Hebi Sasuke vs Sennin Modó Naruto.

[Inert Brian]

Hebi Sasuke has potential to win if summonings are removed. With summonings this is a low-mid difficult win, Sage mode Naruto takes this.

Give me a counter to gamabunta and i'll reply. Don't say Kirin because Sasuke won't have time to prep it.

Oh, and how is Sasuke stopping Rasenshuriken? Something SM Naruto can throw and expand?

SM Naruto has better intellect feats, which comes from his sensing abilities.

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<- These 3 are really good indicators of Naruto's strategy. He planned a 3 way attack.

Genjutsu is the only thing I would have given to Hebi Sasuke here, but Same mode makes him a sensor. He can obviously sense when he's in genjutsu. + Summonings have to be genjutsu'd as well, genjutsu can affect 1 person at a time.

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The only thing that can save Hebi Sasuke here is his flying with Curse mark lvl 2. But FRS can be thrown and puts him down. Not like Sasuke can do anything to Naruto while flying either.

 

[slimreaper]

Hebi Sasuke has potential to win if summonings are removed. With summonings this is a low-mid difficult win, Sage mode Naruto takes this.

Give me a counter to gamabunta and i'll reply. Don't say Kirin because Sasuke won't have time to prep it.

Oh, and how is Sasuke stopping Rasenshuriken? Something SM Naruto can throw and expand?

SM Naruto has better intellect feats, which comes from his sensing abilities.

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<- These 3 are really good indicators of Naruto's strategy. He planned a 3 way attack.

Genjutsu is the only thing I would have given to Hebi Sasuke here, but Same mode makes him a sensor. He can obviously sense when he's in genjutsu. + Summonings have to be genjutsu'd as well, genjutsu can affect 1 person at a time.

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1. manda is a counter to gamabunta
2. sasuke can counter FRS with a medium sized katon. not that sauke needs to worry about frs with his speed.
3. SM naruto has better prep time feats. read the deidara vs sasuke fight if you think SM naruto is smarter.
4. sensors can be put in genjutsu. ex: C was put in genjutsu at the five kage summit by sasuke

 

[Inert Brian]

1. manda is a counter to gamabunta
2. sasuke can counter FRS with a medium sized katon. not that sauke needs to worry about frs with his speed.
3. SM naruto has better prep time feats. read the deidara vs sasuke fight if you think SM naruto is smarter.
4. sensors can be put in genjutsu. ex: C was put in genjutsu at the five kage summit by sasuke

1. I forgot about Manda, but he's on par with gamabunta. At least Part 1 shows them about equal strength. Although while imo Manda > Gamabunta. Gamabunta is good enough to fight Manda long enough for Naruto and Sasuke to battle it out.
2. FRS took out almost every Kakuzu heart, it's insanely lethal. Where does it say lightning beats wind anyway. Lightning beats Earth, and Water. No mention of wind. Good point about Sasuke's speed, it depends on the range of FRS. Although Naruto cannonically tried to use it as a long range tech.
3. I'm aware he had better prep time feats against pain, but that still doesn't mean he can't summon. Granted, it depends how this fight is looked at. Can he fuse with Ma/pa, does he have sm clones at his disposal?
4. Good point about Cee being put in genjutsu, but that was Tsukuyomi and that's an MS feat. Tsukuyomi w/o a doubt is a higher level genjutsu. Normal sharingan hasn't shown feats of putting sensors in genjutsu. Even Karin is aware of her chakra pattern (Danzo vs Sasuke when karin was trying to figure out if Izanami put them in genjutsu).

 

[~Sky~]

^ Wind is actually a superior element to lightning.

 

[Inert Brian]

^ Wind is actually a superior element to lightning.

Thought so.

Actually Naruto says it is. When they're fighting Juubi fodder, Naruto and Sasuke compare each other. Naruto brings up how his wind beats lightning but loses to fire.

 

[slimreaper]

Thought so.

Actually Naruto says it is. When they're fighting Juubi fodder, Naruto and Sasuke compare each other. Naruto brings up how his wind beats lightning but loses to fire.

thats why I said fire

 

[Inert Brian]

OOps read that as raiton. I suck w/ japanese names ._.

But elemental advantages doesn't mean something auto loses. It took 20 water users to stop Madara's grand fire style. I honestly don't see him having enough time to pull out CM2 and use fire style on FRS. Any fire style Sasuke puts below CM2 is going to lose to FRS, his fire is simply not good enough w/o curse mark. FRS is perfect chakra manipulation w/ an element added.

I think we can agree that Sasuke's speed dodges FRS. Depending how far it is. Although as I said earlier, cannonically Naruto has used FRS only as a long range attack (excluding Kakuzu, which was before he could throw it, Sakura also told him to never use it again bc of damage done to him, meaning he'd never use it in close combat).

 

[BlackFlame44]

Been done before

Naruto wins

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Naruto stomps.

 

[Transcendence]

Oh please... Shelke, Adeshina and -Sasuke, you don't have to converge on a topic to convince yourselves otherwise about an obvious outcome. Current Sennin Modo Naruto absolutely demolishes Hebi Sasuke. Pein Arc is still low-mid difficulty at most. Don't overrate your favorite character out of bias. It is repulsing. ​

 

[adeshina365]

Oh please... Shelke, Adeshina and -Sasuke, you don't have to converge on a topic to convince yourselves otherwise about an obvious outcome.

