[VS] Hiashi vs Madara(RC)

[TheEvilOne]

Since he absorbed the Juubi. Also, Kakashi is low Kage level, fool. That, and that "fight" was infected with plot.

OT: Don't know what RC means, Madara wins.

Indeed, with the Kamui is he is low Kage level. But without it he isn't stronger then Zabuza.

 

[xxSasukEkUnxX]

Indeed, with the Kamui is he is low Kage level. But without it he isn't stronger then Zabuza.

With kamui he is low-god. Quit wanking the uchiha. Without kamui, he is low kage. Faster than V2 bijuu and can cut their arms off easily and 1000+ jutsu copied. If you honestly think with kamui he is low kage, reevaluate the manga and quit wanking and hating, thanks.

 

[Bogard]

The vacuum will not be a threat for Madara, seeing that Kisame remained unaffected too [

You must be registered for see links

]. You should rather insist on what Manga scans display instead of alluding on the Naruto Wikia, which is composed by fans.

Lol @comparing Neji's fodder version of vacuum to Hiashi's to fabricate a sort of counter to Madara when i clearly showed how Neji's vacuum is nothing to compared to Hiashi's that even blowed up Jubi's tail comparable to a Bijuu like Hachibi in size. Also didn't you see the reference of my narutopedia link? All that is stated from the databook, so it's valid. It's only that i can't show you databook links from narutoforums since they are forbidden

Hiashi also didn't outlast that Mokuton technique. He admitted there would be too many [

You must be registered for see links

] like Neji did [

You must be registered for see links

] and was later killed as he wasn't able to continue spinning.

*Sigh* You didn't understand at all. He said it was too many for someone like Neji or Hinata, not for him, something even clearer with the *********** version

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

That clearly implies that if it was Hiashi he could have countered them

The rotation is not a constant movement but can only be kept up for a certain moment before the user has to repeat it.

Spoiler

You must be registered for see images

As you can see, the rotation remains a short time before he repeats it, what Kidomaru used to his advantage. Neji said he couldn't avoid all of these pales as he couldn't spin fast enough. It appears to be the same with that Katon if not worse. This massive scaled Katon creates a continuous stream of flames which will affect Hiashi straightaway after the rotation stopped.

Not at all. The difference between Kidomaru's attack and Madara's katons i already made them on my earlier post. Kidomaru used the number in order to take advantage over Neji's attack. It exactly worked like the Chou Mokuton sashiki example, something that Madara's katon can't for the reason i already stated:

Once again, Katon are only incoming attacks in the contrary of Chou Mokuton sashiki attack that was spammable, it would only traverse during a certain moment.




Look carefully at the pic where Juubi, Madara and Obito launched their attack:

You must be registered for see links

*




Look at the bottom particularly. We read the manga from right through left. Bottom right panel we see the group unbalanced(due to Juubi's attack), so at that point, the Katons didn't reach.




Bottom right middle panel, the katons still didn't reach but was close to it. The katons finally reached bottom left middle panel where we see the alliance protected by Naruto's cloak.




And bottom left panel we see Madara and Obito prepared to launch other attacks, that we see on the page later:

You must be registered for see links

On the same page(bottom), notice that the katons just seems to have traverse the alliance. That means the katons didn't last that long on them. The moment it touched the alliance, it travelled very fast to pass through them. That's the process of katon technique




The katon despite impressive in size is only an incoming attack that travels very fast from one point to another, not a spammable attack like Chou Mokuton sashiki that Hiashi countered during a great while to save the alliance

Though these pales where spammed, they still left enough space for one to act and react without continuous defense [

You must be registered for see links

][

You must be registered for see links

]. As for Madara's Katon, they needed continuous defense for the whole period of the flames flowing, as any canceling of the cloaks would have affected them immediately.

The capacity to dodge Sashiki isn't my point so i don't understand why you bring this. My point consider the duration of the technique, and it's the duration of the technique that totally outclasses Madara's katons. And since Hiashi maintained his kaiten long enough to counter a technique that last much longer than Madara's katons, he would have no problem to counter Madara's. It's as simple as that

The flame is so massive that it does not only remain for a longer period (than a Hyuga can spin per rotation), the impact itself takes away a humans footing and sweeps him away. It is safe to say that the rotation will not prevent Hiashi from being roasted.

