Hebi Sasuke vs. War Arc Kakashi

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I haven't brought an argument yet I've listed paragraphs of viable options for Kakashi. If you don't think intelligence and exp aren't factors...I really can't help you. Just want to point out as well that MS Kakashi was certain that he could kill MS Sasuke.

Then don't post. :lol If you have no argument then don't waste my time posting. Not sure how many times I have to tell you this. I'm not going to put the pieces together for you. And :lol Sasuke would've fodderized him had he not gone blind at that moment, so using that fight is a terrible terrible example. Kaguya was sure she could kill Naruto and Sasuke....look what happened. Not to mention that is MS Kakashi w/ his MS ability unrestricted. Does he have Kamui here? No, he doesn't.
How the hell is it irrelevant when their tools and arsenals are almost identical. That's what gives Kakashi the edge. Just read back to BZ's quote.

They aren't anywhere near being identical. :lol

-They both have Raikiri/Chidori, but their variants are completely different.
-Sasuke has Katon, Kakashi has Suiton and Doton.
-Sasuke has Oro's snake abilities.
-Sasuke has the Curse Mark that puts his physical ability comfortably above Kakashi's.
-Sasuke uses a sword, Kakashi doesn't.


So you can stop feeding me this "their tools and arsenals are almost identical" BS now.

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C2 feats like what? trying to outrun Itachi's amaterasu and getting hit with it anyway? What are these magnificent endurance feats I'm missing?

and then starts the string of traps Kakashi makes until Sasuke can't keep up. Itachi commented on the effectiveness of the technique btw and how he couldn't see him underground as far as I remember.

When you can tell me how then we can talk, until then don't post because all you can do is whine about this trap yet you can't specify. :lol Itachi dodged it, period. Anything else is irrelevant.

Still War arc Kakashi, hence the variations in the games etc. inb4 "ermagerd. He brought up the games roflcopter."

Nope. He picked it up and dropped it so he doesn't get it. You can stop crying about it now pal.

Am I really stupid for watching Sasuke get disarmed repeatedly? lol It's obvious that Kakashi triumphs in anything taijustu related. Sasuke has the edge in ninjutsu diversity and that's about it. Intelligence doesn't come into fighting, is that what you're saying?

No, you are stupid for making stuff up. Go show me where anyone who had Kakashi's level of CQC prowess disarmed Sasuke and then we can talk. Kakashi trumping in Taijutsu is irrelevant as Kenjutsu is not Taijutsu nor are they related besides the fact that they are forms of CQC combat. Saying Kakashi trumps in CQC is based on nothing just like 100% of the post you make on this website.

Sharingan can still see through things. Go and re-read the manga herpa derp. Subtle genjustu still works better than obvious genjutsu, especially when you are distracting and more intelligent to go with it.

There is no subtle Genjutsu when you are using Sharingan you blithering idiot. Sharingan will recognize the Genjutsu from the start.
CS is very limited. You're acting as if it's a massive Hago buff. CS will give senjutsu enhanced attacks which Kakashi will dodge and deal with by tricks and what not until Sasuke tires himself out. It's a pretty simple concept, really. You're overhyping it imo. The powerup couldn't help him dodge ama and in that fight he did what? 3 fireballs and replaced a wing with snakes? Looking at the Deidera fight, too. CS was used for a sneak attack yet Sasuke had the element of surprise for that too. Kakashi doesn't have to go into a raikiri/black chidori clash if he doesn't want to.

Doesn't need to be a Hagoromo buff to beat Kakashi's ass.

-Doesn't need to dodge Amaterasu to beat Kakashi's ass.

And I've explained how Kakashi dies too many times for me to even waste my time explaining to you again.

Sasuke can stab Sakura in multiple ways just as a smarter person can win a game of chess or w/e mutliple ways. Once again "Herpa derp. No tools to capitalize on intelligence." When they almost the same but Kakashi is smarter & BZ's quote says it all. I can answer the question of how Sasuke stabs Sakura because it's so easy. He can stab her in any lethal point just as Kakashi can win with any lethal justu. There are just some finishing jutsu/techniques that are more likely to be used than others.

