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To be principled about beliefs and to believe in principles . . .

Round 1: No Knowledge

Round 2: Full Knowledge

Round 3: All Out War
They are the only intelligent residents of Naruto world, everyone else has dissapeared
They both start in their desired locations within the world of Naruto
They have full knowledge on each other
They have a full month to prepare
At the end of the month, they may begin fighting
The battle ends when one side is completely destroyed

All other conditions fair.

What say you?
 

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I thought this said Sage of Six Paths at first, was going to ask how insane you were lmao... But nah I think 6pop takes all rounds. Nagato is too intelligent and would catch on to Hidan's nonsense quickly. He would pick up on his immortal gimmick as well within due time because he is bound to hit him with a lethal technique at some point in all rounds and without Hidan being able to die, he would pick up on it easily I find as his IQ was clearly displayed while edo in the ending war arc. On top of this, Hidan needs blood to perform his rituals. And none of the bodies have any blood. They're dead corpses to have been shown not to have blood when struck by something that would logically cause a human to bleed. So his entire gameplan is destroyed. There's nothing Hidan can logically do her to win much less survive by any fighting means. Nagato beats him in IQ, CQC since Hidan has not real fighting style, its just swinging things recklessly as him not being able to die made him clearly careless and I actually thinks he likes it this way, Nagato outdoes him in sheer amount of techniques and power alone. This is a wash on all fronts.
 
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I think the six takes it in all rounds
Nagato vs Hidan? Lol Nagato wins low diff
I thought this said Sage of Six Paths at first, was going to ask how insane you were lmao... But nah I think 6pop takes all rounds. Nagato is too intelligent and would catch on to Hidan's nonsense quickly. He would pick up on his immortal gimmick as well within due time because he is bound to hit him with a lethal technique at some point in all rounds and without Hidan being able to die, he would pick up on it easily I find as his IQ was clearly displayed while edo in the ending war arc. On top of this, Hidan needs blood to perform his rituals. And none of the bodies have any blood. They're dead corpses to have been shown not to have blood when struck by something that would logically cause a human to bleed. So his entire gameplan is destroyed. There's nothing Hidan can logically do her to win much less survive by any fighting means. Nagato beats him in IQ, CQC since Hidan has not real fighting style, its just swinging things recklessly as him not being able to die made him clearly careless and I actually thinks he likes it this way, Nagato outdoes him in sheer amount of techniques and power alone. This is a wash on all fronts.
Two parts here - intelligence and abilities

In intelligence, it seems like Shikamaru barely figured it out with backup (like Izumo and Kotetsu landing the first strike) against Hidan messing around. To me, Nagato being close to Shikamaru is not a problem, but to figure out Hidan who is serious without any of the benefits Shikamaru had requires him to either specialise in intelligence or be very far ahead of Shikamaru in that regard. I need evidence of that. Nagato is the dominant type who does not bother figuring out most opponents but rather just smashing them. Of course this only applies in Round 1.

Then on the side of Hidan, I fail to see why he would mess around with an opponent on his own level. Even if he was someone who jokes around dangerously, it was made clear that he did not respect Shikamaru . . . Against an opponent he actually respects, why would he not fight cautiously, using defensive tactics like playing possum as Tsunade did against reanimated Madara? He actually showcased this against Yugito, recognizing the threat of her attacks and dodging etc.

Overall, I struggle with Nagato being so immensely intelligent while Hidan is so immensely stupid when they both have showings doing the opposite in circumstances such as this.


Then to capabilities, everyone is saying Nagato just does things . . .
We have been shown that even a genin like Konohamaru (against Nagato, ironically) can break all trends with fitting circumstances, so the idea of things simply happening without reason fails on me. This especially because Hidan has the showings of being capable even with his own authors practically against him (his arc being rushed).

The other side of this is Hidan being capable of nothing at all. Even if the bodies have no blood, they can still be taken by purely physical attacks.

