Hebi Sasuke was not kage level!!!

[Jokule67]

This is what pissed me off, someone like Itachi should have been groomed for the Hokage position instead of ANBU. Tobirma limited their involvement in politics which led them to feel discriminated, they had every right to rebel.

Kakashi was anbu too thats what ninja do. But you right about the politics thing. Uchiha had it bad. Everyone else become one village while they were kinda forced to be a secluded clan.

 

[Jokule67]

• Genjustu is useless because Katsuyu easily breaks her out of it. Not to mention she battled 5 legged susano and thats 10 sharingan eyes and did not allow herself to get caught.
• Needs prep that Tsunade would never allow for. She has more stamina and chakra so while Sasuke is tried she can continuously come at him.
• She touched Madara Uchiha two times. Yet Hebi Sasuke will give her problems. I do not think so.

You sir bring a good arguement. I wonder what the other will say.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

Lol that guy doesnt even realize what hes trying to argue. Anyone being honest would agree that it would at least be a close fight, and in the desert heavily in garaas favor.

I don't see how Hebi Sasuke vs Early Part 2 Gaara would be close at all. I believe Hebi Sasuke is tiers above his teammates who took the Chunin Exams with him.

Give Gaara his homefield advantage and there is still no guarantee that he isn't the one with the disadvantage. Sasuke has a Hawk Summon so yes he can fly around like Deidara did with his Clay Bird. Gaara is weak against long ranged attacks and especially against explosives. Sasuke can create a huge explosive by manipulating his Raiton chakra and using it to get past Gaara's shield. As long as he has the hawk summon he can run around at will.

 

[kimb]

He was old since the manga started and yet is confirmed that he was the strongest at the time of his prime which included the 3rd raikage.

Hiruzen was just old. There are plenty scans literally telling you how strong he is.

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It is hype but simultaneously its manga fact

Remember how the manga also stated Kakashi knows over one thousand jutsu? We all know how that turned out. Manga fact? More like manga hype. :bdpf:

 

[Jokule67]

Honest mistake, its like 4 in the morning and I haven't slept yet. Cut me some slack...

I still think Hebi Sasuke takes Gaara tho. :bdpf:

I feel you bro Im bout to KO myself

 

[Jokule67]

Remember how the manga also stated Kakashi knows over one thousand jutsu? We all know how that turned out. Manga fact? More like manga hype. :bdpf:

Lol Touche on that one I'm still upset to this day I didnt get to see Kakashi pawn those swordsmen with his gazillion jutsus

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

He was old since the manga started and yet is confirmed that he was the strongest at the time of his prime which included the 3rd raikage.

Hiruzen was just old. There are plenty scans literally telling you how strong he is.

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It is hype but simultaneously its manga fact

People ignore this and say where are the feats at. Because fighting 2 edo tensei kage and orochimaru, and managing to seal the kage and take down oro, all the while way past his prime,'isnt a feat. Power scaling was different in part 1 and things changed a bit as the series moved on. It makes hiruzen look weaker than he actually is.

 

[Uzumaki Death god]

Ok man, she's not immortal to be invincible. Madara's PS slash decimated her but she had enough chakra to summon Katsuyu to reattach her body. If Madara completely took out Tsunade's chakra she is a goner. Casual blows don't impact her however fatal blows do. Pain weakened her with his Shinra Tensei and yes that did come close to killing her but I don't see why you are saying that standing there and tanking all of the hits = invincible. I feel like you are underrating Hebi Sasuke here and not just by a small margin but by a lot.

I think it's more you overestimating him.i don't think tsunade would nehh hebi,more like high diff but you on the other hand are implying he neggs.which I can't seem to understand cause bar kirin, what other jutsu does hebi have to cause real damage to a tsunade that has the healing capabilities of katsuyu and the byakugou seal?

 

[Jokule67]

I think it's more you overestimating him.i don't think tsunade would nehh hebi,more like high diff but you on the other hand are implying he neggs.which I can't seem to understand cause bar kirin, what other jutsu does hebi have to cause real damage to a tsunade that has the healing capabilities of katsuyu and the byakugou seal?

None tbh Sasuke cant hurt Tsunade besides Kirin. Maybe he can numb her movements but the seal may overcome that

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

I don't see how Hebi Sasuke vs Early Part 2 Gaara would be close at all. I believe Hebi Sasuke is tiers above his teammates who took the Chunin Exams with him.

Give Gaara his homefield advantage and there is still no guarantee that he isn't the one with the disadvantage. Sasuke has a Hawk Summon so yes he can fly around like Deidara did with his Clay Bird. Gaara is weak against long ranged attacks and especially against explosives. Sasuke can create a huge explosive by manipulating his Raiton chakra and using it to get past Gaara's shield. As long as he has the hawk summon he can run around at will.

