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False bro, False Sasuke 2t never read it. That's proof. DB gave Lee higher speed and Taijutsu even with no powerups. Bro you said it yourself "physical" reaction which is obviously under taijutsu. Let's not forget something, Lee said "Back then" and then says you have the same body speed I "had". He fought Sasuke with his weights on. So he's referring to his body speed when they fought. If not, he would have said "have" and Kakashi even said Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu during their experience. .
Sure Sasuke's 2 tomoe read it, you can clearly see that on the next page where lee says that Sasuke thought lee was using a ninjutsu or genjutsu to get past his defenses, thus since his sharingan didn't see a nin or genjutsu, he thought to himself that his sharingan didn't read it.
Physical reactions can't be under taijutsu because Sasuke gains the same physical speed as lee, yet he still scores an entire tier below lee.

Don't waste my time. Lee clearly was talking about his base starting speed without weights as
Sasuke copied lee's taijutsu moves, he had to train his body in order to gain lee's weightless body speed.

And Lol I never said he made a decision to slow down. Why would he? Lol. Anyways I countered with proof already as shown with his headband and him stopping in the next scan
Oh if he's not making the decision to slow down, then obviously he's slowing down because the force of the hits of the mokuton spears. He stopped once he slowed enough that the spears got through since it would be pointless to continue spinning.

Lol false. The link I gave you shows he was using kaiten but it was stoping so it altered its movement. If what you were saying was true, Neji would have been caught up by the webs if he stopped earlier. Kido aimed for Neji while he was stopping because that's the only way Neji would be vunerable but Neji managed to alter it while kaiten was ending.
Wait so that means that neji wasn't in the first step of kaiten where he emits the chakra, he was already in kaiten, just a slower version of it where he could barely deflect the incoming attack? well then how is that evidence for the initial emission of chakra not being used to stop an attack? Also, i'm guessing you've conceded or agree with all the points that you didn't respond to.

It blocks physical attacks. Once again Lariat isn't getting past Hiashi's rotation. You go on about how strong it is but nothing suggest ot can. I've explained over and over agin with the ten tails. It's able to deflect the ten tails hand in motion forcing it to bounce back. Nothing suggest Lariat can get through. Nothing.
Concession accepted.
You've literally just ignored my entire post, and are bringing up arguments that I've already defeated. You see the bolded? Those are pure assertions backed by absolutely no argument. I've just explained in the very part you've just quoted how blocking the juubi's tail =/= blocking lariat, so that would be you ignoring and thus conceding that argument. Unless you believe kaiten blocks punches that can shatter a solar system, or the universe, kaiten being stated to block physical attacks in no way shape or form is positive evidence for it blocking ANY physical attack. Therefore you have to give arguments or reasoning to support your conclusions about the limits of the technique.

Because of what it did to the ground? What about it not breaking Sasuke's bones as well but just blowing of his chest and neck
That's irrelevant. Sasuke never took GM stepping on him. The only common ground we have is the destruction both techniques cause to the environment, and by that V1 lariat > GM running. If you disagree with that, please give some manga evidence that shows otherwise. If not, then you have no reason to not logically conclude that a V1 lariat > GM's steps.

No he started while Naruto covered the distance. Not even focused he was just listening to everything Naruto was saying and used kaiten when he got closer.
What in the world indicates that neji wasn't focused and just listening to what naruto was saying which resulted in him only using kaiten when naruto got closer?

No. Man you don't get it. Your first scan was cuz Neji was caught off guard with shadow clones
the clones aren't even close to punching neji yet, however neji still waits for the punches to almost connect before emitting his chakra. Even the explanation ten ten gave has neji waiting for the attack to get close before emitting the chakra and doing his spin.