Going more into his powers, immortality allows him to play a game of endurance (as implied against Yugito) against genuinely anyone. With his speed, separating the paths should be easy considering they suffered that strategy against a Jiraiya Nagato immensely respects and was actively cautious against.

The only other way for Nagato to have it easy here is if he could blitz or overpower Hidan. With Hidan being victorious against a Yugito who is even faster than Killer B in open combat while the paths have a top speed similar to V2 Raikage, Hidan has the advantage there. While I disagree, Kakashi saying that simple knowledge of the paths allows a normal person to counter them makes the idea of them working casually against an immortal faulty.


All this is well represented in the fight against Yugito. In terms of intelligence, Yugito showcased to apply that more than Nagato and yet that was not enough against Hidan and his "gimmick". If anything, she looked confused at the end. In terms of abilities, a monster with swords for claws and living explosives is one of the best combos for taking down Hidan, yet it failed. Accounting for it that she had both those advantages over Nagato and still lost, I struggle to see him having anything close to an easy time.
 

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Two parts here - intelligence and abilities

In intelligence, it seems like Shikamaru barely figured it out with backup (like Izumo and Kotetsu landing the first strike) against Hidan messing around. To me, Nagato being close to Shikamaru is not a problem, but to figure out Hidan who is serious without any of the benefits Shikamaru had requires him to either specialise in intelligence or be very far ahead of Shikamaru in that regard. I need evidence of that. Nagato is the dominant type who does not bother figuring out most opponents but rather just smashing them. Of course this only applies in Round 1.

Then on the side of Hidan, I fail to see why he would mess around with an opponent on his own level. Even if he was someone who jokes around dangerously, it was made clear that he did not respect Shikamaru . . . Against an opponent he actually respects, why would he not fight cautiously, using defensive tactics like playing possum as Tsunade did against reanimated Madara? He actually showcased this against Yugito, recognizing the threat of her attacks and dodging etc.

Overall, I struggle with Nagato being so immensely intelligent while Hidan is so immensely stupid when they both have showings doing the opposite in circumstances such as this.


Then to capabilities, everyone is saying Nagato just does things . . . We have been shown that even a genin like Konohamaru (against Nagato, ironically) can break all trends with fitting circumstances, so the idea of things simply happening without reason fails on me. This especially because Hidan has the showings of being capable even with his own authors practically against him (his arc being rushed).

The other side of this is Hidan being capable of nothing at all. Even if the bodies have no blood, they can still be taken by purely physical attacks.

Going more into his powers, immortality allows him to play a game of endurance (as implied against Yugito) against genuinely anyone. With his speed, separating the paths should be easy considering they suffered that strategy against a Jiraiya Nagato immensely respects and was actively cautious against.

The only other way for Nagato to have it easy here is if he could blitz or overpower Hidan. With Hidan being victorious against a Yugito who is even faster than Killer B in open combat while the paths have a top speed similar to V2 Raikage, Hidan has the advantage there. While I disagree, Kakashi saying that simple knowledge of the paths allows a normal person to counter them makes the idea of them working casually against an immortal faulty.


All this is well represented in the fight against Yugito. In terms of intelligence, Yugito showcased to apply that more than Nagato and yet that was not enough against Hidan and his "gimmick". If anything, she looked confused at the end. In terms of abilities, a monster with swords for claws and living explosives is one of the best combos for taking down Hidan, yet it failed. Accounting for it that she had both those advantages over Nagato and still lost, I struggle to see him having anything close to an easy time.
The only way Hidan can win is with his speed if he can cut Nagato
 

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The only way Hidan can win is with his speed if he can cut Nagato
Why not outlast? He is literally immortal and without moulding any, the paths cannot absorb composite energy from him.

Why not outsmart? He displayed healthy caution against Yugito and even besides that was a capable Jonin before gaining his immortality.

Of course speed is needed as no action takes place without it, but it need not be massively greater than that of the paths as he can land hits in continuous exchange and surprise attacks.
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Do you consider the paths as having blood?
 