I dont remember whenexactly he got the hawk summon. I didnt think it was til later on. Either way long ranged jutsu is garaas specialty and not really sasukes. Him being weak to explosives was relevent against deidara but raiton doesnt = deidaras explosive KKG. He cant just spontaneously make explosions in the same way deidara did and gaara isnt even necessarily weak to explosives. Deidera had to go out of his way to get the explosives past gaaras sheid. Youre crazy if you think being in the desert changes nothing.


Edit: the hawk summon wasnt until taka sasuke.'it isnt known exactly when he got it but if i recall correctly the other members of taka commented on never having seen it the first time it was used. I wouldnt think hebi sasuke had the contract since it wouldve been quite useful in his fight against deidara, he was on the ground like a sitting duck the whole time.

 

[RedRobin]

None tbh Sasuke cant hurt Tsunade besides Kirin. Maybe he can numb her movements but the seal may overcome that

Byakugo makes her a freak of nature. Her spine was destroyed yet she was jumping and moving as if her spine was perfectly intact. I doubt any raiton will be numbing her when she is using the technique.

 

[HashiraMadara]

Byakugo makes her a freak of nature. Her spine was destroyed yet she was jumping and moving as if her spine was perfectly intact. I doubt any raiton will be numbing her when she is using the technique.

spine broken??? where :|

 

[RedRobin]

spine broken??? where :|

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Not even broken but completely ripped apart.

 

[HashiraMadara]

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Not even broken but completely ripped apart.

That might have missed the spine... That's inconclusive

 

[RedRobin]

That might have missed the spine... That's inconclusive

Ok buddy sure.

 

[UchihasRightfulHeir]

• Genjustu is useless because Katsuyu easily breaks her out of it. Not to mention she battled 5 legged susano and thats 10 sharingan eyes and did not allow herself to get caught.
• Needs prep that Tsunade would never allow for. She has more stamina and chakra so while Sasuke is tried she can continuously come at him.
• She touched Madara Uchiha two times. Yet Hebi Sasuke will give her problems. I do not think so.

She touched susanoo not madara. In susanoo, madara couldn't care who touched him. Injured sasuke kept up with Bee. Tsunade is NOT touching him.

Kirin requires prep but its prep that he can do at any moment. Literally takes a couple of fire tech. What is she going to do to stop him? Kirin kills her

 

[Konoha Orange Spark]

Like?..

like Danzo

but Naruto sama stomps all

 

[RedRobin]

She touched susanoo not madara. In susanoo, madara couldn't care who touched him. Injured sasuke kept up with Bee. Tsunade is NOT touching him.

Kirin requires prep but its prep that he can do at any moment. Literally takes a couple of fire tech. What is she going to do to stop him? Kirin kills her

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Kirin only got prepped because Itachi spammed Amaterasu and Sasuke used countless katon attacks. Its not a couple of fire techs.

 

[Obito the supreme jin]

I think it's more you overestimating him.i don't think tsunade would nehh hebi,more like high diff but you on the other hand are implying he neggs.which I can't seem to understand cause bar kirin, what other jutsu does hebi have to cause real damage to a tsunade that has the healing capabilities of katsuyu and the byakugou seal?

The fight will be a mid/high diff fight in Sasuke's favor. Genjutsu apart from Kirin does damage. The user casts Genjutsu on the Byagoku user and then he will put her to sleep. After that he will take the advantage. This is a regular genjutsu and the same he used against Sakura.

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Also Chidori Nagashi works if he gets within range.

I dont remember whenexactly he got the hawk summon. I didnt think it was til later on. Either way long ranged jutsu is garaas specialty and not really sasukes. Him being weak to explosives was relevent against deidara but raiton doesnt = deidaras explosive KKG. He cant just spontaneously make explosions in the same way deidara did and gaara isnt even necessarily weak to explosives. Deidera had to go out of his way to get the explosives past gaaras sheid. Youre crazy if you think being in the desert changes nothing.

The exact time reference to when he got the Hawk Summon isn't mentioned but I think it is only fair in ambiguous scenarios to give them their entire skill set according to that mode. While it's true that Sasuke doesn't have Deidara's Explosive KKG, he can simply invent it off his own. He can use Kirin as that explosive to damage Gaara's shield. Sasuke's Kirin does more damage than Deidara's C4 so if Gaara could barely stop his regular clay detonating device by making bigger clay birds what's to say that Sasuke can't do the same.

Gaara uses up a lot of sand from his gourd against explosives. That is a sign of his weakness. Since he is tiring himself out by blocking the bigger impact attacks, he is missing the smaller ones. Kirin can penetrate through that shield easily destroying it. Gaara is a long ranged user but so is Sasuke. He will at least want to keep a 5m distance to avoid being touched by his Chidori Stream. For long ranged users to battle against each other I don't see why the terrain causes a huge impact. I agree if you are a CQC fighter, you are at a disadvantage. Like for Deidara the landscape didn't bother him because he is a long ranged fighter. If Sasuke fights long ranged and then closes in the distance, Gaara's sand will not be able to keep up.

 

[Warlocks]

Hebi Sasuke low level kage

ms Sasuke mid level kage

ems Sasuke high level kage