different levels relative to each other.

You are continuously saying things that do not follow the discussion and making statements without proof.


really does, considering their entire method of function. Even if you wanna go via anecdotes most dumber pairs are paired up with a smarter akatsuki (also personalities) mostly I reckon for balance, kakazu and hidan themselves are a prime example of this throughout what we've seen. Kakazu is clearly far far more experienced. I'd wager the same for nagato
I can easily accept the general idea . . .

We are specifically told that Kakuzu and Hidan comes down to the immortality thing, so it cleary fails here.

Again, we know Nagato and Konan are equals in experience, with Konan having showings implying her intellectual superiority between them.

So it simply does not work here. Even if it did, that would relate to their pairs. Nagato and Hidan are not in the same pair so . . .

And even if that was not the case, we are talking battle intelligence not general experience/temperament.


Agreed, and he gets extremely destroyed by the paths in DC plus speed.
Not only have I already addressed this, but you have not proved your side.


For the hebi sasuke point, there is lack of context on my part I agree, so my apologies, since Sasuke did receive info from obito himself, so infiltrating shouldn't have been difficult, again, circumstantial, regardless S ranked nins should have no issue with infiltration at all.
Ahh, that was MS Sasuke.

Your very example shows an S-rank needing help from an information specialist . . .

Nonetheless, the point was that relative to EACH OTHER, some Akatsuki are better. It is actually the very first point you are debating here.


The other point to be noted is nagato himself is a master at counter reconnaissance (his rain infused chakra) and his ability to figure out konohas barrier restrictions easily.
That comes dowb to the tools he has, not his own skill with them.

Of course skill is involved, but we are talking relatively here.


The point remains the same, the third kazekage shit was off screen, hence making it an outlier
And it is directly refuted.

Even if it was not, something being off-screen does not make it contradictory, which is what you need to proclaim an outlier



Please understand the difference between making a point and stating your beliefs
Having taken the time to already answer such with thorugh points on both intelligence and powers, I expect to at least proceed with those points taken into account.
Everything you said either does not even relate to what we are talking about, does not disagree with my own points or is unproven
. . .

This is the second time I have had to quote myself and this time it is the very post you are supposed to be replying to! If we will proceed, this is not how we will do it.
 
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