Hiashi vs B

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Hiashi has a 5 in Taijutsu while the other 2 are below him. Reflexes is in that department so he definitely does.

that doesn't mean he has better reflexes than them. Rock lee has a far higher score than Sasuke in taijutsu yet we know sasuke has greater reflexes due to the sharingan.

Why won't it get through it? Nothing can get through rotation from what we know.

1) mokuton spears got through neji's rotation
2) from what we know, the rotation deflects the attacks that we've seen them deflect in canon. We don't know if it deflects attacks of higher power, of higher concentration, or speed. Saying 'we didn't see anything get through rotation = rotation blocks everyting' is a textbook example of a no limits fallacy.
3) Neji sustained a lot of damage from KN0 naruto's hit, therefore force of the hit does get through

The ten tails hand should have at least been able to push it back or at least not been pushed back at all if it wasn't that strong.

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If anything, the ten tails was coming with force and cleared all the people but it's still got pushed back by wall palm

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so what? that's not even close to the kind of striking and impact power that bee's V1 lariat deals. far off people were getting sent flying by the mere shockwave of butterfly chouji's punch, those people would have been sent flying far away if they had been in bee's whirlwind, yet bee's whirlwind isn't going to mortally wound sasuke or punch a hole in samehada and blow kisame's chest open.

. I honestly don't see how V2 gets past it. If not, it won't get past wall palm even though it won't get past rotation as well. Not to mention Neji was knocked back cuz of how weak his rotation was and he didn't even fully rotate.

Air palm only knocked the juubi's arm into the air, and I don't see how that attack would even damage a V2 jink when they can take direct shots from raikiri without getting hurt. From what we've seen air palm sends an opponent back a lot, but it doesn't actually deal a lot of damage to them which is why shouten kisame

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At best the technique will send bee flying, but he'll just get back up and blitz.

Kisame's samehada is nothing compared to rotation defensively. Ten ten said it knocks the opponents chakra. She never said if it was powerful enough to do so

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. Naruto's chakra at that point was stronger than Neji's and that was even an incomplete rotation. Yet Naruto suffered more damage and didn't have his Kyuubi chakra afterwards.

sure... i don't see how that contradicts what i've said. Kisame and sameahda were brought up to show you how powerful a V2 was compared to a V1, not about comparing their defenses to a rotation. By what evidence would neji have faired better if he had started his rotation earlier?


Also, when did hiashi use wall palm while wrapping himself?

Hiashi clearly has better reflexes than 3T Sasuke. It's part of Taijutsu and he's better in that aspect. I don't think B would be silly to use 7 swords dance repeatedly when he sees it's futile. True about the point pressing but let's not forget one touch to the heart is enough to kill B.

refer to 2 tomoe sasuke having much better reactions than lee despite despite lee having a much higher score. and about the heart, if sasuke can't even nick bee with a sword, how is hiashi going to land a touch on bee's chest?

Lol I'm trying to defend Hiashi. I'll see where I can get cuz I think he won't be stomped.

sounds good.

 

[Haizaki]

that doesn't mean he has better reflexes than them. Rock lee has a far higher score than Sasuke in taijutsu yet we know sasuke has greater reflexes due to the sharingan.

Lol what? Hell no he doesn't have better reflexes due to his sharingan. His sharingan foresees before it happens so he has to be able to move by himself.

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Read what Rock Lee says. Bro don't tell me you believe Sasuke has better reflexes than a Taijutsu specialist who's much more superior to Sasuke?

1) mokuton spears got through neji's rotation

It was a continuous attack. If not, why didn't the other ones get through? Neji couldn't spin fast enough cuz they were too many

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. That doesn't mean it was strong enough to get through. No.

2) from what we know, the rotation deflects the attacks that we've seen them deflect in canon. We don't know if it deflects attacks of higher power, of higher concentration, or speed. Saying 'we didn't see anything get through rotation = rotation blocks everyting' is a textbook example of a no limits fallacy.

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It has been said to be able to knock away "physical attacks" with just that. There's no reason for me to believe B's lariat would get past it. As a matter of fact, I believe you're saying it gets past rotation cuz of what it did to Kisame which isn't convincing at all.

3) Neji sustained a lot of damage from KN0 naruto's hit, therefore force of the hit does get through

No. Rotation is only effective when spinning. Neji wasn't spinning but listening to what Naruto was saying about his clan then he spun

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. Force of the hit isn't even the same as the hit. So it won't do anything to Hiashi. Let's not forget his range. Neji's range was much smaller so Naruto had enough time to get closer. Hiashi's range is far wider than that. He can spin and the hit or its force won't affect him at all.

so what? that's not even close to the kind of striking and impact power that bee's V1 lariat deals. far off people were getting sent flying by the mere shockwave of butterfly chouji's punch, those people would have been sent flying far away if they had been in bee's whirlwind, yet bee's whirlwind isn't going to mortally wound sasuke or punch a hole in samehada and blow kisame's chest open.

Bee won't be able to run through that or you still believe he's getting through that? Would B be running past it like it's nothing?
Even if B runs faster it doesn't matter. It would knock him off his feet and send him flying. The ten tails hand was moving towards their direction and Hiashi sent it flying. The thing is Hiashi was able to deflect it. B is much smaller. No matter what the force is, the ten tails is bigger than him. It would send him back. As far as his wall palms was strong enough to push it back while moving (something that required Kyuubi cloak for hinata to do) then he can push B flying back even if he's moving faster since he's smaller.

Air palm only knocked the juubi's arm into the air, and I don't see how that attack would even damage a V2 jink when they can take direct shots from raikiri without getting hurt. From what we've seen air palm sends an opponent back a lot, but it doesn't actually deal a lot of damage to them which is why shouten kisame

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At best the technique will send bee flying, but he'll just get back up and blitz.

It does send people flying and affects their vital spot as well. Kisame held samehada afterwards which has shown to regenerate him

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and B would not blitz Hiashi Lol. As a matter of fact, if B is in range of 64 palms I don't know how he'll react to such high speed strikes.

sure... i don't see how that contradicts what i've said. Kisame and sameahda were brought up to show you how powerful a V2 was compared to a V1, not about comparing their defenses to a rotation. By what evidence would neji have faired better if he had started his rotation earlier?

Lol what? So you think Naruto would punch Neji while he is spinning and the spinning would stop and Neji would be sent flying?

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Releases a little amount of chakra at first and then fully rotates and it becomes effective

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Omitting chakra to alter its momentum. When he was fully rotating, that couldn't even get past.