I've explained this how many times man. The chakra is released from the chakra openings and he spins away and so it's like a rotating chakra shield. Basically, the same thing but the spinning is the chakra coming into play as a shield. Even though attacks come, they would be deflected by the process cuz the chakra has already been released and he's spinning while the same chakra that stops the attack is a rotating shield. If what you are saying is true, only the first attacks would be deflected and incoming attacks when he's rotating would not. When he's rotating that's when it's a shield that stops attack and blasts them away
Are just arguing this or you truly find it hard to get?
No i get what you are saying, but what I'm saying is that the explanation given was he stops the attack with the emitted chakra and then blows them away with the shield created by spinning. Sure the shield itself can also deflect attacks, however blocking the attack with the omitted chakra AND THEN spinning yields an even greater defense than just spinning.

Lel so it couldn't only blow his chest and neck of but his bones were still there?
yep. How about you show me a physical attack in this manga that both blows the neck and chest off of someone AND breaks their bones and then tell me how powerful that is compared to what kaiten has blocked or lariat.

I never said chuunin Neji could deflect it. Kaiten was said to have more power, that is to be more impenetrable that Gaara sand shield. What is there to argue?
Don't waste my time.
You said kaiten > C3 because kaiten was stated to be > gaara's defenses and gaara blocked C3. CE neji has kaiten, therefore if you believe the bolded to be true then it follows logically and necessarily that you believe chuunen exam neji could have blocked C3 without damage. Either CE Neji can't block it and kaiten =/= blocking C3, or CE neji does block it and Kaiten blocks C3.

Point is Kaiten is stronger than the sand shield so what can't penetrate the sand shield, can't penetrate Kaiten.
Yeah, so you actually believe chuunin exam neji could have blocked Why should anyone take you seriously with those kinds of beliefs?

Lol If PS is standing there doing nothing and wants to test if Neji can. You're making a big deal out of it and trying to make it seem like I'm comparing kid Neji to PS and SS. Smh get real.Do you even read the scans? Obviously PS destroys any hyuuga. ANYTHING made of chakra would be destroyed by putting chakra into it. Mentioning PS and the hyuugas in one sentence is not something I'll like to do because they are outclassed but anything made of chakra would be destroyed and is meaningless before gentle fist. As simple as that. How about Neji also cutting through the web easily with his body despite the arrow being shot at him?
So you literally believe that as long as chuunin exam neji could get a hand on PS, or shinsuusenjuu, he would destroy the entire construct?

Lol what is this? I already told you. It's the same chakra that's rotating. If he's rotating and the attack comes, that same chakra which would initially stop it would be the same chakra that would blast it away while spinning. The only difference is the chakra rotating sends the attack flying. Or are you saying they're different? False.
It's the same chakra, but not the same amount of chakra. IF neji tries to stop the attack by emitting chakra, and then tries to deflect the attack by spinning after he has slowed the attack down, then obviously he's going to have an easier time deflecting the attack rather than if he's just spinning.
 

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Sure Sasuke's 2 tomoe read it, you can clearly see that on the next page where lee says that Sasuke thought lee was using a ninjutsu or genjutsu to get past his defenses, thus since his sharingan didn't see a nin or genjutsu, he thought to himself that his sharingan didn't read it.
Physical reactions can't be under taijutsu because Sasuke gains the same physical speed as lee, yet he still scores an entire tier below lee.

Don't waste my time. Lee clearly was talking about his base starting speed without weights as
Sasuke copied lee's taijutsu moves, he had to train his body in order to gain lee's weightless body speed.
I'm not arguing this Rotation argument with you because you keep brining up stupid points and repeating the same thing you said despite me proving you wrong countless time. You don't understand how rotation works and i've explained but still you're obviously arguing for some unknown reason. Don't get it twisted. I've replied to the same argument 5 times. Me not replying to it don't mean I've conceded anything. Sasuke said his 2t couldn't read yet you stupidly argue this. Damn this so stupid. Rock Lee never said he read it. He said "Even if you can" Sasuke himself says he can't read it. Gosh.
Gai said his speed is "about" the same speed as Lee . DB still gives Lee a higher speed so it wasn't exactly the same speed and since it doesn't take into account enhancement(gates, sharingan) sasuke wasn't using his sharingan as shown in that previous scan. So Lee was still faster.
 
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