Hebi Sasuke was not kage level!!!

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

The fight will be a mid/high diff fight in Sasuke's favor. Genjutsu apart from Kirin does damage. The user casts Genjutsu on the Byagoku user and then he will put her to sleep. After that he will take the advantage. This is a regular genjutsu and the same he used against Sakura.

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Also Chidori Nagashi works if he gets within range.



The exact time reference to when he got the Hawk Summon isn't mentioned but I think it is only fair in ambiguous scenarios to give them their entire skill set according to that mode. While it's true that Sasuke doesn't have Deidara's Explosive KKG, he can simply invent it off his own. He can use Kirin as that explosive to damage Gaara's shield. Sasuke's Kirin does more damage than Deidara's C4 so if Gaara could barely stop his regular clay detonating device by making bigger clay birds what's to say that Sasuke can't do the same.

Gaara uses up a lot of sand from his gourd against explosives. That is a sign of his weakness. Since he is tiring himself out by blocking the bigger impact attacks, he is missing the smaller ones. Kirin can penetrate through that shield easily destroying it. Gaara is a long ranged user but so is Sasuke. He will at least want to keep a 5m distance to avoid being touched by his Chidori Stream. For long ranged users to battle against each other I don't see why the terrain causes a huge impact. I agree if you are a CQC fighter, you are at a disadvantage. Like for Deidara the landscape didn't bother him because he is a long ranged fighter. If Sasuke fights long ranged and then closes in the distance, Gaara's sand will not be able to keep up.

The hawk wasnt used until taka sasuke and the other taka members commented they had never seen it before the first time he used it. If he had it in the hebi days he would have used it in his fight with deidara since he was a sitting duck the whole fight. For long ranged attacks sasuke doesnt have much that wouldnt be negated by gaaras sand. Gaara literally specializes in long range jutsu i doubt sasuke would want to stay far away for long. As for kirin, it requires some prep. Imo kirin is sasukes best chance in the fight, but the likelyhood of him being able to use it is very low if they are fighting in a desert. Not only that but without a hawk to get around gaara has way better mobility with his sand.

In my opinion gaara would win in the desert. Outside of the desert sasuke has a better chance. Deidara was barely able to beat gaara with a way to fly around, he lost an arm. Ive been arguing with the presumption sasuke doesnt have the hawk summon though. I figured that was the case since it was hebi sasuke, not taka sasuke. The fight would go differently if he could fly around. Being on the ground against gaara is very dangerous especially if youre in a desert.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

The fight will be a mid/high diff fight in Sasuke's favor. Genjutsu apart from Kirin does damage. The user casts Genjutsu on the Byagoku user and then he will put her to sleep. After that he will take the advantage. This is a regular genjutsu and the same he used against Sakura.

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Also Chidori Nagashi works if he gets within range.



The exact time reference to when he got the Hawk Summon isn't mentioned but I think it is only fair in ambiguous scenarios to give them their entire skill set according to that mode. While it's true that Sasuke doesn't have Deidara's Explosive KKG, he can simply invent it off his own. He can use Kirin as that explosive to damage Gaara's shield. Sasuke's Kirin does more damage than Deidara's C4 so if Gaara could barely stop his regular clay detonating device by making bigger clay birds what's to say that Sasuke can't do the same.

Gaara uses up a lot of sand from his gourd against explosives. That is a sign of his weakness. Since he is tiring himself out by blocking the bigger impact attacks, he is missing the smaller ones. Kirin can penetrate through that shield easily destroying it. Gaara is a long ranged user but so is Sasuke. He will at least want to keep a 5m distance to avoid being touched by his Chidori Stream. For long ranged users to battle against each other I don't see why the terrain causes a huge impact. I agree if you are a CQC fighter, you are at a disadvantage. Like for Deidara the landscape didn't bother him because he is a long ranged fighter. If Sasuke fights long ranged and then closes in the distance, Gaara's sand will not be able to keep up.

All chidori forms do nothing against Tsunade if byakugou is activated.

secondly what if gaara shields himself with both the desert sand and his gourd sand to counter kirin?

That might have missed the spine... That's inconclusive

Really!?

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

The hawk wasnt used until taka sasuke and the other taka members commented they had never seen it before the first time he used it. If he had it in the hebi days he would have used it in his fight with deidara since he was a sitting duck the whole fight. For long ranged attacks sasuke doesnt have much that wouldnt be negated by gaaras sand. Gaara literally specializes in long range jutsu i doubt sasuke would want to stay far away for long. As for kirin, it requires some prep. Imo kirin is sasukes best chance in the fight, but the likelyhood of him being able to use it is very low if they are fighting in a desert. Not only that but without a hawk to get around gaara has way better mobility with his sand.