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we can see how Naruto punches but couldn't get past the chakra but when he's spinning, he's sent flying.

Also, when did hiashi use wall palm while wrapping himself?

No he didn't. I said he'll use it while Bee is wrapping himself with his tails or before he does.

refer to 2 tomoe sasuke having much better reactions than lee despite despite lee having a much higher score. and about the heart, if sasuke can't even nick bee with a sword, how is hiashi going to land a touch on bee's chest?

If he can knock B down with his defense and strike his heart if he's down

 

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Lol what? Hell no he doesn't have better reflexes due to his sharingan. His sharingan foresees before it happens so he has to be able to move by himself.

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Read what Rock Lee says. Bro don't tell me you believe Sasuke has better reflexes than a Taijutsu specialist who's much more superior to Sasuke?

Um, sasuke had better reflexes than lee, his physical body speed was just too slow to physically respond when he first fought lee. Later, when sasuke gets the same speed as base lee, his reflexes have to have been better than lee's as he's able to run straight at his opponent and dodge their attacks while lee can't. Lee even flat out said that it was his superior body speed that allowed him to blitz sasuke in their first fight,

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. Yet despite all of that, Sasuke has at least an entire tier below him in taijutsu databook score. So > taijutsu =/= greater reflexes.

It was a continuous attack. If not, why didn't the other ones get through? Neji couldn't spin fast enough cuz they were too many

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. That doesn't mean it was strong enough to get through. No.

It doesn't matter if it was a continuous attack or not, neji was spinning and they got through despite that. If it was via the collective force of that attack, then it means that an attack with enough force can get through neji's rotation, or it will stop him from rotating.

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It has been said to be able to knock away "physical attacks" with just that. There's no reason for me to believe B's lariat would get past it. As a matter of fact, I believe you're saying it gets past rotation cuz of what it did to Kisame which isn't convincing at all.

Being stated to knock away physical attacks is completely irrelevant to HOW POWERFUL A PHYSICAL ATTACK they can knock away. That's just the mechanics of the jutsu, it has nothing to do with the limits of that that jutsu is able to do such a thing. Can neji's kaiten knock away an entire planet being dropped on him? Can neji's katen knock away a punch that could shatter a solar system?

And i've given you all the reason to believe that kaiten doesn't block a V2 lariat: because the attack is too powerful. We've seen how powerful the V1 lariat is, we've seen the V2 lariat is leagues above a V1, and we've seen neji's kaiten can't knock away an attack that's tiers beyond tiers below a V1. Scale what neji's kaiten to his uncle's and V1 to naruto's attack and V1 is more powerful than what Hiashi can knock away.

I've made no claim that because the lariat did X amount of damage to kisame, it gets through kaiten. I claimed that because the lariat did X amount of damage to kisame, therefore it's much more powerful than a V1 lariat which has enough power to get through kaiten.

No. Rotation is only effective when spinning. Neji wasn't spinning but listening to what Naruto was saying about his clan then he spun

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. Force of the hit isn't even the same as the hit. So it won't do anything to Hiashi. Let's not forget his range. Neji's range was much smaller so Naruto had enough time to get closer. Hiashi's range is far wider than that. He can spin and the hit or its force won't affect him at all.

Neji did spin. Sure he begun his spin right before the attack hit him, but he still spun. Plus, what neji did was exactly what kaiten was is explained to do:

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So nothing absolutely nothing implies that had he started spinning before, he would have taken any less damage or something different would have happened.

The bolded is just a flat out assertion backed up by zero evidence. You just assume that hiashi takes no damage from the hit without giving any argument for that. You give no evidence for how hiashi would interact with such an attack, and it's basically become you saying 'prove me wrong, else i am right' which is a straight up logical fallacy as I do not have to prove a negative.

Bee won't be able to run through that or you still believe he's getting through that? Would B be running past it like it's nothing?
Even if B runs faster it doesn't matter. It would knock him off his feet and send him flying. The ten tails hand was moving towards their direction and Hiashi sent it flying. The thing is Hiashi was able to deflect it. B is much smaller. No matter what the force is, the ten tails is bigger than him. It would send him back. As far as his wall palms was strong enough to push it back while moving (something that required Kyuubi cloak for hinata to do) then he can push B flying back even if he's moving faster since he's smaller.

Bee doesn't have to run through it. He might get blown back, he might not, but it's not going to do much to him offensively when he has a V2 cloak up. Bigger =/= more powerful, we've been over that and the manga is litered with examples of it.

It does send people flying and affects their vital spot as well. Kisame held samehada afterwards which has shown to regenerate him

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and B would not blitz Hiashi Lol. As a matter of fact, if B is in range of 64 palms I don't know how he'll react to such high speed strikes.

Samehada's handle curls around the user when it regenerates them, it didn't do that to kisame. Bee would blitz hiashi, if Sasuke with the sharingan can barely react to V1 how is hiashi going to dodge V2? 64 palms doesn't do anything as it doesn't get through bee's chakra cloak, and if he's close enough to get 64 palmed, he's close enough to end hiashi with lariat or swords.

Lol what? So you think Naruto would punch Neji while he is spinning and the spinning would stop and Neji would be sent flying?

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Releases a little amount of chakra at first and then fully rotates and it becomes effective

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Omitting chakra to alter it's momentum. When he was fully rotating, that couldn't even get past.

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we can see how Naruto punches but couldn't get past the chakra but when he's spinning, he's sent flying.

The spinning only comes after the enemies attack has been stopped with the chakra. If the attack hasn't been stopped with the chakra, then it doesn't get sent flying as explained by ten ten in the link I gave you. When neji clashed with naruto's attack, he ommitted chakra and then spun.

No he didn't. I said he'll use it while Bee is wrapping himself with his tails or before he does.

what exactly would that do?

If he can knock B down with his defense and strike his heart if he's down

how is he going to knock bee down when bee uses raiton swords, and when hiashi and neji don't immediately spin, they first emit the chakra to stop the attack and then spin to send the attacks (that have been stopped) flying?

 

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Bee totally takes it.

 

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Damn this is intense.

 

[Haizaki]

Um, sasuke had better reflexes than lee, his physical body speed was just too slow to physically respond when he first fought lee. Later, when sasuke gets the same speed as base lee, his reflexes have to have been better than lee's as he's able to run straight at his opponent and dodge their attacks while lee can't. Lee even flat out said that it was his superior body speed that allowed him to blitz sasuke in their first fight,

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. Yet despite all of that, Sasuke has at least an entire tier below him in taijutsu databook score. So > taijutsu =/= greater reflexes.