Joking right? Where does size matters against Hiashi's level of rotation when he can block Juubi's palms? The duration of the technique is the only thing that matters and since it doesn't last long on someone it would do nothing to Hiashi

As for the Genjutsus, it is always the same with those who just can't acknowledge their power. It is always said that the respective opponent of an Uchiha is very well aware of the Sharingan, is experienced in some way and a leader or high ranked Shinobi. All this is hype however, a lot of Shinobi already felt for the Sharingan's Genjutsu, whether they were aware or not. The Byakugan also doesn't have sensing abilities in the way you claim (detecting killing intent), it is just that his brother possesses a seal on his head which allowed Hiashi to react by his brother's Byakugan activating, what is counted as killing intend. Hiashi has no counter for Madara's Genjutsu. Even Sharingan user fall for it if they don't possess enough skills to see through it. The more skilled Uchiha however are enabled to see through illusions, but for the reason that their eyes have the explicit ability to do so, not all Doujutsus.

GG.

Yeah that's why you people give auto wins depending on your feelings now even when we have not seen how each character in this manga can counter a genjutsu or not. 10yo inexperimented Deidara? A reckless Orochimaru(who could have still countered it btw)? Inexperimented Naruto? These are the people you take as reference to make people think that no matter the opponent, genjutsu will be an issue in the fight? Yeah an outsider fodder Byakugan user like Ao survived a fight with no noticeable injuries against the greatest genjutsu user in the Uchiha clan(Shisui), right?

If he enters close range, he would be in the radius of Hiashi's rotation, so he would be fodderised in this case

You must be registered for see images

Furthermore if Ao's fodder Byakugan could see through high level genjutsus without problems, i have no doubt that Hiashi's Byakugan could as easily if not even more:

You must be registered for see links

Not even mentioning the fact that obviously IC attitude are forgotten here since Madara despite having strong genjutsus himself rarely relies on them in a fight. Not as if it would even matter anyway for the reason stated above

 

[Murasame]

With kamui he is low-god. Quit wanking the uchiha. Without kamui, he is low kage. Faster than V2 bijuu and can cut their arms off easily and 1000+ jutsu copied. If you honestly think with kamui he is low kage, reevaluate the manga and quit wanking and hating, thanks.

He is low god? I think you over exaggerated a bit too much don't you think?

Anyways OT: Again Bogard you simply amaze me *_* I wasn't so sure about Hiashi winning but now I think he does.

 

[Bogard]

Since he absorbed the Juubi. Also, Kakashi is low Kage level, fool. That, and that "fight" was infected with plot.

OT: Don't know what RC means, Madara wins.

RC = Read conditions. Thanks for your opinion anyway

He is low god? I think you over exaggerated a bit too much don't you think?

Anyways OT: Again Bogard you simply amaze me *_* I wasn't so sure about Hiashi winning but now I think he does.

Haha thanks for the compliment Lol. You make me

 

[Murasame]

RC = Read conditions. Thanks for your opinion anyway

Haha thanks for the compliment Lol. You make me

You're welcome Sir Bogard U_U

 

[Strict]

Just to your Genjutsu part, Bogard. The Genjutsus of the Sharingan are supposed to be the strongest. Jiraiya's advice in a fight with an experienced Genjutsu uses (at least on the level of an Uchiha) is to run away unless you do not have an ally who frees you. Any fight against the Genjutsu of the Sharingan display their first-class power, since no one so far was able to break through them successfully. Whether it was Deidara or the experienced Orochimaru with a score in Genjutsu of 5, the experienced Genjutsu user Shee or A himself, in the end all of them fail for the Sharingan's Genjutsu, former two had already major difficulties in handling the Genjutsu of the 3T Sharingan and obviously, Orochimaru failed. Despite he hardly managed to move his arms during the effect of Itachi's Genjutsu, he had no chance to avoid any attack of him. So why should we attribute to Hiashi such a feat when in contrast, no one showed a way or the strength to outgo the Sharingan's Genjutsus? Ao is obviously not a factor here as he was not the one to be in a Genjutsu but noticed Kotoamatsukami's usage on Mifune by watching his Chakra system, which is always manipulated by a Genjutsu.