I don't think the outcome is as obvious as many people think. Hebi Sasuke would start the fight by attempting a speed blitz. The fight would likely turn into a CQC affair, where I believe that Sasuke has the advantage (better speed, reactions (with CS), Chidori Nagashi range> Frog Kata range). Sasuke can win this as long as he gets in Naruto's face.

 

[~Sky~]

Naruto is being very underrated here. As expected from most of the users here though.

 

[Draegod]

Naruto is being very underrated here. As expected from most of the users here though.

Same Sasuke Supporters who think he is god. Nothing new, it's best to just ignore them and laugh while exiting the thread/room.

 

[warlee]

Sm naruto is faster, he blitz rocket boosted asura path from atop gamabunta (do you know how tall bunta is?) before he could get to tsunade who is just few kilometers away. He also keep up with 3rd raikage. Sm naruto is far more dangerous in cqc because.
1) he will be aware of sasuke's move before makes them thanks to sm sensing
2) his moves are invisible, frog kata, frog slap.
3) naruto has far superior strenght (he was tossing kyuubi, cerebus and other boss summons around easily) , superior speed and superior reaction ( he not only react to the 3rd raikage at the last minute he also counter with a precise attack at the same time) .
4) adding bunshin feints and clones.
Naruto is superior is superior when it comes to ninjutsu. Chou odama rasengan, frs, chou odama frs, chou odama rasengan barrage are all more powerful than anything sasuke can dish out (nb:- kirin is not an option since he won't be able to set it up here). Naruto also has far better stamina, resillence. Naruto wins low diff

 

[miromiro]

Naruto wins.

 

[slimreaper]

Sm naruto is faster, he blitz rocket boosted asura path from atop gamabunta (do you know how tall bunta is?) before he could get to tsunade who is just few kilometers away. He also keep up with 3rd raikage. Sm naruto is far more dangerous in cqc because.
1) he will be aware of sasuke's move before makes them thanks to sm sensing
2) his moves are invisible, frog kata, frog slap.
3) naruto has far superior strenght (he was tossing kyuubi, cerebus and other boss summons around easily) , superior speed and superior reaction ( he not only react to the 3rd raikage at the last minute he also counter with a precise attack at the same time) .
4) adding bunshin feints and clones.
Naruto is superior is superior when it comes to ninjutsu. Chou odama rasengan, frs, chou odama frs, chou odama rasengan barrage are all more powerful than anything sasuke can dish out (nb:- kirin is not an option since he won't be able to set it up here). Naruto also has far better stamina, resillence. Naruto wins low diff

SM naruto isn't faster than curse mark sasuke. re read the deidara fight. there are plenty examples of sasuke's speed in that fight. in naruto's examples we are never given a starting point so we can't properly evaluate speed.

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what does being aware of sasuke's moves do for naruto? he can't dodge the sharingan

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sasuke's counter to frog kata is the length of his sword and his chidori nagashi

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and mentioning the 3rd raikage is pointless. he was aware of the 3rd's attack and was able to time it, that isn't a speed feat only timing.

you mention naruto being superior in ninjutsu like sasuke is going to try and match a chidori to a big ball rasengan. sasuke is smarter than that. btw Hebi sasuke got a 5 in ninjutsu so I think he can hold his own.

its not like sasuke needs to engage naruto in close range combat

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as for making thousands of clones. naruto can only do that once. sasuke could just fly above it.

ill give you stamina but not resilience

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I say sasuke high diff

 

[HadouKage]

Oh please... Shelke, Adeshina and -Sasuke, you don't have to converge on a topic to convince yourselves otherwise about an obvious outcome. Current Sennin Modo Naruto absolutely demolishes Hebi Sasuke. Pein Arc is still low-mid difficulty at most. Don't overrate your favorite character out of bias. It is repulsing. ​

Transcendence has spoken

 

[~Sky~]

It just keeps getting better.

 

[slimreaper]

I've noticed everyone saying naruto is just like" naruto wins" and expects us to believe that. Or they just list naruto's abilities and say sasuke has no counter to them. Then when sasuke fans counter, we just get more "naruto stomps" with no explanation. that is generally how naruto fans argue

 

[warlee]

SM naruto isn't faster than curse mark sasuke. re read the deidara fight. there are plenty examples of sasuke's speed in that fight. in naruto's examples we are never given a starting point so we can't properly evaluate speed.

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what does being aware of sasuke's moves do for naruto? he can't dodge the sharingan

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sasuke's counter to frog kata is the length of his sword and his chidori nagashi

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and mentioning the 3rd raikage is pointless. he was aware of the 3rd's attack and was able to time it, that isn't a speed feat only timing.

you mention naruto being superior in ninjutsu like sasuke is going to try and match a chidori to a big ball rasengan. sasuke is smarter than that. btw Hebi sasuke got a 5 in ninjutsu so I think he can hold his own.

its not like sasuke needs to engage naruto in close range combat

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as for making thousands of clones. naruto can only do that once. sasuke could just fly above it.

ill give you stamina but not resilience

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I say sasuke high diff

The starting point is gamabunta's head (he was also able to create clones and form a double rasengan before blitzing and are you saying naruto moved before asura? Even if we assume they moved @ the same time it's still a blitz) and sasuke didn't blitz deidara in that fight, deidara kept up with him. And why would naruto need to dodge the sharingan? It's not a move and sm attacks are invisible to the sharingan. Naruto can dodge sasuke's sword like he did the 3rd raikage who is far faster than sasuke and use sage mode aura to defend against nagashi.
Naruto need to fast to react and time that attack against 3rd raikage and databook doesn't prove sasuke can hang with naruto in a ninjutsu battle, 95% of sasuke's justu are low level justu.