Hell no. Lol did you forgot the gates? Lol you posted a scan of Lee saying they have the same body speed but Lee never said Sasuke had better body speed because of the sharing an. Understand this, Lee has better reflexes. They had the same body speed but Sasuke had the sharingan to predict his opponents next movements. I'm not even talking the gates. Are you telling me Sasuke has better reflexes than someone with the gates? Lel. Not to mention he was the same as Lee with his weights removed and nothing else. Yet now, it is more than obvious Lee is superior in anything concerning taijutsu. That's the point of the sharingan. You don't understand. The sharingan sees the counter attack coming. It doesn't increase your reflexes. If you see it and you can dodge then you dodge. If you can see it but you can't dodge, then you get hit. Sharingan doesn't increase your reflexes. Rock Lee says you have the same body speed and Kakashi already established the fact that the sharingan would be able to see that counter attack. Not to mention the sharingan only has no trouble with predicting linear movements

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. The body is the main requirement for reacting. No, reflexes is under taijutsu. Lol wrong, Sasuke was said to have the same taijutsu as rock lee as well when he reacted to Gaara's sand

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It doesn't matter if it was a continuous attack or not, neji was spinning and they got through despite that. If it was via the collective force of that attack, then it means that an attack with enough force can get through neji's rotation, or it will stop him from rotating.

Of course it does. B's lariat is not a continuous attack. Previously the same wood couldn't penetrate and Neji couldn't spin fast enough to deflect all because it was too many. I hope you know rotation isn't continuous. When it's stoping, the speed at which he's spinning reduces therefore making it weaker. When Neji is fully rotating at the bottom right

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, none gets through. No it means when Neji's about to stop rotating or start rotating, it's weaker that when he's fully rotating.

Being stated to knock away physical attacks is completely irrelevant to HOW POWERFUL A PHYSICAL ATTACK they can knock away. That's just the mechanics of the jutsu, it has nothing to do with the limits of that that jutsu is able to do such a thing. Can neji's kaiten knock away an entire planet being dropped on him? Can neji's katen knock away a punch that could shatter a solar system?

Look this isn't happening. So far it says no physical attacks can get through and none has been shown to get through it and yet you're saying V2 lariat will get through Hiashi's rotation when none of such has been implied by the manga. Till a physical attack of sort can be shown to get through, then I'll agree that V2 lariat can. Saying it would get through because it is very powerful is just an assumption that I can't accept.

And i've given you all the reason to believe that kaiten doesn't block a V2 lariat: because the attack is too powerful. We've seen how powerful the V1 lariat is, we've seen the V2 lariat is leagues above a V1, and we've seen neji's kaiten can't knock away an attack that's tiers beyond tiers below a V1. Scale what neji's kaiten to his uncle's and V1 to naruto's attack and V1 is more powerful than what Hiashi can knock away.

Isn't this an assumption. Because of how powerful it is? So you've seen Neji can block attacks lower but you haven't seen if Neji's kaiten can block stronger attack(like the ten tails hand clearing people like nothing) and then you decide to jump to believe that kaiten won't block lariat?

I've made no claim that because the lariat did X amount of damage to kisame, it gets through kaiten. I claimed that because the lariat did X amount of damage to kisame, therefore it's much more powerful than a V1 lariat which has enough power to get through kaiten.

Aren't you implying because of how powerful it is? Because of the damage?

Neji did spin. Sure he begun his spin right before the attack hit him, but he still spun. Plus, what neji did was exactly what kaiten was is explained to do:

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So nothing absolutely nothing implies that had he started spinning before, he would have taken any less damage or something different would have happened.

Man can't you see he wasn't spinning completely?

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there's a difference which is clear. Of course it is. From what you're saying, Neji might as well be standing while releasing chakra from his body and the attack would be the same which is obviously false as shown when Naruto punched him and the chakra blocked, then he spun and the rotating chakra shield sent him flying. When he is spinning, the chakra becomes a rotating shield. If you're arguing this, you don't know how rotation works.
I already even explained it with the Kidomaru example which is extremely obvious but you still argue this. Even ten ten clearly explains it here

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. He releases chakra first then he spins his body "like a top" which is shown in the image below and the attack blasts away.

The bolded is just a flat out assertion backed up by zero evidence. You just assume that hiashi takes no damage from the hit without giving any argument for that. You give no evidence for how hiashi would interact with such an attack, and it's basically become you saying 'prove me wrong, else i am right' which is a straight up logical fallacy as I do not have to prove a negative.

Lol it's already obvious you don't know how this jutsu works. You said the force pushed Neji back even though his rotation was incomplete. So we both agree the force of Naruto's attack also sent him flying with him receiving more damage right? Alright if it does then, how much Hiashi's rotation that already expands wider. How would the user get any close if he starts rotating.
This is Hiashi's range:

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We already saw Neji's range which was far smaller. Neji spun and the range at which he could cover was how close Naruto could get to him. Hiashi's range is wider so the second he starts spinning, his range is already covered because that's how far his rotating chakra could expand to. If he spins, his chakra already expands to that range and he receives minor damage if anything. There's nothing that even suggest the lariat would get through.

Bee doesn't have to run through it. He might get blown back, he might not, but it's not going to do much to him offensively when he has a V2 cloak up. Bigger =/= more powerful, we've been over that and the manga is litered with examples of it.

Lol it would send the damage back to him. Lol Hiashi's rotation is obviously stronger than Neji's. He has a stronger Byakugan than them so his attacks should be obviously stronger as shown with his wall palm.

Samehada's handle curls around the user when it regenerates them, it didn't do that to kisame. Bee would blitz hiashi, if Sasuke with the sharingan can barely react to V1 how is hiashi going to dodge V2? 64 palms doesn't do anything as it doesn't get through bee's chakra cloak, and if he's close enough to get 64 palmed, he's close enough to end hiashi with lariat or swords.

Sharingan doesn't react. It sees and then the user react so Sasuke there was able to react due to his body. Lariat? He'll be defending himself if Hiashi gets close. Not to mention he's superior to Bee in cqc. The sword comes out, and hash rotates.
The cloak is chakra based. Hiashi can get through the cloak by slicing through it as long as it has charka flowing through it

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The spinning only comes after the enemies attack has been stopped with the chakra. If the attack hasn't been stopped with the chakra, then it doesn't get sent flying as explained by ten ten in the link I gave you. When neji clashed with naruto's attack, he ommitted chakra and then spun.

