Hebi vs 4th Raikage

[SadSasuke]

Alright, so Sasuke BEFORE he got awoke the Susano'o lost to Killer Bee and NEVER used Kirin.
Ay is weaker than Killer Bee, so instead of using Taka, I will put him up against Hebi (whom are allowed to use Kirin and Cursemark).
Who'll win?

Scenario 1: Base Raikage
Scenario 2: Lighting Armor V1 Raikage
Scenario 3: Lighting Armor V2 Raikage

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[LustyLover]

Sasuke should be able to win all scenarios. Because of CM2 his durability skyrocketed by a huge margin; he's been slammed into mountains, engulfed by Katons, and hit by things that would of easily one-shotted any normal shinobi. At the least Sasuke takes scenario one and two. A Raiton-enhanced Kusanagi blade should be able to definitely pierce Ay's V1 cloak and Sasuke's more than able to keep up with his speed in that version.

 

[Blackdeath667]

loses to V2

 

[lanakui8]

Loses to V2.

Against base or V1, Sasuke's CS2 black chidori would kill Ei considering his normal chidori was strong enough to at least give Ei a small wound.

Sasuke can't do the same thing against V2 and considering CS2 juugo got a hole punched in his chest after BLOCKING V1 Ei's punch, Sasuke is not going to be able to block V2 Ei's hits without taking a lot of damage even in his CS2 state.

 

[LuckyMan]

I'm not sure about scenario 1.

I know Ay wins the last 2 neg-low difficulty though.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Raikage takes scenario 2 mid-high diff, mid-diffs scenario 3

Sasuke didn't show any cm2 enhanced chidori in part 2 so I doubt it will make much of a difference.

 

[Tarinth]

Sasuke can't keep up with V2. It's why he had to use Susanoo.
Without a cloak for Ay, Sasuke solos low-mid diff.
V1 would be extreme high diff for Sasuke alone. Mid-high diff the whole team.
Ay wins with V2 mid diff.

 

[Gagster]

Hebi loses all scenarios badly.

 

[lanakui8]

Raikage takes scenario 2 mid-high diff, mid-diffs scenario 3

Sasuke didn't show any cm2 enhanced chidori in part 2 so I doubt it will make much of a difference.

so hebi sasuke is less skilled with chidori and the cursed seal than he was 2.5 years earlier? seems legit.

 

[LuckyMan]

so hebi sasuke is less skilled with chidori and the cursed seal than he was 2.5 years earlier? seems legit.

He's not less skilled, just that nothing he has is going through V1-V2.

 

[lanakui8]

He's not less skilled, just that nothing he has is going through V1-V2.

why would a black chidori not kill V1 Ei when his far less powerful normal chidori can penetrate Ei's flesh

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[Rιver]

Why isn't Genjutsu factored?​

 

[LuckyMan]

why would a black chidori not kill V1 Ei when his far less powerful normal chidori can penetrate Ei's flesh

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Where did you do the math that proved his black chidori has (X) times more penetrating power and would be enough to go through Ay? His black Chidori has no feats, he never used it in part 2. This is like saying Minato's stage 3 FTG (The move we never seen) would have been enough to put Jubito out of commission because his stage 2 FTG put Obito out of commission. Both moves have no feats, we never seen them (besides part 1 but that was on beginner Naruto rasengan level). That's all I'm saying.

 

[lanakui8]

Where did you do the math that proved his black chidori has (X) times more penetrating power and would be enough to go through Ay?

by scaling his black chidori in part 1 to his normal chidori in part 1....

the result of

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was damage on a completely different scale than sasuke and naruto's

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Sasuke's chidori only had to penetrate Ei's chest a few more inches in order to heavily wound him.

His black Chidori has no feats, he never used it in part 2. This is like saying Minato's stage 3 FTG (The move we never seen) would have been enough to put Jubito out of commission because his stage 2 FTG put Obito out of commission. Both moves have no feats, we never seen them (besides part 1 but that was on beginner Naruto rasengan level). That's all I'm saying.

It's not the same thing. With black chidori vs regular chidori it's just a linear measure of the power of each jutsu vs defense. 3 FTG and 2 FTG actually beating someone has way more factors such as what jutsu minato uses to beat someone, how those techniques work, etc.

 

[LuckyMan]

by scaling his black chidori in part 1 to his normal chidori in part 1....

the result of

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was damage on a completely different scale than sasuke and naruto's

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Sasuke's chidori only had to penetrate Ei's chest a few more inches in order to heavily wound him.

Thats the combined power of Kyuubi Rasengan and Black Chidori, that made that sphere. The attack itself has no feats for us to scale how much damage it would do, besides the other obvious fact that Sasuke's black chidori has not been seen in part 2, even with him in CS2 mode.

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke wins mid diff in the first scenario. CS2 gives the durability to block Ay's attacks in Base and Sasuke should have the speed advantage here since Ay lacks his Armor, so this ends with him running Ay through with Chidori. Scenario 2 is the same. He can still block Ay's attacks, but the speed is more equal here, and a black Chidori>>>a normal Chidori, so it pierces Ay and kills him since the regular one got through his armor and left a flesh wound.

V2 beats him though. He'd Shunshin to Sasuke and Liger Bomb him into oblivion. Without Susanoo he isn't tanking that.

 

[lanakui8]

Thats the combined power of Kyuubi Rasengan and Black Chidori, that made that sphere.

yeah and it's being compared to the combined power of the normal rasengan and normal chidori, so what's the problem?

The attack itself has no feats for us to scale how much damage it would do, besides the other obvious fact that Sasuke's black chidori has not been seen in part 2, even with him in CS2 mode.

The attack itself does have feats, we've seen how powerful the combined explosion of it and an equally powerful rasengan are. You scale that to the combined power of a normal rasengan and normal chidori and that tells you the difference between a normal chidori and black chidori.

It doesn't matter if he didn't use it in part 2 unless you are arguing that him not using it is some kind of evidence that he can't use it, to which I'd ask "why"?

 

[SadSasuke]

Alright kids, enough incoherent arguments; let's just say they both die in the last round. Everybody's happy, huh?
Also, remembah; It's not just Sasuke, but the whole Hebi Team.
In my opinion, Suigetsu alone could take out the Raikage if he transforms into Giant Bubbles/Demon Fish (the transformation that DEFEATED the 8 Tailed-Beast in raw strength and SURVIVED a Bijuudama)

[video=youtube;PAnUQG-PQAc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAnUQG-PQAc[/video]
If this bad-boy fought the Raikage, along with Sasuke's Manda, the former would lose in a nutshell. Hell yeah.

 

[DMT]

The 4th stomps 3 and 2, he takes 1 with high difficulty

 

[Haizaki]

If Manda is restricted, Scenario 2 could go either way with Ay being my vote. 3 is a comfortable win for Ay but he loses 1 low diff. Sasuke and Ay both ran at each other making it easier for Sasuke to counter due to his sharingan as he said about such movements

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. I don't really see that happening if Ay has intel. It could go either way with V1.

V2 would blitz. Sasuke couldn't react to V2 ay but rather shielded himself with susanoo ribs for protection since he could follow the raikage's movement.