All this and no argument. :lol Please stop wasting my time.

-Already explained that pros can be genjutsu'd subtly if done right e.g Sasuke on Danzo.
-Same could be said for Kakashi.
-Then Kakashi will provide the necessary distractions etc. required. :)
-I've explained why this doesn't happen.

-Nope.
-Sasuke doesn't use any of those, so try harder.
-Then you are going to have to list an example instead of stupidly dancing around the question like you are some illiterate twit.
-No, you haven't.
Intelligence helps in every category and is overall more valuable than a shitty "speed buff". At the end of all this that's what is boils down to. Which you think is more valuable.

This match doesn't even come close to boiling down to intelligence. Intelligence didn't say MS Kakashi against MS Sasuke, so it won't save him against Hebi Sasuke w/ his only MS tech restricted. If you reply with another pile of idiotic trash like this I'll address it, but for the last time. Cba to waste my time arguing with you when you can't even provide an argument.
 
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Then don't post. :lol If you have no argument then don't waste my time posting. Not sure how many times I have to tell you this. I'm not going to put the pieces together for you. And :lol Sasuke would've fodderized him had he not gone blind at that moment, so using that fight is a terrible terrible example. Kaguya was sure she could kill Naruto and Sasuke....look what happened. Not to mention that is MS Kakashi w/ his MS ability unrestricted. Does he have Kamui here? No, he doesn't.


They aren't anywhere near being identical. :lol

-They both have Raikiri/Chidori, but their variants are completely different.
-Sasuke has Katon, Kakashi has Suiton and Doton.
-Sasuke has Oro's snake abilities.
-Sasuke has the Curse Mark that puts his physical ability comfortably above Kakashi's.
-Sasuke uses a sword, Kakashi doesn't.


So you can stop feeding me this "their tools and arsenals are almost identical" BS now.



An irrelevant post.






When you can tell me how then we can talk, until then don't post because all you can do is whine about this trap yet you can't specify. :lol Itachi dodged it, period. Anything else is irrelevant.



Nope. He picked it up and dropped it so he doesn't get it. You can stop crying about it now pal.



No, you are stupid for making stuff up. Go show me where anyone who had Kakashi's level of CQC prowess disarmed Sasuke and then we can talk. Kakashi trumping in Taijutsu is irrelevant as Kenjutsu is not Taijutsu nor are they related besides the fact that they are forms of CQC combat. Saying Kakashi trumps in CQC is based on nothing just like 100% of the post you make on this website.



There is no subtle Genjutsu when you are using Sharingan you blithering idiot. Sharingan will recognize the Genjutsu from the start.


Doesn't need to be a Hagoromo buff to beat Kakashi's ass.

-Doesn't need to dodge Amaterasu to beat Kakashi's ass.

And I've explained how Kakashi dies too many times for me to even waste my time explaining to you again.



All this and no argument. :lol Please stop wasting my time.



-Nope.
-Sasuke doesn't use any of those, so try harder.
-Then you are going to have to list an example instead of stupidly dancing around the question like you are some illiterate twit.
-No, you haven't.


This match doesn't even come close to boiling down to intelligence. Intelligence didn't say MS Kakashi against MS Sasuke, so it won't save him against Hebi Sasuke w/ his only MS tech restricted. If you reply with another pile of idiotic trash like this I'll address it, but for the last time. Cba to waste my time arguing with you when you can't even provide an argument.

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Omg. Dying. Tears rolling down my face. He pretended he didn't see the rest of my sentence guys :lmao:

I think you'll find that Sasuke could still see and fight but it was blurry at times and that Kakashi had fought MS Sasuke for a bit. You could argue that Kaguya was a retarded, power hungry fool...That's what happens with htose types of villains. They get cocky even without proper intel. Very poor example.

-Kakashi's is 100% superior without CM activated anyone. :)
-Kakashi has more elements that counter Sasuke's katon completely and overpower it. :)
-Sasuke can turn a wing into snakes if it's destroyed or use a sort of snake substitution jutsu. Kakashi has substitution too :)
-I exaplined why you're overhyping the CM. It's the equivalent of a few 9 tails chakra tails.
-As if the size of the blade matters. Is Kakashi not experienced with a kunai or something? XD he has even infused plenty with chidori so Sasuke doesn't even have that advantage. Not to mention Kakashi spent most of his younger years using his fathers white light chakra sabre and his feats with the massive executioners blade.