No. He can spin right before it comes. We were just shown how it worked back then. Sticks were deflected while he was spinning so he didn't have to stop first and then spin while he could just spin and still deflect except he's about to stop spinning.
If that was true, then all the spiders that were coming even while rotation was in play would have to wait to be stopped despite them being sent back flying while he was rotating

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how is he going to knock bee down when bee uses raiton swords, and when hiashi and neji don't immediately spin, they first emit the chakra to stop the attack and then spin to send the attacks (that have been stopped) flying?

No No. Why would they stop first when they can just spin and the attack can be deflected? They can spin and the attack would not get past the rotating shield. We've seen them spin and incoming attacks have been deflected by the rotating shield while it was in play not before it was in play.

 

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Hell no. Lol did you forgot the gates? Lol you posted a scan of Lee saying they have the same body speed but Lee never said Sasuke had better body speed because of the sharing an. Understand this, Lee has better reflexes. They had the same body speed but Sasuke had the sharingan to predict his opponents next movements. I'm not even talking the gates. Are you telling me Sasuke has better reflexes than someone with the gates? Lel. Not to mention he was the same as Lee with his weights removed and nothing else. Yet now, it is more than obvious Lee is superior in anything concerning taijutsu. That's the point of the sharingan. You don't understand. The sharingan sees the counter attack coming. It doesn't increase your reflexes. If you see it and you can dodge then you dodge. If you can see it but you can't dodge, then you get hit. Sharingan doesn't increase your reflexes. Rock Lee says you have the same body speed and Kakashi already established the fact that the sharingan would be able to see that counter attack. Not to mention the sharingan only has no trouble with predicting linear movements

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. The body is the main requirement for reacting. No, reflexes is under taijutsu. Lol wrong, Sasuke was said to have the same taijutsu as rock lee as well when he reacted to Gaara's sand

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the databook scores do not take into account stat increases gained from powerups. Therefore lee having gates or not are completely irrelevant. Reflexes = time it takes to respond. If the sharingan gives them precognition, then obviously their reflexes, or the time it takes them to respond to attacks will go up since they will see the attacks earlier and thus react earlier.

Of course it does. B's lariat is not a continuous attack. Previously the same wood couldn't penetrate and Neji couldn't spin fast enough to deflect all because it was too many. I hope you know rotation isn't continuous. When it's stoping, the speed at which he's spinning reduces therefore making it weaker. When Neji is fully rotating at the bottom right

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, none gets through. No it means when Neji's about to stop rotating or start rotating, it's weaker that when he's fully rotating.

Now you've just assumed that neiji, for no reason at all decided to stop his rotation or slow down his rotation in the middle of a continuous attack that was slaughtering his allies. By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? Neji even literally says

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which means he's trying to spin as fast as he can, yet the spears still end up getting through. Also, show why bee's attack being a single hit instead of multiple hits would make any difference.

Look this isn't happening. So far it says no physical attacks can get through and none has been shown to get through it and yet you're saying V2 lariat will get through Hiashi's rotation when none of such has been implied by the manga. Till a physical attack of sort can be shown to get through, then I'll agree that V2 lariat can. Saying it would get through because it is very powerful is just an assumption that I can't accept.

For the third, i repeat third time, what you've just stated is literally a textbook example of a NO LIMITS FALLACY where a person claims that something in the manga has no limits simply because we haven't seen the limits of it in the manga. V2 lariat getting through is absolutely not just an assumption, I gave you an argument that scaled the power of the lariat to KN0 naruto's attack on neji's rotation, which would lead you to conclude that the V2 lariat gets through the defense, and an argument where the combined power of those mokuton spears halts neji's rotation enough to get through it.

You also flat out ignored my two questions where I asked you if rotation could knock away a planet falling on Hiashi, or a punch with enough power to shatter a solar system. Unless you believe that kaiten literally has no limits, then obviously kaiten has a limit. And thus we both have a burden of proof to argue what that limit is and give reasoning and evidence for it.

Isn't this an assumption. Because of how powerful it is? So you've seen Neji can block attacks lower but you haven't seen if Neji's kaiten can block stronger attack(like the ten tails hand clearing people like nothing) and then you decide to jump to believe that kaiten won't block lariat?

That's not an assumption, what you've quoted is an argument in which i state my reasoning for my conclusion. The juubi's tails clearing people like nothing doesn't mean it's stronger against a singular target like neji's rotation. It's in the same boat as killer bee's whirlwind, it is powerful, but it's spread out across a huge AoE.

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and i'm pretty sure even bee's V1 lariat is more powerful than GM's footsteps.

Aren't you implying because of how powerful it is? Because of the damage?

Sure.

Man can't you see he wasn't spinning completely?

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there's a difference which is clear. Of course it is. From what you're saying, Neji might as well be standing while releasing chakra from his body and the attack would be the same which is obviously false as shown when Naruto punched him and the chakra blocked, then he spun and the rotating chakra shield sent him flying. When he is spinning, the chakra becomes a rotating shield. If you're arguing this, you don't know how rotation works.
I already even explained it with the Kidomaru example which is extremely obvious but you still argue this. Even ten ten clearly explains it here

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. He releases chakra first then he spins his body "like a top" which is shown in the image below and the attack blasts away.

yeah so what happened is neji waited for the punch to get close to him, emitted the chakra and then spun. However the amount of power was so great that he got hit with a good portion of the blast, thus the same thing happens with lariat. Read ten-ten's explanation. If what you are saying is true, that rotation before the attack hits is a better defense than emitting the chakra and then rotating, why in the world does neji wait for the attacks to almost hit him, then emits the chakra to stop the attack and then rotates? Why not just rotate from the getgo?

Lol it's already obvious you don't know how this jutsu works. You said the force pushed Neji back even though his rotation was incomplete. So we both agree the force of Naruto's attack also sent him flying with him receiving more damage right? Alright if it does then, how much Hiashi's rotation that already expands wider. How would the user get any close if he starts rotating.
This is Hiashi's range:

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We already saw Neji's range which was far smaller. Neji spun and the range at which he could cover was how close Naruto could get to him. Hiashi's range is wider so the second he starts spinning, his range is already covered because that's how far his rotating chakra could expand to. If he spins, his chakra already expands to that range and he receives minor damage if anything. There's nothing that even suggest the lariat would get through.

