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What the hell are you saying?

Kakuzu is a mass of threads, it sliced him up something fierce and why the hell you're comparing base Naruto's barely mastered FRS to SM Naruto's is beyond me, it deals internal damage along with slicing up the opponent AS IT DID TO HUMAN PATH, turned the thing into dust. Raikage tanked the hell out of it, if he was alive he'd have a few scratches at most, Naruto stated it had no effect, everyone in the company knew the Raikage was an edo, a normal edo would have been down long enough to be sealed clearly.

Use logic
Naruto says it didn't put a scratch on him, meaning when it hit it did nothing. End of story. All the Manga shows is smoke and the usual cracks Edo Tensei have. That's not actual damage. :lol Naruto said he took no actual damage. Nothing more for you to argue. FRS didn't penetrate his skin so why in the hell would it do anything to the inside of his body? :lol :lol :lol
It said FRS isn't bringing down 3rd raikage. The user of the technique admitted that and so did multiple people there. If a RS can do the raikage in then why is there so much hype and concern about his durabitlity if in reality he isn't any better than ordinary ninja. Like KG said RS disintergrated human path but the 3rd was moving seconds after. Before you say he healed fast edos take time to heal from big damage or at least Kishi in this case made it clear when the 3rd took real lethal/serious damage. That's why he couldn't just pull off his arm and continue fighting when Naruto made him strike himself.
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The only thing that sasuke has going for him was amaterasu that's it. The rest he was downgraded.

> less chakra
> slower recovery
> less raw power
> missing orochi style substitution (incase FRS'ed)
> snake bind/stun.
> glide

Sasuke would lose still obviously but with intel he could outlast long enough till sagemode is gone. Especially with this thread requirements. Also he ain't getting otked by frs. He is much faster than pain even without mangekyou. People forget it only hit raikage is due to the chakra arm for frs.
Yeah, but hardly any of that is helping Sasuke counter a FRS. The scan that I posted took place right before Sasuke's fight at the 5 Kage Summit, where he activated Susano'o on panel without any indication of it being his first time. So Sasuke with the addition of Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Blaze Release is easily stronger than his Hebi form, even without much experience with it. Although, the comment was based off Zetsu's observation of both Naruto and Sasuke, and the last time he saw Sasuke fight was against Itachi (unless he saw the fight with Bee). So Zetsu's statement more then likely pertains to his knowledge on Hebi Sasuke's strength, and not early MS Sasuke. Either way, Pain Arc Naruto>Sasuke at the time is what the manga alludes to.
 
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Yeah, but hardly any of that is helping Sasuke counter a FRS. The scan that I posted took place right before Sasuke's fight at the 5 Kage Summit, where he activated Susano'o on panel without any indication of it being his first time. So Sasuke with the addition of Susano'o, Amaterasu, and Blaze Release is easily stronger than his Hebi form, even without much experience with it. Although, the comment was based off Zetsu's observation of both Naruto and Sasuke, and the last time he saw Sasuke fight was against Itachi (unless he saw the fight with Bee). So Zetsu's statement more then likely pertains to his knowledge on Hebi Sasuke's strength, and not early MS Sasuke. Either way, Pain Arc Naruto>Sasuke at the time is what the manga alludes to.
Like zetsu, obito also keeps close tabs on sasuke and watched battle recordings of his fight with itachi. I mean, if this guy didn't know about sasuke's version, I doubt zetsu would either. even sasuke seem to implied he was waiting to test something out post-timeline of the scan you provided. which could be either flame control or susanoo.
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either way, sasuke doesn't need to beat(cause he can't) sagemode naruto, he simply needs to outlast him, and with orochi's jutsus it is the perfect tool to do so because keep in mind, Pain arc Naruto had a 2 limit use for FRS then downgrades back to base naruto and i'm certain with sasuke's feats of dodging lariat and c2 with just 3T sharingan I see no reason he couldn't do so against naruto's rasengan techs, the very same techs 3rd raikage easily dodged had not chakra arms changed trajectory. also, you say he has no counter, well does naruto have a counter for kirin? I don't believe so. instead he will use it's long prep time to intercept sasuke, the same sasuke will use speed to dodge FRS. am I wrong? please explain if I am.

Last this whole superior > inferior. people seem to forget that when character's have limitations, they can still be defeated by the inferior character. example: pain > sagemode naruto. pain lost simply because his shinra tensei was restricted when it would've significantly benefited him in the first half of the fight, and now he's defeated. this is similar. with intel, sasuke doesn't have to beat naruto, instead he will exploit naruto's weakness to defeat himself.

weakness
> scroll (to re-enter sagemode)(thou not for this debate)
> usage (less senjutsu he has, the faster he loses sagemode)
> no prep time (the same prep that zetsu hyped up naruto)
> limited shadow clones

sasuke's advantage
> range jutsus to keep distance
> speed to distance and bait inevitable FRS
> Orochi techs to survive (life insurance lol)
> precog to read naruto's motives.
> manda (force naruto to use FRS to shorten his sagemode time)

Now that I think about it, this is no different than minato vs 8gates gai debate. minato just outlast with S/T
 
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Sage Mode Naruto was stated to be stronger than Jiraya according to Fukkasaku in the end of chapter 430



Hebi Sasuke almost died by Deidra's hand, which Sasuke even admitted himself in chapter 363

 

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You're probably joking, but no

Deidra admits Sasori is stronger than him

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Jiraya took on Pein despite the fact that he was killed by him.

Hebi Sasuke nearly died from Deidra's explosion as well, which Sasuke admits himself

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I've noticed in my five minutes of being back here you like to just rehash things you state in other threads.

-Deidara > Sasori him trying to bait Kakashi back inside so he can have the nine-tails for himself isn't evidence of anything.

Again I have absolutely zero idea why you keep repeating word for word "hebi sasuke almost died to Deidara"??? What is the point of saying this, you're right he did almost die to Deidara despite having the absolute advantage with the elements as well mean while Jiraiya BARELY beat the weakest offensive paths of Pain with a location advantage. Hebi is also faster than Jiraiya so.

I wasn't joking, although I think its a close fight if he starts in SM he just does nothing to Deidara lol
 
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I've noticed in my five minutes of being back here you like to just rehash things you state in other threads.

-Deidara > Sasori him trying to bait Kakashi back inside so he can have the nine-tails for himself isn't evidence of anything.

Again I have absolutely zero idea why you keep repeating word for word "hebi sasuke almost died to Deidara"??? What is the point of saying this, you're right he did almost die to Deidara despite having the absolute advantage with the elements as well mean while Jiraiya BARELY beat the weakest offensive paths of Pain with a location advantage. Hebi is also faster than Jiraiya so.

I wasn't joking, although I think its a close fight if he starts in SM he just does nothing to Deidara lol
I'm pointing out Hebi Sasuke almost died by Deidara's hands to point out that he doesn't compare to Sage Mode Naruto, which. Deidra was trying to bait Naruto and Kakashi, but they were on the verge of going after him anyway and on quick note Sasori let Sakura and Chiyo win, which a lot of people seem to forget.

Once again by Deidra's own admission Sasori> Deidra

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Even if Deidra was stronger than Sasori that wouldn't make him stronger than Jiraya not to mention Chiyo and Shima could block Deidra vision like they did with Pein on the visual link.

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They could also do this with Hebi Sasuke as well and that would negate his genjutsu as well and if that didn't work Naruto could close his eyes to negate his atk not to mention Hebi Sasuke can't decipher between the real Naruto and the SC and there's no proof that he's faster than Jiraya either
 

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I'm pointing out Hebi Sasuke almost died by Deidara's hands to point out that he doesn't compare to Sage Mode Naruto, which. Deidra was trying to bait Naruto and Kakashi, but they were on the verge of going after him anyway and on quick note Sasori let Sakura and Chiyo win, which a lot of people seem to forget.
Hebi Sasuke doesn't compare to SM Naruto because of firepower, he still keeps up in speed.

I didn't forget that he let them win at the very end when he saw a vision of his parents lol he didn't let them win the entire battle beforehand. Not saying Sasori doesn't beat them but beating Sakura and Chiyo doesn't put you over Deidara.

Once again by Deidra's own admission Sasori> Deidra

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Even if Deidra was stronger than Sasori that wouldn't make him stronger than Jiraya not to mention Chiyo and Shima could block Deidra vision like they did with Pein on the visual link.
So are you one of the idiots who think Jiraiya > Itachi too? By feats Deidara beast Sasori handily lol stop posting the same damn scan I don't need to see it. You're insane if you think wooden puppets are keeping up with explosives that outsped Gaara's Jinchuriki sand.

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They could also do this with Hebi Sasuke as well and that would negate his genjutsu as well and if that didn't work Naruto could close his eyes to negate his atk not to mention Hebi Sasuke can't decipher between the real Naruto and the SC and there's no proof that he's faster than Jiraya either
Lol so you think a pile of dust is going to do anything to someone who can spread it away with the most minimal of explosives? I don't think Hebi Sasuke beats SM Naruto so this is pointless, I'm saying Deidara > Jiraiya and Deidara > Sasori. So "Barely" beating Deidara isn't a bad feat.
 
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Hebi Sasuke doesn't compare to SM Naruto because of firepower, he still keeps up in speed.

I didn't forget that he let them win at the very end when he saw a vision of his parents lol he didn't let them win the entire battle beforehand. Not saying Sasori doesn't beat them but beating Sakura and Chiyo doesn't put you over Deidara.



So are you one of the idiots who think Jiraiya > Itachi too? By feats Deidara beast Sasori handily lol stop posting the same damn scan I don't need to see it. You're insane if you think wooden puppets are keeping up with explosives that outsped Gaara's Jinchuriki sand.



Lol so you think a pile of dust is going to do anything to someone who can spread it away with the most minimal of explosives? I don't think Hebi Sasuke beats SM Naruto so this is pointless, I'm saying Deidara > Jiraiya and Deidara > Sasori. So "Barely" beating Deidara isn't a bad feat.

Even if the speed part was true Sage Mode still has durabiltiy and can sense Hebi Sasuke wherever goes.

Sasori still let them regardless and in response to saying Sakura winning doesn't make him stronger than Deidra. That's true, but you forget that Sasori also defeated the 3rd Kazekage and made his body into his own puppet as well in response to the bombs.


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You underestimate that Sasori is capable of any type of poison as well in response to the bombs. Oh and before you mention Sakura saving Kankero. Sasori could've killed him anytime he wanted, which should be obvious.

Sasori>Deidra

Deidra only beat Gaara because he never became a perfect Jinchuraki otherwise Deidra would've dead meat and Deidra got beat by Kakashi who had just reawaken the MS after Rin commit suicide, but that's another story.

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Once again Deidra agrees with me as well, so TY Deidra for admitting Sasori is stronger than you

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Even if the speed part was true Sage Mode still has durabiltiy and can sense Hebi Sasuke wherever goes.

Sasori still let them regardless and in response to saying Sakura winning doesn't make him stronger than Deidra. That's true, but you forget that Sasori also defeated the 3rd Kazekage and made his body into his own puppet as well in response to the bombs.


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You underestimate that Sasori is capable of any type of poison as well in response to the bombs. Oh and before you mention Sakura saving Kankero. Sasori could've killed him anytime he wanted, which should be obvious.

Sasori>Deidra

Deidra only beat Gaara because he never became a perfect Jinchuraki otherwise Deidra would've dead meat and Deidra got beat by Kakashi who had just reawaken the MS after Rin commit suicide, but that's another story.

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Once again Deidra agrees with me as well, so TY Deidra for admitting Sasori is stronger than you

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In the Akatsuki, didn't each pair have a senior? So between Kakuzu and Hidan, Kakuzu was the senior. Between Itachi and Kisame, Itachi was the superior, etc. So in all cases, we have the senior being stronger. Shouldn't the same apply to Sasori and Deidara?
 

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From our knowledge of Kirin, the fight prolonging only increases Sasuke's chance at claiming victory. So basically, in the short term Naruto wins more times than not, and long term wise, Sasuke wins more often. Although far from happening, if Naruto can somehow use SM twice, besides at the beginning, he wins because a tired Sasuke can't possibly take on an SM Naruto.
 
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