In my opinion gaara would win in the desert. Outside of the desert sasuke has a better chance. Deidara was barely able to beat gaara with a way to fly around, he lost an arm. Ive been arguing with the presumption sasuke doesnt have the hawk summon though. I figured that was the case since it was hebi sasuke, not taka sasuke. The fight would go differently if he could fly around. Being on the ground against gaara is very dangerous especially if youre in a desert.

I get what you're saying but can't Sasuke buy himself prep time in order to use Kirin. He has to manipulate Katon. Whether it be sunny or cloudy by manipulation the atmosphere Sasuke can easily cast Kirin. In a desert the atmosphere is even warmer than it was at the Uchiha Hideout. This would reduce Sasuke's prep time assuming they are fighting at Gaara's hometown. Gaara is a long ranged user but to combat a long ranged user like him, caution and long ranged attacks must both be used. Sasuke has developed a high level of analysis from his training with Orochimaru so Sasuke can evade his attacks with a hawk assuming that even he might lose a hand. Without any flying summon, I don't see how anyone beats Gaara at the desert from his generation.

I was trying to give Sasuke the benefit of the doubt for where he can officially use his hawk because for all we know he could've gotten the summoning contract before Shippuden only to later reveal it in his fight with Danzo.

Yes if Sasuke had no mode of transport he would lose mid diff. Manda doesn't help here.

All chidori forms do nothing against Tsunade if byakugou is activated.

secondly what if gaara shields himself with both the desert sand and his gourd sand to counter kirin?

Doesn't the Chidori attacks make her go numb if hit. I can see her tanking it but not if Sasuke can spam those Chidori variant attacks. Also you didn't answer to when I brought up genjutsu. Sasuke can use a Sharingan genjutsu to put a Byakogou user into submission. You see Genjutsu works as Sakura passed out immediately and couldn't call Katsuyu to break her out of it.

@ second point. It doesn't matter how much shield of sand he brings Kirin travels at the speed of light and pierces through the top defenses in the NV.

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[Darth AniCetuS]

Hebi Sasuke was high jounin level.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

I get what you're saying but can't Sasuke buy himself prep time in order to use Kirin. He has to manipulate Katon. Whether it be sunny or cloudy by manipulation the atmosphere Sasuke can easily cast Kirin. In a desert the atmosphere is even warmer than it was at the Uchiha Hideout. This would reduce Sasuke's prep time assuming they are fighting at Gaara's hometown. Gaara is a long ranged user but to combat a long ranged user like him, caution and long ranged attacks must both be used. Sasuke has developed a high level of analysis from his training with Orochimaru so Sasuke can evade his attacks with a hawk assuming that even he might lose a hand. Without any flying summon, I don't see how anyone beats Gaara at the desert from his generation.

I was trying to give Sasuke the benefit of the doubt for where he can officially use his hawk because for all we know he could've gotten the summoning contract before Shippuden only to later reveal it in his fight with Danzo.

Yes if Sasuke had no mode of transport he would lose mid diff. Manda doesn't help here.



Doesn't the Chidori attacks make her go numb of hit. I can see her tanking it but not if Sasuke can spam those Chidori variant attacks. Also you didn't answer to when I brought up genjutsu. Sasuke can use a Sharingan genjutsu to put a Byakogou user into submission. You see Genjutsu works as Sakura passed out immediately and couldn't call Katsuyu to break her out of it.

@ second point. It doesn't matter how much shield of sand he brings Kirin travels at the speed of light and pierces through the top defenses in the NV.

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The genjutsu Is a non contributor at all.the scan shown was of sasuke casting a sharinnegan genjutsu, so it's invalid here.Hebi sasuke's genjutsu can easily be countered as shown by deidara in their fight.Sakura who was Tsunade student was able to counter basic genjutsu, which Is exactly what hebi sasuke' s is, early shippuden.So it's logical to assume a Sannin and hokage is more than capable of replicating deidaras feat.

 

[shelke]

Hebi Sasuke is mid to high Kage tier. There wasn't a Kage on the summit that he cannot beat. Hiruzen gets humiliated. Tsunade loses. Tobirama has one shitty Suiton tech and that's just about it. His paper bombs is a suicide tech according to the Databook four. So, what else has he got? Oh wait, nothing. Hashirama isn't even Kage tier. You cannot even put that guy in these tiers. So, it's pointless to even discuss him.

Hebi Sasuke has flight, CS2 (fully capable of completely deflecting a large C2 bombs blast AND shockwave) and a powerful summon. And SM Naruto isn't beating him with his shitty 2 FRS' either, which Paths with poor speed feats were doging left and right like no body's buisness. The only path that even fell in it was the one who helped another one out.

Hebi Sasuke defeated Deidara AND Tobi laying the mines whilst severely holding back. Gaara is taken out by Genjutsu alone.

 

[YellowFang]

If Gaara can be a Kage, surely Hebi Sasuke can be one...

And Kage level isn't some strict power-level, it shows the power-index of one village.
E.g. Gaara from Sand, Onohki from Rock shows that Sand village is overall comprehensively weaker than Rock village.
Because they have better and stronger shinobi to choose the new Kage from...