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Why not outlast? He is literally immortal and without moulding any, the paths cannot absorb composite energy from him.

Why not outsmart? He displayed healthy caution against Yugito and even besides that was a capable Jonin before gaining his immortality.

Of course speed is needed as no action takes place without it, but it need not be massively greater than that of the paths as he can land hits in continuous exchange and surprise attacks.
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Do you consider the paths as having blood?
The only problem here is Nagato got so many jutsu at his disposal + he even got his summonings, something that Hidan cannot fight
 

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The only problem here is Nagato got so many jutsu at his disposal + he even got his summonings, something that Hidan cannot fight
Why not?

The advantage of being immortal - an absolute designation - is being able to take many things. The powers of Nagato must be proven to be able to take down Hidan, not the other way around.

Hidan also has the advantage of only needing to kill the bodies of the paths, not directly overpower their powers. Again, I do not think he could have done it himself but Kakashi made this point during the 4th War against Obito.
 

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This is haguromo vs hidan right
im just confused how this would even be a fight, Haguromo has one of the best feats in the known series creating the moon what does hidan have beating yugito impressive yea but not even on the same tier
 

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This is haguromo vs hidan right
im just confused how this would even be a fight, Haguromo has one of the best feats in the known series creating the moon what does hidan have beating yugito impressive yea but not even on the same tier
Why would it be Hagaromo?

At least read up on the replies so far ...
 

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You'd really have to restrict Human Path for Hidan to stand a chance. The first thought Pain/Nagato's gonna have after realizing he can't simply be killed off is to just yeet his life force out.
 

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Cause. he's known as the rikdou sennin
Pain is just called rikdou pein.
Title says SPoP, not SoSP


You'd really have to restrict Human Path for Hidan to stand a chance. The first thought Pain/Nagato's gonna have after realizing he can't simply be killed off is to just yeet his life force out.
Sure, but even assuming that would work on Hidan, how would he achieve it?
 

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If i'm reading it correctly you stated they both have knowledge on one another? If so I see no reasonable way hidan wins even without preparation I gave up vsbatles long ago (just do them with friends now for fun)

Nagato is one of the most battle strategic out of the akatsuki (not counting itachi) that, on top of speed feats and the fact an exhausted nagato with his deva path alone could go toe to toe with Mastered SM naruto and was able to suppress the kyuubi to some extent

Destrucitve power and speed: Six paths of pain demolish hidan (dude got paper bombed into a hole lol)
Intellect: Hidan is extremely stupid loooool he hilariously outsmarts him plus his abilites are less complex to figure out compared to the paths

The outcome is probably gonna be liveleak esque graphic in this case, his receivers will literally incapacitate him

I wonder what other ludicrous ideas people will come up with debates (baryon mode naruto cannot break domu dahtabhook faxx)
 
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If i'm reading it correctly you stated they both have knowledge on one another? If so I see no reasonable way hidan wins even without preparation I gave up vsbatles long ago (just do them with friends now for fun)

Nagato is one of the most battle strategic out of the akatsuki (not counting itachi) that, on top of speed feats and the fact an exhausted nagato with his deva path alone could go toe to toe with Mastered SM naruto and was able to suppress the kyuubi to some extent

Destrucitve power and speed: Six paths of pain demolish hidan (dude got paper bombed into a hole lol)
Intellect: Hidan is extremely stupid loooool he hilariously outsmarts him plus his abilites are less complex to figure out compared to the paths

The outcome is probably gonna be liveleak esque graphic in this case, his receivers will literally incapacitate him

I wonder what other ludicrous ideas people will come up with debates (baryon mode naruto cannot break domu dahtabhook faxx)
Two parts here - intelligence and abilities

In intelligence, it seems like Shikamaru barely figured it out with backup (like Izumo and Kotetsu landing the first strike) against Hidan messing around. To me, Nagato being close to Shikamaru is not a problem, but to figure out Hidan who is serious without any of the benefits Shikamaru had requires him to either specialise in intelligence or be very far ahead of Shikamaru in that regard. I need evidence of that. Nagato is the dominant type who does not bother figuring out most opponents but rather just smashing them. Of course this only applies in Round 1.

