Hiashi could probably beat sage mode Naruto

[Guntah]

Then what is making the whole thing because everytime I look at this picture you can clearly see it is a complete circle before crater in the middle which means the chakra is being expel in a complete circle and let me change tactics can you prove that I'm wrong

The chakra underneath their feet is still in effect. Its digging into the ground as they spin and wearing it away to create a crater. Kind of like when you run your feet through a sandy ground and you wear it away slightly.

 

[neosmith500]

Why would it not be stronger with the grinding? Against a human opponent, I can see it being not as effective, but that kind of force is already within the Rasengan, it doesn't need to build up to be blasted into the enemy, unlike the Rotation, which grows in power as its formed. As for the Rasengan's...well, just look at its clash against the Chidori. The Chidori should logically pierce straight through the Rasengan's rotating chakra if it had no force pulling it back and preventing it from doing so. Yet, not matter how many times the two jutsu clash, the Chidori is prevented from getting through it because the blast of its clashing jutsu, which pushes it back as soon as they clash.

I know that this kind of force is still within its capability , but wat im trying to argue is the fact that Rotation would repel the raw chakra with its jyuken perk , likely destabilize the tech and blow it away on impact unlike chidori , while at the same time naturally deflecting it.

 

[Guntah]

I know that this kind of force is still within its capability , but wat im trying to argue is the fact that Rotation would repel the raw chakra with its jyuken perk , likely destabilize the tech and blow it away on impact unlike chidori , while at the same time naturally deflecting it.

And I am arguing that the Rasengan has the strength to push back and prevent itself from being repelled with equal if not superior force.

 

[neosmith500]

And I am arguing that the Rasengan has the strength to push back and prevent itself from being repelled with equal if not superior force.

I know and i understand ur claim , but im using the fact that Kaiten literally has the ability to knock away/repel chakra itself , which is a attribute beyond its basic ability to deflect with spinning force.

 

[Guntah]

I know and i understand ur claim , but im using the fact that Kaiten literally has the ability to knock away/repel chakra itself , which is a attribute beyond its basic ability to deflect with spinning force.

Thus we have the Kaiten's ability to repel chakra pushing back the Rasengan against the Rasengan's ability to push back stuff pushing against the Kaiten.

 

[neosmith500]

Thus we have the Kaiten's ability to repel chakra pushing back the Rasengan against the Rasengan's ability to push back stuff pushing against the Kaiten.

Thus we have Kaitens Natural ability to divert with spinning force , + its ability to repel things made of raw chakra , which means kaiten has two things going for it while rasengan has one.

For example , if u gave rasengan the ability to repel chakra like kaiten does slong with its natural ability , then things like chidori would get blasted away on impact with zero struggle at all.

 

[unknownvillain1254]

The chakra underneath their feet is still in effect. Its digging into the ground as they spin and wearing it away to create a crater. Kind of like when you run your feet through a sandy ground and you wear it away slightly.

Okay when a ninja walks on water what do you think is keeping him on top of the water is chakra so basically the ninja is sitting on top of his own chakra the same rules apply

 

[Observer]

Close Combat isn't an option.Frog kata is obviously superior
Vaccum Palm may do the trick but don't see why naruto cannot dodge it.
SM naruto mid diffs at most

Gun > kickboxing

 

[Guntah]

Okay when a ninja walks on water what do you think is keeping him on top of the water is chakra so basically the ninja is sitting on top of his own chakra the same rules apply

One thing is walking on water where you have a surface to stand, another is floating.

 

[Guntah]

Thus we have Kaitens Natural ability to divert with spinning force , + its ability to repel things made of raw chakra , which means kaiten has two things going for it while rasengan has one.

For example , if u gave rasengan the ability to repel chakra like kaiten does slong with its natural ability , then things like chidori would get blasted away on impact with zero struggle at all.

A normal Rasengan would be blasted away, but this is a big ass Rasengan empowered by Senjutsu. A normal Kaiten would stand no chance against it, the only reason there would be a struggle at all here is because Hiashi's the one using it.

 

[neosmith500]

A normal Rasengan would be blasted away, but this is a big ass Rasengan empowered by Senjutsu. A normal Kaiten would stand no chance against it, the only reason there would be a struggle at all here is because Hiashi's the one using it.

Been jumping around so many rasengan debates that i forgot that this is SM , yea with Senjutsu i could see that playing a hand in helping the rasengan to keep its structure , but still Senjutsu Chakra is still Chakra so its still the basic odama but amped and the size is irrelevant since Chakra repel is a Jyuken perk attributed to kaiten + , this atop kaitens natural deflection generated for the spin is wat im saying will defeat the Rasengan since the rasengan is only using force , unlike Kaiten.

How do u think Odama Rasengan would bypass its ability to repel chakra?

 

[Jiren]

A normal Rasengan would be blasted away, but this is a big ass Rasengan empowered by Senjutsu. A normal Kaiten would stand no chance against it, the only reason there would be a struggle at all here is because Hiashi's the one using it.

That attack wouldn't lands anyways. Rotation negs and Naruto can't throw those.