In another thread you once came up with a statement of Jiraiya being able to counter Itachi's Genjutsu, as he freed another person from a Genjutsu Itachi cast upon, like you can't distinguish between breaking a Genjutsu you are caught in and freeing another being by simply interrupting his Chakra flow. It is either that you have a fundamental wrong understanding of Genjutsu (or probably Uchiha techniques as a whole) or mean to convince with false matters as there is no way to do it more authentic.

 

[Murasame]

Just to your Genjutsu part, Bogard. The Genjutsus of the Sharingan are supposed to be the strongest. Jiraiya's advice in a fight with an experienced Genjutsu uses (at least on the level of an Uchiha) is to run away unless you do not have an ally who frees you. Any fight against the Genjutsu of the Sharingan display their first-class power, since no one so far was able to break through them successfully. Whether it was Deidara or the experienced Orochimaru with a score in Genjutsu of 5, the experienced Genjutsu user Shee or A himself, in the end all of them fail for the Sharingan's Genjutsu, former two had already major difficulties in handling the Genjutsu of the 3T Sharingan and obviously, Orochimaru failed. Despite he hardly managed to move his arms during the effect of Itachi's Genjutsu, he had no chance to avoid any attack of him. So why should we attribute to Hiashi such a feat when in contrast, no one showed a way or the strength to outgo the Sharingan's Genjutsus? Ao is obviously not a factor here as he was not the one to be in a Genjutsu but noticed Kotoamatsukami's usage on Mifune by watching his Chakra system, which is always manipulated by a Genjutsu.

In another thread you once came up with a statement of Jiraiya being able to counter Itachi's Genjutsu, as he freed another person from a Genjutsu Itachi cast upon, like you can't distinguish between breaking a Genjutsu you are caught in and freeing another being by simply interrupting his Chakra flow. It is either that you have a fundamental wrong understanding of Genjutsu (or probably Uchiha techniques as a whole) or mean to convince with false matters as there is no way to do it more authentic.

If memory serves me right didn't Ao say he recognized that it was KA because of his past battle with Shishui? That most likely implies that he was caught under his genjutsu and used the Byakugan to break out of it. Also to elaborate on the other points of your post but Orochimaru was going to break out Itachi's genjutsu hadn't Itachi intervened and severed his hand. Also the Deidara you refer to was when he first fought Itachi, he then spent the next years to train his eye to combat genjutsu to get revenge on Itachi.. correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sasuke use genjutsu that Deidara saw through? Kurenai also broke out of a genjutsu that Itachi reversed on her.. I think someone who is an experienced Byakugan user should be able to resist/break out of a genjutsu especially of Hiashi's caliber.. anyways I'm not to much knowledgeable on this subject so correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Zexion~]

Does Madara have his bad-ass fan?

 

[adeshina365]

Madara stomps with low difficulty.

Another silly thread from Bogard.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

this is absurd. madara was a prodigy from the beginning. his warfan and katon is more than enough

 

[Unorthodox]

Madara wins low diff katon stops him from getting close if he manages to get close Gunbai barrier sends his ass flying

ALSO F**K BOGARD

 

[miromiro]

Was going to say Hashirama, but it was Hiashi not Hashi.
Madara wins this easily.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Hiashi wins this quite easily. Katons are countered with Kaiten. CQC Madara loses to constant Jukens hitting him. Eight Trigrams 64 palms ends this with no difficulty. Juubi sized

You must be registered for see links

annihilates Madara. I see no way in which Madara can win Hiashi. Byakugan will see through any genjutsu and any jutsu used by Madara and counter it without much difficulty when you are at Hiashi's level of fighting. Anyone who thinks Madara wins is simply riding Madara too hard.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Hiashi wins this quite easily. Katons are countered with Kaiten. CQC Madara loses to constant Jukens hitting him. Eight Trigrams 64 palms ends this with no difficulty. Juubi sized

You must be registered for see links

annihilates Madara. I see no way in which Madara can win Hiashi. Byakugan will see through any genjutsu and any jutsu used by Madara and counter it without much difficulty when you are at Hiashi's level of fighting. Anyone who thinks Madara wins is simply riding Madara too hard.