Nice lol you wrote a template for me to win that argument. Thanks. Kakashi's arsenal is superior bar snakes and sword length.

An irrelevant post yet it explains what outsmarting is, which is how Kakashi wins....really?

I like how you didn't answer the failed CM speed hype there btw.

Making stuff up. Top kek. We're just gonig to pretend that Sasuke has never been disarmed? Okay. You can stop with your pretentious snobbery btw. It's getting you no where. Kakashi has the edge up close, especially with CM.

War arc Kakashi can have the executioners blade. Not that it matters as it has no special abilities bar repairing itself with blood.

Sharingan uses up chakra too, y'know. Then genjutsu would be extra effective and unexpected.

but you haven't explained how Kakashi dies lol you just say things like "Sasuke iz vuri gud wit teh sord tho, yi fuul."

My point was that you're overhyping the CM and I provided examples showing why.

-Nobody is 100% immune to genjustu.
-Both have full intel and use clones and kill strikes. Are you that stupid that you forgot how ninja fight/your own vs conditions?
-It's funny because I listed examples already and you're dancing around them like a Russian ballerina.
-Re-read

It's kinda funny how you say intelligence is irrelevant when you're sounding like a total idiot. MS saved Kakashi vs Sasuke's MS because MS is hax like that. This time Sasuke doesn't have MS susano camping so yeah....gl. You should go back and mouth about me in your private chatrooms because you're doing the opposite of proving your points here. :th:
 
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Omg. Dying. Tears rolling down my face. He pretended he didn't see the rest of my sentence guys :lmao:

I think you'll find that Sasuke could still see and fight but it was blurry at times and that Kakashi had fought MS Sasuke for a bit. You could argue that Kaguya was a retarded, power hungry fool...That's what happens with htose types of villains. They get cocky even without proper intel. Very poor example.

No, it's a perfect example. X character saying he can do something isn't evidence he can do it. So drop the shit logic dumbass. :lol
-Kakashi's is 100% superior without CM activated anyone. :)

Nope. Their battle stats are equal except for the fact that Sasuke still has a better Shunshin and Taijutsu and intelligence goes to Kakashi.

-Kakashi has more elements that counter Sasuke's katon completely and overpower it. :)

Yet none of his elements can overpower Raiton, so this is irrelevant.

-Sasuke can turn a wing into snakes if it's destroyed or use a sort of snake substitution jutsu. Kakashi has substitution too :)

Irrelevant. If you think substitution is going to be what lets him defeat Sasuke then do me a favor and off yourself now.

-I exaplined why you're overhyping the CM. It's the equivalent of a few 9 tails chakra tails.

You really are retarded. A "few" of those Kyuubi chakra tails you talk about contain more power than Kakashi has in his entire body. :lol And no, you haven't explained jack. You said I was, followed with BS, and then called that an explanation.

-As if the size of the blade matters. Is Kakashi not experienced with a kunai or something? XD he has even infused plenty with chidori so Sasuke doesn't even have that advantage. Not to mention Kakashi spent most of his younger years using his fathers white light chakra sabre and his feats with the massive executioners blade.

Experienced with a Kunai is irrelevant. Sword>>Kunai. Do the math pal, it shouldn't be that hard.
Nice lol you wrote a template for me to win that argument. Thanks. Kakashi's arsenal is superior bar snakes and sword length.

-Sasuke is faster.
-His Ninjutsu is stronger.
-He's stronger.
-He's more durable.
-He has better weaponry.

So no wrong again.

An irrelevant post yet it explains what outsmarting is, which is how Kakashi wins....really?

Are you stupid? I mean really? Are you really this much of an idiot? Explaining what it is doesn't explain how Kakashi does it.

I like how you didn't answer the failed CM speed hype there btw.