Then on the side of Hidan, I fail to see why he would mess around with an opponent on his own level. Even if he was someone who jokes around dangerously, it was made clear that he did not respect Shikamaru . . . Against an opponent he actually respects, why would he not fight cautiously, using defensive tactics like playing possum as Tsunade did against reanimated Madara? He actually showcased this against Yugito, recognizing the threat of her attacks and dodging etc.

Overall, I struggle with Nagato being so immensely intelligent while Hidan is so immensely stupid when they both have showings doing the opposite in circumstances such as this.


Then to capabilities, everyone is saying Nagato just does things . . . We have been shown that even a genin like Konohamaru (against Nagato, ironically) can break all trends with fitting circumstances, so the idea of things simply happening without reason fails on me. This especially because Hidan has the showings of being capable even with his own authors practically against him (his arc being rushed).

The other side of this is Hidan being capable of nothing at all. Even if the bodies have no blood, they can still be taken by purely physical attacks.

Going more into his powers, immortality allows him to play a game of endurance (as implied against Yugito) against genuinely anyone. With his speed, separating the paths should be easy considering they suffered that strategy against a Jiraiya Nagato immensely respects and was actively cautious against.

The only other way for Nagato to have it easy here is if he could blitz or overpower Hidan. With Hidan being victorious against a Yugito who is even faster than Killer B in open combat while the paths have a top speed similar to V2 Raikage, Hidan has the advantage there. While I disagree, Kakashi saying that simple knowledge of the paths allows a normal person to counter them makes the idea of them working casually against an immortal faulty.


All this is well represented in the fight against Yugito. In terms of intelligence, Yugito showcased to apply that more than Nagato and yet that was not enough against Hidan and his "gimmick". If anything, she looked confused at the end. In terms of abilities, a monster with swords for claws and living explosives is one of the best combos for taking down Hidan, yet it failed. Accounting for it that she had both those advantages over Nagato and still lost, I struggle to see him having anything close to an easy time.
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Nagato is one of the most battle strategic out of the akatsuki (not counting itachi)
You say?

Hidan showcased in-battle, untrained, strategy against Yugito and Asuma
Kakuzu did the same against a team including Shikamaru, Kakashi and two Hidden Technique users
Sasori successfully planned against the 3rd Kazekage who is his worst counter
Deidara showcased strategy and tactics against Gaara in his own house
Obito runs the group in the background
Itachi toyed with Sasuke
Nagato hid his secret
Zetsu are the information agents of the group
Konan defeated both warping and the energy vision of the Sharingan
Kisame inflitrated the Cloud

EVERYONE IN AKATSUKI IS A STRATEGIST AND HIGH LEVEL SHINOBI

If anything, out of all of their showings, Nagato relying on pre-set strategies from his powers and Itachi toying with an emotional Sasuke, who is already the weakeat opponent of the lot, are the weakest showings of in-battle intelligence in the group. Obviously those are still impressive things . . .
 
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EVERYONE IN AKATSUKI IS A STRATEGIST AND HIGH LEVEL SHINOBI
Nope, some are better than others, why do you assume they travel in pairs? All are strategic but some are on a different hierarchy the fact obito chose Nagato to lead from the shadows is textbook definition he was the most qualified and dangerous (he had the fucking rinnegan?) and was mentally stable enough to keep the entire akatsuki in check.

As for other examples provided, they are just red herrings, to simply extend the debate more than necessary. Because there are variable factors, circumstantial, situational, and more, in all scenarios the Six paths obliterate him, badly, like seiner tier badly.

Sasori successfully planned against the 3rd Kazekage who is his worst counter
Which occurred off-screen have little to no information other than hyperbolic claims


Kisame inflitrated the Cloud
So did hebi sasuke. Literally, everyone does at this point it just changed to konoha recently
 
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