Katons are countered with Kaiten????
hahahahahahahaXDXD

You must be registered for see images

gg hiashi and his puny kaiten.

 

[Touken]

lol, it's CQC. Madara isn't going to get the distance to launch such a massive scaled Katon. He's going to be using smaller Katon techs such as what he did against the Gokage and those techs are easily countered by Kaiten.

 

[Uchihareborn207]

lol, it's CQC. Madara isn't going to get the distance to launch such a massive scaled Katon. He's going to be using smaller Katon techs such as what he did against the Gokage and those techs are easily countered by Kaiten.

what?
kaiten can't counter katon gouka mekkyaku no jutsu because the intensity of the flame would burn the chakra and the user and even if the kaiten manage to tank it madara would just keep the jutsu on going until the hyuuga gets annihilated .(hiashi cannot rotate forever)

madara takes this low diff.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Katons are countered with Kaiten????
hahahahahahahaXDXD

You must be registered for see images

gg hiashi and his puny kaiten.

Unless you are suggesting the heat is high enough to melt through the chakra, I don't see your point. Pouring x quantity of fire onto something that can only be affected by x quantity would mean x quantity cannot be affected by y quantity, which is larger than x. It is like saying pouring 0.1 mL of water on a gram of steel will vary when pouring 100L on the piece of steel. More so, the final effect on Kaiten will be effected even less since fire is gaseous thus has a small mass, in contrast to the water which would heavily weigh more. Anyways, the Kaiten can be seen as the gram of steel and the first fire can engulf the entire Kaiten, but doesn't beat it (regular fireball jutsu). Than Madara's Juubi sized fire ball is used. What is the difference? Nothing, because it cannot effect the Kaiten in any other way considering its mass won't be much larger, nor will its heat be.

More so, this is CQC as Touken said. Madara is in no way using such a large Katon. Anyways, Juubi sized Vacuum palm repels the Katon with ease since shockwaves would pack a much stronger directional force behind them.
I guess Hahahahah at you this time for never having passed 6th grade logical thinking?

 

[Uchihareborn207]

Unless you are suggesting the heat is high enough to melt through the chakra, I don't see your point. Pouring x quantity of fire onto something that can only be affected by x quantity would mean x quantity cannot be affected by y quantity, which is larger than x. It is like saying pouring 0.1 mL of water on a gram of steel will vary when pouring 100L on the piece of steel. More so, the final effect on Kaiten will be effected even less since fire is gaseous thus has a small mass, in contrast to the water which would heavily weigh more. Anyways, the Kaiten can be seen as the gram of steel and the first fire can engulf the entire Kaiten, but doesn't beat it (regular fireball jutsu). Than Madara's Juubi sized fire ball is used. What is the difference? Nothing, because it cannot effect the Kaiten in any other way considering its mass won't be much larger, nor will its heat be.

More so, this is CQC as Touken said. Madara is in no way using such a large Katon. Anyways, Juubi sized Vacuum palm repels the Katon with ease since shockwaves would pack a much stronger directional force behind them.
I guess Hahahahah at you this time for never having passed 6th grade logical thinking?

1.yes , that is exactly what am suggesting. katon gouka mekkyaku no jutsu will burn the chakra and then kill the hyuuga.
2. what you are no getting is that madara's katon have both quantity and quality.
3.the difference is the heat of those flames .
4. enough heat will burn the chakra we already have seen amaterasu doing that .
5.throw a shockwave into that katon you will have hell on earth and since madara is the one controlling the fire it wont be used against him.

 

[Joshutsu]

Unfortunately hyuga's suck. Madara is to beastly for him.