There is nothing to address. Sasuke failing to evade a technique that Ay needed top speed to dodge isn't failed speed hype if you aren't a deluded fanboy. Sasuke's speed is already>=Kakashi's in Base as per Shunshin feats and DB stats. Add Curse Mark. Guess who's faster? :lol
Making stuff up. Top kek. We're just gonig to pretend that Sasuke has never been disarmed? Okay. You can stop with your pretentious snobbery btw. It's getting you no where. Kakashi has the edge up close, especially with CM.

Lol once again you blithering idiot. Show me where he has been disarmed by people who are near Kakashi's level in CQC prowess. Because anyone who has disarmed Sasuke in CQC would rape Kakashi in head on combat too. B is the perfect example and probably what you were stupidly trying to use as an example.

War arc Kakashi can have the executioners blade. Not that it matters as it has no special abilities bar repairing itself with blood.
No, he used it once and dropped it. So he doesn't get it. End of story.

Sharingan uses up chakra too, y'know. Then genjutsu would be extra effective and unexpected.

Irrelevant and dumb point as it uses more for Kakashi than it does for Sasuke as Sasuke is an Uchiha and Kakashi isn't.


but you haven't explained how Kakashi dies lol you just say things like "Sasuke iz vuri gud wit teh sord tho, yi fuul."

-Go to your nearest preschool or kindergarten
-Learn how to read.
-Come back and read Pages 1-5.
-And then tell me if I haven't explained how Kakashi dies. :lol

My point was that you're overhyping the CM and I provided examples showing why.
No, you didn't.

-Nobody is 100% immune to genjustu.

An irrelevant statement. Sasuke can see through Genjutsu with Sharingan. Fact. Thus it's useless. Fact.

-Both have full intel and use clones and kill strikes. Are you that stupid that you forgot how ninja fight/your own vs conditions?

Lol what a daft little rat. :lol Full intel helps no one but Sasuke here. Kakashi knowing of Sasuke's head on attacks and CQC capability doesn't change the fact that he'll die.
-It's funny because I listed examples already and you're dancing around them like a Russian ballerina.
-Re-read

Except you haven't.

It's kinda funny how you say intelligence is irrelevant when you're sounding like a total idiot. MS saved Kakashi vs Sasuke's MS because MS is hax like that. This time Sasuke doesn't have MS susano camping so yeah....gl. You should go back and mouth about me in your private chatrooms because you're doing the opposite of proving your points here. :th:

This time Sasuke doesn't have susanoo, but he has Curse Mark, perfect sight and he's at full health while Kakashi doesn't have MS. I wonder who gets killed. :lol

Right after you take your dumb ass back to the cesspool known as NDS. Don't expect another reply though. Thread was going fine until your dumbass showed up. :lol Fanboys kill me these days.
 

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No, it's a perfect example. X character saying he can do something isn't evidence he can do it. So drop the shit logic dumbass. :lol


Nope. Their battle stats are equal except for the fact that Sasuke still has a better Shunshin and Taijutsu and intelligence goes to Kakashi.



Yet none of his elements can overpower Raiton, so this is irrelevant.



Irrelevant. If you think substitution is going to be what lets him defeat Sasuke then do me a favor and off yourself now.



You really are retarded. A "few" of those Kyuubi chakra tails you talk about contain more power than Kakashi has in his entire body. :lol And no, you haven't explained jack. You said I was, followed with BS, and then called that an explanation.



Experienced with a Kunai is irrelevant. Sword>>Kunai. Do the math pal, it shouldn't be that hard.


-Sasuke is faster.
-His Ninjutsu is stronger.
-He's stronger.
-He's more durable.
-He has better weaponry.

So no wrong again.



Are you stupid? I mean really? Are you really this much of an idiot? Explaining what it is doesn't explain how Kakashi does it.



There is nothing to address. Sasuke failing to evade a technique that Ay needed top speed to dodge isn't failed speed hype if you aren't a deluded fanboy. Sasuke's speed is already>=Kakashi's in Base as per Shunshin feats and DB stats. Add Curse Mark. Guess who's faster? :lol


Lol once again you blithering idiot. Show me where he has been disarmed by people who are near Kakashi's level in CQC prowess. Because anyone who has disarmed Sasuke in CQC would rape Kakashi in head on combat too. B is the perfect example and probably what you were stupidly trying to use as an example.