 

[~Ethereal~]

I think he was high jounin...if he had one more technique similar to Kirin but more lethal, then he would have been Kage level as he got the right amount of resources and wits.

 

[DemiNaruto]

If Gaara can be a Kage, surely Hebi Sasuke can be one...

And Kage level isn't some strict power-level, it shows the power-index of one village.
E.g. Gaara from Sand, Onohki from Rock shows that Sand village is overall comprehensively weaker than Rock village.
Because they have better and stronger shinobi to choose the new Kage from...

Hebi Sasuke is high jounin level not kage. He can't beat any of the current or previous kage at that level. MS Sasuke is mid tier kage level, he can beat some but not the high tier ones. Gara only lost to deidara because he was saving his village, a battle away from the village nd the outcome will be diff

 

[shelke]

Hebi Sasuke is high jounin level not kage. He can't beat any of the current or previous kage at that level. MS Sasuke is mid tier kage level, he can beat some but not the high tier ones. Gara only lost to deidara because he was saving his village, a battle away from the village nd the outcome will be diff

Gaara lost to Deidara who didn't even use C2 againt him. Deidara wasn't even trying and he beat Gaara horribly when he had the geographical advantage. Did he even use use C1 against him? Haha, he really didn't.

He basically steam-rolled Gaara with base level homing Chakra bombs and only used C3 on the village (not on Gaara). Whereas, Sasuke easily dodged all his C1, C2 and C4 attacks which work on "speed" as it allowed him to keep Sasuke on his toes.

 

[UnknownJin]

someone is mad... U MAD BRO?

 

[KISSame]

Hebi sauce is the best sauce. Destroys team 7 without using his transformation or best jutsu (also pre oro absorb) I only started to like sauce at the start of pt2, I put him at very high jonin/low kage.

 

[DemiNaruto]

Gaara lost to Deidara who didn't even use C2 againt him. Deidara wasn't even trying and he beat Gaara horribly when he had the geographical advantage. Did he even use use C1 against him? Haha, he really didn't.

He basically steam-rolled Gaara with base level homing Chakra bombs and only used C3 on the village (not on Gaara). Whereas, Sasuke easily dodged all his C1, C2 and C4 attacks which work on "speed" as it allowed him to keep Sasuke on his toes.

Didn't deidara state that he knew Gara would use his absolute defence sand to protect the village which gave him the opportunity and advantage. Yall keep refuting that. He could've use c4, it still wouldn't had penetrated especially if he incorporated shikaku in is defence. I don't get what you don't understand

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

High Jounin = Salt to....
Wow....XD

 

[Mikeuhsomething36]

Hebi Sasuke is low kage level. Hebi Sasuke>kage kakashi, just facts :th:
On a serious note any of the juubi arc kage would actually smash Hebi Sasuke...

 

[Beauty Busty Beast]

How does Tsunade alone neg Hebi Sasuke. Sasuke has Kirin which travels at the speed of light shattering her and Katsuyu. On top of that his reflexes are fast. Your argument around Tsunade just involves summons. Summons are only one part of the battle but not the entire fight. No Katsuyu alone would have been beaten by Manda as that snake would have crushed it to bits.

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Now Hebi Sasuke is a Kage level shinobi. He beat Deidara who in turn beat the Kazekage Gaara. Yes Hebi Sasuke is also much stronger than early Pt 2 Gaara before he refined his skills.

So you are wrong my beloved dear.
Kirin is not travelling with the speed of light, it's ratherthe speed of lightning That's far inferior to the speed of light.

 

[Lord Tywin]

The only Kates he beats are Mei and Tsunade. Early shippuden Gaara takes a massive shit on Hebi Sasuke, if the location is right

 

[Claymantan]

So you are wrong my beloved dear.
Kirin is not travelling with the speed of light, it's ratherthe speed of lightning That's far inferior to the speed of light.

Is 1/3rd the speed of light really all that inferior :|

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

The genjutsu Is a non contributor at all.the scan shown was of sasuke casting a sharinnegan genjutsu, so it's invalid here.Hebi sasuke's genjutsu can easily be countered as shown by deidara in their fight.Sakura who was Tsunade student was able to counter basic genjutsu, which Is exactly what hebi sasuke' s is, early shippuden.So it's logical to assume a Sannin and hokage is more than capable of replicating deidaras feat.

But the fact is that Sakura wasn't able to counter Sharingan Genjutsu and that Kakashi had to break her out of it. Yes Deidara broke out of it but Sakura a Byagoku user couldn't do it. I don't care if she has the potential to do it because I didn't come here to debate hypotheticals. The fact of the matter is that despite having Byagoku she couldn't counter Sharingan Genjutsu. Tsunade gets affected the same way unless you have a panel of her breaking out of it.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Well done OP, well done. :elmo: