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Its not an extension of the hidden mist technique. Thats my point. Its a completely different technique so to say it will have the same properties is wrong.

The db entry says it's mist. Mist is defined as floating water particles. The databook also implies it's functioning, which is Mei controlling the PH of this mist. So yeah, it bassically is. It's floating liquid particles, that were added H+ so turned acidic.
 

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The db entry says it's mist. Mist is defined as floating water particles. The databook also implies it's functioning, which is Mei controlling the PH of this mist. So yeah, it bassically is. It's floating liquid particles, that were added H+ so turned acidic.

This is the only translation I found. Nothing about mist. Just boil vapo.

Futton Koumu no Jutsu

Without exception everything exposed to the boil vapor will melt.

The Jutsu is vomited from the mouth like breath, it causes skin, flesh, and blood, to melt. The body melts due to it possessing a powerful acid property. Chakra defense are melted and nullified. In the face of it's power Sasuke's absolute defense Susano'o could not bare it, and it's chakra defense melted.

The walls don't, but the body and sturdy chakra armor melt.

But even then Shizune's attack is also called mist so that doesnt mean a thing.

Poison Mist (毒霧, Dokugiri)
Ninjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Shizune

Becoming filled with deadly poison
A breath of of certain death!!

Chakra is kneaded within the body and then changed into special chemical substances. It is then ejected through the mouth! When this substance comes in contact with the air outside the body, it instantly changes and is transformed into a mist of deadly poison...!! As this techniques combines ninjutsu, chemistry, and medical knowledge, using it requires fine chakra control and advanced ability in medical ninjutsu.

[picture of Shizune releasing the Poison Mist]
→↓The poison's ability to kill is tremendous. Just breathing in a small amount will mean the end of one's life, right there and then.
[picture of Shizune releasing the Poison Mist]
 

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This is the only translation I found. Nothing about mist. Just boil vapo.



But even then Shizune's attack is also called mist so that doesnt mean a thing.

Hold on i'll link you to a thread where it's specified it's mist (plus in the anime, where there are no longer translation mistakes, it's referred as mist)

And Shizune's poison mist means that her poison is in liquid form, floating particles
 

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Hold on i'll link you to a thread where it's specified it's mist (plus in the anime, where there are no longer translation mistakes, it's referred as mist)

And Shizune's poison mist means that her poison is in liquid form, floating particles

Again the word mist means nothing, the two techniques are not connected. They arent and have never been put into the same category as mist ninjustu. They dont have similar naming conventions and the process in how they are made is different.
 
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Not really. Not sure what's so hard for you to understand about the fact that it's not hard to predict where Manda is going to attack after burrowing underground. He can't hide himself traveling underground either since he will have no cover so this makes your argument a million times worse. :lol "She isn't a sensor" lmao. Use common sense for one minute please. Manda goes underground and then she evades or counters him with Lava when he emerges.
You really just don't know when to throw in the towl huh? Manda has options here. He could stick his back in out of the ground under Mei since she'll be so alert as you claim she'll instantly shoot her Lava at it's back side. Leaving her back completely exposed and she is then swallowed up.
And no, Manda can't attack directly underground either. He has to burrow above ground to open his mouth and attack, so emerging right under her only leaves her right on top of his head, and then she fodderizes him.
Read the Manga before you deny the obvious. Half of Manda face was still underground so you claim has been debunked. Also unlike last time he'll come out directly under her with his mouth extended to the fullest. Mei isn't dodging reacting or counter attacking . That is 2 solid arguments as of how Mei will get caught.

Backside Pump fake

Coming directly under her with his mouth already fully extended.




An ounce of acid as potent as the ones shown in the Manga getting on a vital area like your face would spell immediate death so I'm not sure why you bothered with that comparison.
Not even going to bother to spit on this arguments ill let you look at it again and realize how horrid it is.

Sasuke is clearly shown to be as tall as half of Manda's head. Mei's Yoton is large enough to cover the entirety of Madara's Ribcage Susanoo, which is far larger than him in overall size and height and there's the fact that Madara is a good amount larger than Sasuke himself too. So no, Manda isn't tanking any kind of Acid attack with little damage.
Except we see on top of Manda's head. that's literally the size of about to humans. Manda evasive feats suggest that it would dodge her Yaton style anyways since which infact has a bigger aoe . just like all the others so stop exaggerating the size to try and prove your moot point. Humans height is completely irrelevant he's about 4-5 inches taller than Sasuke that wouldn't even be visible if you look at them compared to Manda so stop.
And that is Manda being able to open his mouth wide, not him changing the actual size of his head itself. Not sure how changing the size of his head helps him here anyways.
Manda extending his jaws=His head getting bigger.


Manda isn't more durable for any version of Susanoo pound for pound. There's a clear difference. :lol Ay's physical powers took off Hachibi's horn. Ay's physical powers would do worse to Manda. The only thing close to being a durability feat is taking a fraction of C0's power and still dying. Which isn't even a good feat. So all you people are doing is wanking the living hell out of Manda but what else is new :lol :lol Are there even real durability feats for Manda? :lol So no, Manda doesn't tank Lava nor does he tank Acid Mist. It's funny how you are still mentioning durability too even though the Juubi that can tank it's own Bijuu Dama was screaming like a B from Amaterasu+FRS.