I've given two arguments for how lariat gets through while all you could do is bring up a no limits fallacy so the last line is already false. It doesn't matter if his chakra expands to that range, even V1 bee's attack is leagues above what neji went up against, and neji's kaiten doesn't continue to protect him when the explosion goes off, so neither would hiashi's.

Lol it would send the damage back to him. Lol Hiashi's rotation is obviously stronger than Neji's. He has a stronger Byakugan than them so his attacks should be obviously stronger as shown with his wall palm.

If you are talking about rotation, the difference between V1 bee's attack and KN0 naruto's attack is far greater than the difference between hiashi and neji's rotation.

Sharingan doesn't react. It sees and then the user react so Sasuke there was able to react due to his body. Lariat? He'll be defending himself if Hiashi gets close. Not to mention he's superior to Bee in cqc. The sword comes out, and hash rotates.
The cloak is chakra based. Hiashi can get through the cloak by slicing through it as long as it has charka flowing through it

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evidence for the bolded? Unless hiashi rotates before bee's gets close with his raiton swords, he's not going to save himself as his initial burst of chakra isn't blocking raiton swords. Hiashi slicing through the chakra cloak is another textbook example of a no limits fallacy. Perfect susanoo is chakra based, does hiashi slice through that? Onmyouton is chakra based, does hiashi slice through that? Kidomaru's webs that neji were blowing away could only support the weight of 2 elephants before snapping, and current neji's full body blow couldn't even destroy a white zetsu. By what logic does hiashi get through V2 cloaks that can no sell attacks like raikiri?

No. He can spin right before it comes. We were just shown how it worked back then. Sticks were deflected while he was spinning so he didn't have to stop first and then spin while he could just spin and still deflect except he's about to stop spinning.
If that was true, then all the spiders that were coming even while rotation was in play would have to wait to be stopped despite them being sent back flying while he was rotating

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Well, if that's how it works then neji would not have been better off with spinning from the getgo, all it would do is produce the same results since if spinning before the attack hits rather than waiting till the chakra stops it produced worse results then why even have that step there in the first place?

No No. Why would they stop first when they can just spin and the attack can be deflected? They can spin and the attack would not get past the rotating shield. We've seen them spin and incoming attacks have been deflected by the rotating shield while it was in play not before it was in play.

@ the bolded, you tell me. That's exactly what ten ten says neji does. He stops the attack first, and the spin is used to knock the stuff away after it's been stopped. Sure the rotating shield can deflect attacks without neji having to emit that chakra first, but based on the explanation, it's better to stop the attack first with the emitted chakra and then spin. And it makes sense since stop attack + spinning > spinning.

 

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Neji couldn't block the wooden spikes because of their numbers .... it wasn't the attacks power or speed, only it's number

 

[Tarinth]

Are you honestly not trolling? Hiashi is in no way, shape, or form, taking on
Bee and winning from V2 and onward.
Make it V1 and then Hiashi has a chance, and even then,
I think Bee would win mid-diff.

 

[Apêx1]

Lel, [

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] are both easy and viable options to end the fight instantaneously. Show me scans of him being capable of either escaping whirlwind range or stopping it. Show me scans of superior to Kisame reaction speed.

 

[Optimistic]

How unusual. Haha well should we get on with it?

Fine i'll debate using Akashi and you debate for Aomine. You post your opening post i'll counter.

 

[lanakui8]

Neji couldn't block the wooden spikes because of their numbers .... it wasn't the attacks power or speed, only it's number

Why did their numbers stop neji's rotation? Because the collective hits had enough power and speed to slow the rotation down enough for attacks to get through. Therefore the rotation does get slowed down and penetrated if hit with enough force. How much force is required? Well we can look to how much collective force neji's rotation took from the mokuton spears or how much force neji's rotation was hit when KN0 naruto punched him at the chuunin exams then scale it up to current neji's level.

if you don't agree with that, what singular attack can get through neji's rotation, and by what logic?

 

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Why did their numbers stop neji's rotation? Because the collective hits had enough power and speed to slow the rotation down enough for attacks to get through. Therefore the rotation does get slowed down and penetrated if hit with enough force. How much force is required? Well we can look to how much collective force neji's rotation took from the mokuton spears or how much force neji's rotation was hit when KN0 naruto punched him at the chuunin exams then scale it up to current neji's level.

if you don't agree with that, what singular attack can get through neji's rotation, and by what logic?

No ... It was because the chakra used in Rotation blows attacks away, so if there are too many blows, there won't be enough chakra to handle all the attacks

 

[Haizaki]

the databook scores do not take into account stat increases gained from powerups. Therefore lee having gates or not are completely irrelevant. Reflexes = time it takes to respond. If the sharingan gives them precognition, then obviously their reflexes, or the time it takes them to respond to attacks will go up since they will see the attacks earlier and thus react earlier.

Still doesn't change the fact that it requires his body to be able to do it. You can see it but still the speed at which you react is what matters. Not to mention the sharingan has been said to only not have trouble predicting linear movements. His body may not have time to react depending on how fast the user is. Example, Ay couldn't be followed by Sasuke's sharingan.
Time it takes to respond. If you can see it coming but it's really fast, you must still be able to react to quickly. I never said gates was included in the DB. You were saying Sasuke had the same body speed and I was saying did you forget the gates. You may see it earlier but the time in which you react is what matters. At that point, Lee was referring to the fact that Sasuke could run straight at his opponent and see the counterattack while he can't see that counter while running straight.

Now you've just assumed that neiji, for no reason at all decided to stop his rotation or slow down his rotation in the middle of a continuous attack that was slaughtering his allies. By what logic do you arrive at that conclusion? Neji even literally says

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which means he's trying to spin as fast as he can, yet the spears still end up getting through. Also, show why bee's attack being a single hit instead of multiple hits would make any difference.

Assumed? I didn't it was shown

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He said they were so many and in the next scan when it's shown his headband hadn't reached the ground when he stopped? what does that show?

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Naruto even thanks him for buying time. How does it make sense that the same sticks couldn't get through but somehow increased and got through?

For the third, i repeat third time, what you've just stated is literally a textbook example of a NO LIMITS FALLACY where a person claims that something in the manga has no limits simply because we haven't seen the limits of it in the manga. V2 lariat getting through is absolutely not just an assumption, I gave you an argument that scaled the power of the lariat to KN0 naruto's attack on neji's rotation, which would lead you to conclude that the V2 lariat gets through the defense, and an argument where the combined power of those mokuton spears halts neji's rotation enough to get through it.

