Hebi Sasuke vs Sennin Modó Naruto.

[warlee]

I did not even factor in bunshin feint which sasuke has no counter for. Naruto was able to perform senpo chou odama rasengan barrage and use frs before and after then. Naruto is not limited a thousand clones. Sasuke is not flying above chou odama frs, the jutsu is already boss summon size before exploding and if explode it should be atleast 3 times bigger sasuke is not dodging that.

 

[slimreaper]

The starting point is gamabunta's head (he was also able to create clones and form a double rasengan before blitzing and are you saying naruto moved before asura? Even if we assume they moved @ the same time it's still a blitz) and sasuke didn't blitz deidara in that fight, deidara kept up with him. And why would naruto need to dodge the sharingan? It's not a move and sm attacks are invisible to the sharingan. Naruto can dodge sasuke's sword like he did the 3rd raikage who is far faster than sasuke and use sage mode aura to defend against nagashi.
Naruto need to fast to react and time that attack against 3rd raikage and databook doesn't prove sasuke can hang with naruto in a ninjutsu battle, 95% of sasuke's justu are low level justu.

its obvious naruto sensed asura path's attack before hand and started to move. KCM naruto would have trouble making it in time from that distance if he left right when asura got there. and because we don't see when he leaves you can't use it as speed. deidara was forced to place mines around sasuke to restrict his movement. when it was a battle on foot deidara couldn't even land a hit on sasuke because he was simply too fast.

naruto would need to dodge sasuke's attacks. he would however fail considering the reading ability of the sharingan.

I love how you mention the raikage scene when I explicitly explained that because of the distance between them naruto had ample time to plan a counter attack. that was merely a timing feat. and please tell me how frog kata counters chidori nagashi. frog kata is easily countered by the length of sasuke's sword.

and those "low level" jutsu garnered sasuke a 5 so I think he'd be alright. who are you to say sasuke can't escape via flight. naruto can't get up to sasuke's level. not to mention the more clones naruto makes the weaker they become so let him make all he wants they will fall like fodder before sasuke


not to mention naruto has not counter for kirin.

the argument that sasuke can't make it on his own is stupid. all he needs is this jutsu

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not to mention it's clear sasuke can do the tech on his own

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[Nattana]

SM Naruto is overrated as hell. Without summonnings, Hebi Sasuke takes this kinda easily.

 

[warlee]

Kcm naruto would still sensed the evil intent and do the same thing only better. Naruto also makes clones to perform double rasengan before moving, Even if he sensed asura before moving he still perform two jutsu (kage bunshin and double rasengan) before moving so it's either naruto moved after asura or they moved at the same time. Nope, sasuke couldn't blitz even when deidara was on the ground during the clay puppet fight he had to use substition to escape and he still didn't blitz, why would deidara need to land a hit when it's not a taijutsu fight (sasuke only land a hit after using genjutsu to decieve deidara). Sm sensing has just as equal prediction feat as the sharingan as shown in the 3rd raikage fight it is even better because it's 360 degree unlike the sharingan which is 180 degree. Are you saying speed is not involved in naruto dodgin and the precise counter attack of naruto vs raikage?
Naruto counter deva's rod with sm aura around his hand he can do the same to nagashi. How many minutes can sasuke stay in the air or how far can he fly into the sky? What mid range attack or long range attack does he have to threaten naruto from the air?
If 1/13 of naruto's clone in sm was able to react to the 3rd raikage and kept up with him then by your logic the original would be far above the clone. Naruto would only need a thousand clones to perform a jutsu which sasuke would not be able to counter anyway.

 

[Touken]

Chidori Nagashi's range is so bad. It only works if the person's touching Sasuke. [

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Considering whenever Naruto makes physical contact with Sasuke in this battle,

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with him in CQC. Chidori Nagashi isn't a viable option in this battle.

 

[slimreaper]

Chidori Nagashi's range is so bad. It only works if the person's touching Sasuke. [

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Considering whenever Naruto makes physical contact with Sasuke in this battle,

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with him in CQC. Chidori Nagashi isn't a viable option in this battle.

yamato isn't touching sasuke in the scan you showed yet his wood is being destroyed

 

[slimreaper]

Kcm naruto would still sensed the evil intent and do the same thing only better. Naruto also makes clones to perform double rasengan before moving, Even if he sensed asura before moving he still perform two jutsu (kage bunshin and double rasengan) before moving so it's either naruto moved after asura or they moved at the same time. Nope, sasuke couldn't blitz even when deidara was on the ground during the clay puppet fight he had to use substition to escape and he still didn't blitz, why would deidara need to land a hit when it's not a taijutsu fight (sasuke only land a hit after using genjutsu to decieve deidara). Sm sensing has just as equal prediction feat as the sharingan as shown in the 3rd raikage fight it is even better because it's 360 degree unlike the sharingan which is 180 degree. Are you saying speed is not involved in naruto dodgin and the precise counter attack of naruto vs raikage?
Naruto counter deva's rod with sm aura around his hand he can do the same to nagashi. How many minutes can sasuke stay in the air or how far can he fly into the sky? What mid range attack or long range attack does he have to threaten naruto from the air?
If 1/13 of naruto's clone in sm was able to react to the 3rd raikage and kept up with him then by your logic the original would be far above the clone. Naruto would only need a thousand clones to perform a jutsu which sasuke would not be able to counter anyway.

face it naruto's movement was off screen so it can't be used as a speed feat.

and if you actually read the deidara vs sasuke fight you'll see all he does early on is talk about how fast sasuke is.

as for you mentioning the third raikage again like I said earlier its a timing feat. there was no foot speed involved.

you say a one thirteenth clone kept up with the third but if you recall naruto would have gotten raped if not for rubber guy saving his ass.

why can't you get it into your head that naruto can't touch nagashi?

take into consideration that naruto has never once made a thousand clones to fight an opponent and been successful. don't you think there is a reason why that is? its because the more he makes the more fodder they become.

end of the day all sasuke has to do is live long enough to launch a fireball in the sky( no time at all really), and fire off kirin.

 

[warlee]

face it naruto's movement was off screen so it can't be used as a speed feat.

and if you actually read the deidara vs sasuke fight you'll see all he does early on is talk about how fast sasuke is.

as for you mentioning the third raikage again like I said earlier its a timing feat. there was no foot speed involved.

you say a one thirteenth clone kept up with the third but if you recall naruto would have gotten raped if not for rubber guy saving his ass.

why can't you get it into your head that naruto can't touch nagashi?

take into consideration that naruto has never once made a thousand clones to fight an opponent and been successful. don't you think there is a reason why that is? its because the more he makes the more fodder they become.

end of the day all sasuke has to do is live long enough to launch a fireball in the sky( no time at all really), and fire off kirin.

1st bold, concession accepted since you can't disprove my argument repeating your opinion. Deidara kept up so it's nothing he can't handle
2nd bold:- clearly you don't know what speed is
and if you recall you will see the clone keeping up during the nukite and rasengan face off.
Your opinion lol why should I accept it?
Naruto vs mizuki, naruto vs madara's wood tech, naruto vs shinra tensei, naruto vs kyuubi, naruto vs white zetsu in different battlefield, all this are instances of naruto using kage bunshin to successfully stop an attack or execute an attack and you said he has never been. He would be dead before setting up kirin since he can't counter chou odama rasengan barrage or chou odama futon rasenshuriken.

 

[Champ]

Sasuke. Cm2 durability is good enough to tank frog Kata, since when Sasuke fought one tails Naruto he took a pounding and clammed he wasn't injured at all. Rasen Shuriken can be dodged like Deva did. Chidori through the heart kills Naruto.

 

[Touken]

yamato isn't touching sasuke in the scan you showed yet his wood is being destroyed

No, the Mokuton started to split because he was going to attack. Yamato then started

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because Sasuke was no longer subdued by Sai and Naruto, so you can see it didn't destroy his Mokuton. Why would Chidori Nagashi even affect Mokuton anyway? Even though Sasuke was

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to push the Chidori blade out of him.

 

[shelke]

Oh please... Shelke, Adeshina and -Sasuke, you don't have to converge on a topic to convince yourselves otherwise about an obvious outcome. Current Sennin Modo Naruto absolutely demolishes Hebi Sasuke. Pein Arc is still low-mid difficulty at most. Don't overrate your favorite character out of bias. It is repulsing.

Converge on what? My simply stating that I or the other mentioned members are wrong, doesn't prove us wrong. Fact is, Frog Kata is literally worthless as I showed. Sasuke's reflexes and Speed is literally godly compared to Naruto, and so is his Taijutsu. Adding a factor of strength to Naruto's SM doesn't mean he has improved in Taijutsu in any manner.

Low-Mid Difficulty in Pein arc? You must be joking.

 

[slimreaper]

1st bold, concession accepted since you can't disprove my argument repeating your opinion. Deidara kept up so it's nothing he can't handle
2nd bold:- clearly you don't know what speed is
and if you recall you will see the clone keeping up during the nukite and rasengan face off.
Your opinion lol why should I accept it?
Naruto vs mizuki, naruto vs madara's wood tech, naruto vs shinra tensei, naruto vs kyuubi, naruto vs white zetsu in different battlefield, all this are instances of naruto using kage bunshin to successfully stop an attack or execute an attack and you said he has never been. He would be dead before setting up kirin since he can't counter chou odama rasengan barrage or chou odama futon rasenshuriken.

no I concede nothing. naruto has no on screen speed feats, so that suggests he has no real speed. and because we don't know when he started, we can't possible tell how long it took him to get to his destination.
2. no you clearly don't know what speed is. speed is the time it takes to get from point a to point B. in the raikage instance naruto went nowhere so he has no speed. and like I said earlier we can't really analyze how fast he is because he has no on screen speed feats.
How many enemies has naruto soloed with just clones? zero. (ie the neji fight, the pein fight) don't mention the war because in both instances he was helped
and his counter is avoidance. naruto has no speed feats to suggest he can keep up with hebi sasuke

 

[Bieber]

Naruto wins with little amount of effort.

 

[WolfHaley]

I think SM Naruto can win.

 

[slimreaper]

Naruto wins with little amount of effort.

On the contrary. SM naruto fails to hit sasuke and dies via kirin

 

[Bieber]

On the contrary. SM naruto fails to hit sasuke and dies via kirin

Laughable.

 

[slimreaper]

Laughable.

Just because you say naruto wins doesn't make it true. you contribute nothing to a vs thread when you just come in and say who wins and don't say why. So until you provide an argument, it's laughable to suggest SM naruto even lands a hit on hebi sasuke