No, he used it once and dropped it. So he doesn't get it. End of story.



Irrelevant and dumb point as it uses more for Kakashi than it does for Sasuke as Sasuke is an Uchiha and Kakashi isn't.




-Go to your nearest preschool or kindergarten
-Learn how to read.
-Come back and read Pages 1-5.
-And then tell me if I haven't explained how Kakashi dies. :lol


No, you didn't.



An irrelevant statement. Sasuke can see through Genjutsu with Sharingan. Fact. Thus it's useless. Fact.



Lol what a daft little rat. :lol Full intel helps no one but Sasuke here. Kakashi knowing of Sasuke's head on attacks and CQC capability doesn't change the fact that he'll die.


Except you haven't.



This time Sasuke doesn't have susanoo, but he has Curse Mark, perfect sight and he's at full health while Kakashi doesn't have MS. I wonder who gets killed. :lol

Right after you take your dumb ass back to the cesspool known as NDS. Don't expect another reply though. Thread was going fine until your dumbass showed up. :lol Fanboys kill me these days.

Funny how you complain about that logic when you're using it. "Sasuke dodges...just cuz he obviously does."

Did you not say earlier that Sasuke is inferior in taijutsu but it doesn't matter when of kenjutsu? :Sparks:

Are you serious? raikiri > chidori bar CM perhaps but I've addressed that already. Other elements get completely overpowered.

You know people are pissed and can't get their point across when they tell you to off yourself :lmao: substitution is useful as seen in most fights, especially earlier on in the manga. Don't even try deny it. I was merely proving how you're overhyping CM by showing you its feats. Nice overhyping of kyuubi chakra tails too because it suits your argument. They were kids when a few kyuubi chakra tails were used and a fresh 3T sharingan for Sasuke helped him keep tabs on them. Kakashi is a sharingan veteran at that stage.

How is Kakashis experience with swords and kunai alike irrelevant? XD

-So fast he dodged amaterasu in CM, right? We've seen how MS Sasukes speed was compared to MS Kakashi. What eneded up happening? Sasuke resorted to susano camping.
-His ninjutsu usage is more versatile which won't help when they both have full intel and Kakashi has the superior brain.
-"He's stronger" lmao. scraping the bottom of the barrel or what?
-He's more durable? lolwat
-Been through the weaponry already.

Are you really that stupid? You seemed to not know what outsmarting is so I explained it to you. Now apply it to Kakashi's scenario. You're asking me to draw out the fight swing for swing. use your brain.

Yet you're acting like CM is given by Hago.

I'm not saying you have to be B. I'm just going to end up repeating myself here...

Still war arc Kakashi variation without specification.

War arc Kakashi is a chakra beast.

Pulling the Uchiha card, eh? Not relevant. Some sharingan/people are naturally more genjutsu types. That is all there is to it. If Sasuke did escape genjutsu, it would be down to that, sharingan mastery and hatred.

If I can't read, how am I replying?

Yes I did.

Acting as if Sasuke with sharingan has never been genjutsu'd...lel

Rat? Right in the feels. intel doesn't matter....lol Kakashi knows all of Sasuke's variations and can prep from them or keep an eye out for them. See the importance of Intel + brains when it comes to the likes of Shikamaru.

Except I have.

No susano for comaping and last resorting like he used it for previously. Sight? he fought regardless of a little blurry vision. Kakashi's arsenal is much bigger, chakra has multiplied exponentially, with the exp and smarts. Sasuke had a nap btw in kamui dimension before that confrontation, did he not?

Typical NDS comment as if that offends me. Mr. Versus Weeaboo :)

I value intelligence more than a ninjutsu buff. That's where our differences are. Think we should leave it at that as you're getting pretty childish with your "No you didn't" etc. Plus I'm just repeating myself. Everything from the interactions in the manga to the actual events spell out a hiiigh diff win for Kakashi imo. Thini we should just leave it at that. :tea:



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Sasuke's sharingan is superior, that alone should be decisive imho.
 

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