You can repeat yourself all you want. "We haven't seen the limits" you said it yourself, so who are you to give those limits? I repeatedly proved to you the difference between a full rotation and an incomplete one.

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Another obvious one I've shown before. He omitted chakra while not fully rotating to alter it's momentum. Meanwhile, when he was fully rotating, that was completely useless. You're basically implying rotation is just him releasing chakra. He has to rotate for the rotating chakra to spread round him. That is what deflects the attack. An incomplete one is obviously weaker. Anyone should know this.

You also flat out ignored my two questions where I asked you if rotation could knock away a planet falling on Hiashi, or a punch with enough power to shatter a solar system. Unless you believe that kaiten literally has no limits, then obviously kaiten has a limit. And thus we both have a burden of proof to argue what that limit is and give reasoning and evidence for it.

It obviously does have limits. Just that lariat isn't convincing enough to get past it when it could deflect the ten tails hand.

That's not an assumption, what you've quoted is an argument in which i state my reasoning for my conclusion. The juubi's tails clearing people like nothing doesn't mean it's stronger against a singular target like neji's rotation. It's in the same boat as killer bee's whirlwind, it is powerful, but it's spread out across a huge AoE.

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and i'm pretty sure even bee's V1 lariat is more powerful than GM's footsteps.

All i'm saying is there's nothing convincing that suggest lariat would get past rotation. Lol V1 stronger than GM's footsteps?

yeah so what happened is neji waited for the punch to get close to him, emitted the chakra and then spun. However the amount of power was so great that he got hit with a good portion of the blast, thus the same thing happens with lariat. Read ten-ten's explanation. If what you are saying is true, that rotation before the attack hits is a better defense than emitting the chakra and then rotating, why in the world does neji wait for the attacks to almost hit him, then emits the chakra to stop the attack and then rotates? Why not just rotate from the getgo?

2 obvious reasons that has happened
- Neji was fooled by a shadow clone and then Naruto attacked
- Neji was listening to what Naruto was saying about his clan whch was shown
- Unlike Hiashi's range, Neji's range is much more smaller.
You're confused why would he rotate when his range is small? he's leaving himself vulnerable for an attack when he stops.

I've given two arguments for how lariat gets through while all you could do is bring up a no limits fallacy so the last line is already false. It doesn't matter if his chakra expands to that range, even V1 bee's attack is leagues above what neji went up against, and neji's kaiten doesn't continue to protect him when the explosion goes off, so neither would hiashi's.

Lel and all you're doing is saying because it's strong even V1 would get through lool when it didn't blow through Sasuke's body but just blew the skin off.

if you are talking about rotation, the difference between V1 bee's attack and KN0 naruto's attack is far greater than the difference between hiashi and neji's rotation.

Lol so the difference is far larger eh? smh. Part 1 Neji and Hiashi we're talking here. Rotation was said to be more impenetrable than Gaara's sand. A massive explosion(C3) couldn't get past Gaara's sand. I fail to see Lariat would get past

evidence for the bolded? Unless hiashi rotates before bee's gets close with his raiton swords, he's not going to save himself as his initial burst of chakra isn't blocking raiton swords. Hiashi slicing through the chakra cloak is another textbook example of a no limits fallacy. Perfect susanoo is chakra based, does hiashi slice through that? Onmyouton is chakra based, does hiashi slice through that? Kidomaru's webs that neji were blowing away could only support the weight of 2 elephants before snapping, and current neji's full body blow couldn't even destroy a white zetsu. By what logic does hiashi get through V2 cloaks that can no sell attacks like raikiri?

Hiashi is the only one asides Gai and Rock Lee that has a 5 in taijutsu. Lel is that the point of one blow body?
Anyways common sense is required here. textbook example? Lol this is proof you didn't read the page I showed so I'll show it again

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*things made from chakra would be destroyed by putting chakra into them* and is useless before the gentle fist. the onmyoudon example didn't make any sense at all lmao. What relevance? It can't be touched without the Sage's chakra. How does that compare to the chakra shroud. Lol. PS would kill Hiashi but if he can touch it, would pierce through since it has chakra flowing in it. The examples you gave made no sense at all.

Well, if that's how it works then neji would not have been better off with spinning from the getgo, all it would do is produce the same results since if spinning before the attack hits rather than waiting till the chakra stops it produced worse results then why even have that step there in the first place?

I think I explained this previously already.

@ the bolded, you tell me. That's exactly what ten ten says neji does. He stops the attack first, and the spin is used to knock the stuff away after it's been stopped. Sure the rotating shield can deflect attacks without neji having to emit that chakra first, but based on the explanation, it's better to stop the attack first with the emitted chakra and then spin. And it makes sense since stop attack + spinning > spinning.

Man why do you argue this still when it has been shown incoming attacks can also be deflected while he is rotating. He doesn't necessarily have to stop first. It's the same thing. He release chakra which stops the attack, spins with that same chakra he used which expands and sends the attack flying away.

 

[Haizaki]

Fine i'll debate using Akashi and you debate for Aomine. You post your opening post i'll counter.

Lmao bro you watch KnB . ALIVEEE. Only KG and like 2 members I knew watched it...Season 3 coming soon bruh you ready?

 

[Optimistic]

Lmao bro you watch KnB . ALIVEEE. Only KG and like 2 members I knew watched it...Season 3 coming soon bruh you ready?

Was born ready already caught up with the manga. Akashi is so boring to watch i can tell his matches will be shit to watch in the anime unlike Aomine.

 

[Haizaki]

Was born ready already caught up with the manga. Akashi is so boring to watch i can tell his matches will be shit to watch in the anime unlike Aomine.

Man I'll be PM you. Clear your inbox though. The days of when Aomine first came. Damn! He was epic to watch.

 

[lanakui8]

Still doesn't change the fact that it requires his body to be able to do it. You can see it but still the speed at which you react is what matters. Not to mention the sharingan has been said to only not have trouble predicting linear movements. His body may not have time to react depending on how fast the user is. Example, Ay couldn't be followed by Sasuke's sharingan.
Time it takes to respond. If you can see it coming but it's really fast, you must still be able to react to quickly. I never said gates was included in the DB. You were saying Sasuke had the same body speed and I was saying did you forget the gates. You may see it earlier but the time in which you react is what matters. At that point, Lee was referring to the fact that Sasuke could run straight at his opponent and see the counterattack while he can't see that counter while running straight.

Lee's attacks on sasuke weren't linear, yet the 2 tomoe sharingan was able to read them, sasuke's body was simply unable to physically react so it doesn't only predict linear attacks. If sasuke has the same speed as lee, and the databook doesn't take into account powerups like the sharingan or gates, yet lee gets a far greater taijutsu stat, then obviously the taijutsu stat =/= physical reactions. And bringing up gates is irrelevant since the only thing you've used to support your argument is databook stats.

Assumed? I didn't it was shown

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He said they were so many and in the next scan when it's shown his headband hadn't reached the ground when he stopped? what does that show?

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Naruto even thanks him for buying time. How does it make sense that the same sticks couldn't get through but somehow increased and got through?

You've just attacked a strawman. I didn't say you assumed neji slowed down, I said you assumed that slowing down was a decision that neji made, and not a result of the many spears hitting his shield. You didn't address the argument of that post that neji was trying his hardest to spin as fast as he could, but his rotation was being slowed by the high number of mokutons that came into contact with it. Thus his rotation will slow if its hit with enough force.

You can repeat yourself all you want. "We haven't seen the limits" you said it yourself, so who are you to give those limits? I repeatedly proved to you the difference between a full rotation and an incomplete one.

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Another obvious one I've shown before. He omitted chakra while not fully rotating to alter it's momentum. Meanwhile, when he was fully rotating, that was completely useless. You're basically implying rotation is just him releasing chakra. He has to rotate for the rotating chakra to spread round him. That is what deflects the attack. An incomplete one is obviously weaker. Anyone should know this.

Um, i'm giving it limits despite the fact that we haven't seen the limits because I believe that kaiten DOES HAVE LIMITS. Kaiten is going up against a powerful attack in this thread, unless you believe that Kaiten can block any attack no matter how powerful, then you have a burden of proof to show that Kaiten can knock away the attacks that killer bee can throw at it. The link you gave isn't of neji using kaiten or the chakra he emits before using kaiten since he doesn't just 'alter the momentum' or change the direction of a technique with that chakra, he does that burst of chakra to stop the technique. Finally, if neji's emitted chakra can't stop an attack like that, then obviously he's going to rotate almost instantly after it comes into contact with his chakra. Thus he rotated immediately after naruto's attack came into contact with his chakra. So once gain, it's neji's emitted chakra + rotation > rotation, and thus even if he's rotating from the getgo, he'll take at least as much damage as he did if he first tries to stop the attack and then rotate.

It obviously does have limits. Just that lariat isn't convincing enough to get past it when it could deflect the ten tails hand.

Wait a second, if it does have limits, then what are they? I've already compellingly proven to you that bigger =/= more powerful, bigger AoE =/= more powerful against a singular entity, and the juubi's arm in that instance was nothing compared to what we've seen it do before.

All i'm saying is there's nothing convincing that suggest lariat would get past rotation. Lol V1 stronger than GM's footsteps?

That's not all you're saying. You've literally said that because we haven't seen the limits of the rotation, then it repels lariat. That's a textbook no limits fallacy. And my arguments aren't trying to convince you, since anyone who doesn't want to be convinced can just claim 'well that argument isn't convincing' no matter how ridiculously implausible the alternative argument is or how much evidence is for that said argument.
GM's footsteps didnt' even hit those shinobi directly, they were sent flying from the mere collisions between the footsteps and the ground, and hell yes V1 lariat is far more powerful than GM's footsteps you can clearly see that by comparing

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2 obvious reasons that has happened
- Neji was fooled by a shadow clone and then Naruto attacked
- Neji was listening to what Naruto was saying about his clan whch was shown
- Unlike Hiashi's range, Neji's range is much more smaller.
You're confused why would he rotate when his range is small? he's leaving himself vulnerable for an attack when he stops.

no shadow clone was made till after the explosion
neji began his kaiten while naruto was talking
sure hiashi's range is larger. He'd rotate when his range is small because that's how rotation works. Neji's range of his rotation is far larger than

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that's how rotation works.

Lel and all you're doing is saying because it's strong even V1 would get through lool when it didn't blow through Sasuke's body but just blew the skin off.

That's absolutely not what I'm saying. For the fourth time, I've argued via comparison of naruto's hit to neji's kaiton vs Bee's lariat to hiashi's kaiten that the lariat would get through. So what if the lariat didn't blow through Sasuke's body, I'm sure kn0 naruto's hit would have done far less to neji, yet it was still powerful enough to greatly damage neji through his kaiten.

Lol so the difference is far larger eh? smh. Part 1 Neji and Hiashi we're talking here. Rotation was said to be more impenetrable than Gaara's sand. A massive explosion(C3) couldn't get past Gaara's sand. I fail to see Lariat would get past

Whoa whoa, so are you arguing that chuunin exam Neji can block C3 with his kaiten and come out unharmed? There's a far smaller difference between part 1 neji and hiashi than there is vs Chuunin exam KN0 naruto and V1 Bee let alone V2 bee.

Hiashi is the only one asides Gai and Rock Lee that has a 5 in taijutsu. Lel is that the point of one blow body?
Anyways common sense is required here. textbook example? Lol this is proof you didn't read the page I showed so I'll show it again

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*things made from chakra would be destroyed by putting chakra into them* and is useless before the gentle fist. the onmyoudon example didn't make any sense at all lmao. What relevance? It can't be touched without the Sage's chakra. How does that compare to the chakra shroud. Lol. PS would kill Hiashi but if he can touch it, would pierce through since it has chakra flowing in it. The examples you gave made no sense at all.

Wait, so you're literally saying that if kid neji could touch PS, he could destroy it? kid neji oneshots shinsuusenjuuu as well?

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. By what reason logic or evidence does that allow him to cut through things far more durable, or comprised of far more chakra than those webs?

Man why do you argue this still when it has been shown incoming attacks can also be deflected while he is rotating. He doesn't necessarily have to stop first. It's the same thing. He release chakra which stops the attack, spins with that same chakra he used which expands and sends the attack flying away.

Exactly, thus if it's the same thing, then him emitting chakra and then rotating when naruto's punch comes into contact with his emmitted chakra means that the same thing would happen if he started the rotation earlier.

 

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Lee's attacks on sasuke weren't linear, yet the 2 tomoe sharingan was able to read them, sasuke's body was simply unable to physically react so it doesn't only predict linear attacks. If sasuke has the same speed as lee, and the databook doesn't take into account powerups like the sharingan or gates, yet lee gets a far greater taijutsu stat, then obviously the taijutsu stat =/= physical reactions. And bringing up gates is irrelevant since the only thing you've used to support your argument is databook stats.

False bro, False

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Sasuke 2t never read it. That's proof. DB gave Lee higher speed and Taijutsu even with no powerups. Bro you said it yourself "physical" reaction which is obviously under taijutsu. Let's not forget something, Lee said

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"Back then" and then says you have the same body speed I "had". He fought Sasuke with his weights on. So he's referring to his body speed when they fought. If not, he would have said "have" and Kakashi even said Sasuke copied Lee's taijutsu during their experience.

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You've just attacked a strawman. I didn't say you assumed neji slowed down, I said you assumed that slowing down was a decision that neji made, and not a result of the many spears hitting his shield. You didn't address the argument of that post that neji was trying his hardest to spin as fast as he could, but his rotation was being slowed by the high number of mokutons that came into contact with it. Thus his rotation will slow if its hit with enough force.

And Lol I never said he made a decision to slow down. Why would he? Lol. Anyways I countered with proof already as shown with his headband and him stopping in the next scan

Um, i'm giving it limits despite the fact that we haven't seen the limits because I believe that kaiten DOES HAVE LIMITS. Kaiten is going up against a powerful attack in this thread, unless you believe that Kaiten can block any attack no matter how powerful, then you have a burden of proof to show that Kaiten can knock away the attacks that killer bee can throw at it. The link you gave isn't of neji using kaiten or the chakra he emits before using kaiten since he doesn't just 'alter the momentum' or change the direction of a technique with that chakra, he does that burst of chakra to stop the technique. Finally, if neji's emitted chakra can't stop an attack like that, then obviously he's going to rotate almost instantly after it comes into contact with his chakra. Thus he rotated immediately after naruto's attack came into contact with his chakra. So once gain, it's neji's emitted chakra + rotation > rotation, and thus even if he's rotating from the getgo, he'll take at least as much damage as he did if he first tries to stop the attack and then rotate.

Lol false. The link I gave you shows he was using kaiten but it was stoping so it altered its movement. If what you were saying was true,

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Neji would have been caught up by the webs if he stopped earlier. Kido aimed for Neji while he was stopping because that's the only way Neji would be vunerable but Neji managed to alter it while kaiten was ending.

Wait a second, if it does have limits, then what are they? I've already compellingly proven to you that bigger =/= more powerful, bigger AoE =/= more powerful against a singular entity, and the juubi's arm in that instance was nothing compared to what we've seen it do before.

It blocks physical attacks. Once again Lariat isn't getting past Hiashi's rotation. You go on about how strong it is but nothing suggest ot can. I've explained over and over agin with the ten tails. It's able to deflect the ten tails hand in motion forcing it to bounce back. Nothing suggest Lariat can get through. Nothing.

That's not all you're saying. You've literally said that because we haven't seen the limits of the rotation, then it repels lariat. That's a textbook no limits fallacy. And my arguments aren't trying to convince you, since anyone who doesn't want to be convinced can just claim 'well that argument isn't convincing' no matter how ridiculously implausible the alternative argument is or how much evidence is for that said argument.
GM's footsteps didnt' even hit those shinobi directly, they were sent flying from the mere collisions between the footsteps and the ground, and hell yes V1 lariat is far more powerful than GM's footsteps you can clearly see that by comparing

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Because of what it did to the ground? What about it not breaking Sasuke's bones as well but just blowing of his chest and neck

no shadow clone was made till after the explosion

Not referring to that time. The first time Kaiten was used.

neji began his kaiten while naruto was talking

No he started while Naruto covered the distance. Not even focused he was just listening to everything Naruto was saying and used kaiten when he got closer.

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that's how rotation works.

No. Man you don't get it. Your first scan was cuz Neji was caught off guard with shadow clones

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I've explained this how many times man. The chakra is released from the chakra openings and he spins away and so it's like a rotating chakra shield. Basically, the same thing but the spinning is the chakra coming into play as a shield. Even though attacks come, they would be deflected by the process cuz the chakra has already been released and he's spinning while the same chakra that stops the attack is a rotating shield. If what you are saying is true, only the first attacks would be deflected and incoming attacks when he's rotating would not. When he's rotating that's when it's a shield that stops attack and blasts them away
Are just arguing this or you truly find it hard to get?

That's absolutely not what I'm saying. For the fourth time, I've argued via comparison of naruto's hit to neji's kaiton vs Bee's lariat to hiashi's kaiten that the lariat would get through. So what if the lariat didn't blow through Sasuke's body, I'm sure kn0 naruto's hit would have done far less to neji, yet it was still powerful enough to greatly damage neji through his kaiten.

Lel so it couldn't only blow his chest and neck of but his bones were still there?

Whoa whoa, so are you arguing that chuunin exam Neji can block C3 with his kaiten and come out unharmed? There's a far smaller difference between part 1 neji and hiashi than there is vs Chuunin exam KN0 naruto and V1 Bee let alone V2 bee.

I never said chuunin Neji could deflect it. Kaiten was said to have more power, that is to be more impenetrable that Gaara sand shield. What is there to argue?
Point is Kaiten is stronger than the sand shield so what can't penetrate the sand shield, can't penetrate Kaiten.

Wait, so you're literally saying that if kid neji could touch PS, he could destroy it? kid neji oneshots shinsuusenjuuu as well?

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. By what reason logic or evidence does that allow him to cut through things far more durable, or comprised of far more chakra than those webs?

Lol If PS is standing there doing nothing and wants to test if Neji can. You're making a big deal out of it and trying to make it seem like I'm comparing kid Neji to PS and SS. Smh get real.Do you even read the scans? Obviously PS destroys any hyuuga.

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ANYTHING made of chakra would be destroyed by putting chakra into it. Mentioning PS and the hyuugas in one sentence is not something I'll like to do because they are outclassed but anything made of chakra would be destroyed and is meaningless before gentle fist. As simple as that. How about Neji also cutting through the web easily with his body despite the arrow being shot at him?

Exactly, thus if it's the same thing, then him emitting chakra and then rotating when naruto's punch comes into contact with his emmitted chakra means that the same thing would happen if he started the rotation earlier.

Lol what is this? I already told you. It's the same chakra that's rotating. If he's rotating and the attack comes, that same chakra which would initially stop it would be the same chakra that would blast it away while spinning. The only difference is the chakra rotating sends the attack flying. Or are you saying they're different? False.

Meh B wins.
I had fun though. I've seen the outcome would be different but I did enjoy this debate.