Manda gets raped by Acid Mist and Lava. What count as Zetsu's vital areas were completely melted. Half his head was gone. Manda can't fight or survive with that kind of damage so mentioning Zetsu is pointless.
as we can see his arm in a flat swinging motion. Ofc a Ration chop would cut Hachibi we already seen it rip through the mini Buddha. Raikage Ay smashed Susanoo with blunt force is extended on his fingers. Not wanking Manda just stating the Obvious as to how Manda is a viable counter for Mei arsenal which it is. Except Mei acid mist doesn't burn fast enough nor does it have the same feats in an open area as it did in a small 30 foot room and i think that's pretty obvious.

And do you even know how shedding skin works? If the outer layer of skin is damaged then he can shed his skin and recover from the damage, but if he's severely burnt then shedding skin won't work because what is under said skin will still be damaged. That is why he ran from Katsuyu's Acid.
He'll shed his skin before any serious or major damage has occured obviously. He dodged Katsuyu's acid because he didn't want to get hit. That's basic knowledge even if you could counter an ability why would you let yourself get hit anyways.

Lmao pretty funny that you are trying to argue that a snake solos Mei. Of all the things. Come on now. You can easily do better than this given the character being used here.
Never said a snake solo's her. Sasuke himself could let Manda take her/stall her while he uses a Mini Kirin to take her out. She has human durability so even a Kirin on the smallest scale would wide her out.
 

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You really just don't know when to throw in the towl huh? Manda has options here. He could stick his back in out of the ground under Mei since she'll be so alert as you claim she'll instantly shoot her Lava at it's back side. Leaving her back completely exposed and she is then swallowed up.

Or she could just create distance and then attack. :lol Nice try though.

Read the Manga before you deny the obvious. Half of Manda face was still underground so you claim has been debunked. Also unlike last time he'll come out directly under her with his mouth extended to the fullest. Mei isn't dodging reacting or counter attacking . That is 2 solid arguments as of how Mei will get caught.

Backside Pump fake

Coming directly under her with his mouth already fully extended.

Lmao I'm seriously starting to question whether or not you can properly read and comprehend pictures and words at this point. That scan shows Manda above ground with his mouth open. It doesn't show Manda with his mouth open as he rises from the ground. Meaning he needs to come above ground AND THEN open his mouth like I've already stated. "Half of his face was underground", no, if you stop being a fool and start looking at the scans without crust in your eyes then you'll see that his entire face is above ground.

Not even going to bother to spit on this arguments ill let you look at it again and realize how horrid it is.


Except we see on top of Manda's head. that's literally the size of about to humans. Manda evasive feats suggest that it would dodge her Yaton style anyways since which infact has a bigger aoe . just like all the others so stop exaggerating the size to try and prove your moot point. Humans height is completely irrelevant he's about 4-5 inches taller than Sasuke that wouldn't even be visible if you look at them compared to Manda so stop.

Manda extending his jaws=His head getting bigger.

Irrelevant. Orochimaru and Kabuto being small compared to the entire surface area of the head doesn't say anything about the height of the head and as the scan you yourself posted (and now want to ignore now that it's hurting your argument. :lol Typical) shows that in terms of height Sasuke is a little less than half height of Manda's head. Acid Mist is larger than Susanoo which is larger than a human. You don't have a point here.

And it's pretty pathetic how much you children will lie about what is on panel just to make it seem like you are correct.



I don't care what you think about it's size. In terms of overall size it's far larger than Madara himself, and Mei's Lava is enough in quantity to cover that and then some. Sasuke is smaller than Madara and his height is half of Manda's head. Manda taking Lava to the face and living or being able to continue the fight is just more idiotic wank.

And if she's as far away as Katsuyu then sure, Manda will dodge, but considering your strategy has them coming relatively close this doesn't matter.


as we can see his arm in a flat swinging motion. Ofc a Ration chop would cut Hachibi we already seen it rip through the mini Buddha. Raikage Ay smashed Susanoo with blunt force is extended on his fingers. Not wanking Manda just stating the Obvious as to how Manda is a viable counter for Mei arsenal which it is. Except Mei acid mist doesn't burn fast enough nor does it have the same feats in an open area as it did in a small 30 foot room and i think that's pretty obvious.

Lmao. Do you read what you type before you actually click Post? Ay did nothing special to his arm when he attacked Hachibi as the scans clearly show. He used his same old Lateral Chop. The only difference is that he attacked Hachibi from above and attacked Sasuke from the sides. He cut Hachibi's horn off and ripped through Susanoo in both occasions.

Raiton knife? Lmao. Quit making shit up. Ay has no special cutting technique. The thing that makes his attack close to being a cutting technique is the fact that his hand is surrounded by Raiton when he does his Karate Chop. Nothing more, nothing less.

Manda has no feats that let it take Acid Mist and Lava and continue to fight. The "open area vs closed area" debate has been thoroughly beaten to death. If you want to make up more imaginary claims about how oxygen affects the acidity of mist then go right ahead and address my post to RedRobin. :lol

He'll shed his skin before any serious or major damage has occured obviously. He dodged Katsuyu's acid because he didn't want to get hit. That's basic knowledge even if you could counter an ability why would you let yourself get hit anyways.
Lmao what? The moment it touches his face the damage has been done. There is no "he sheds off his entire skin after he gets hit, but before he takes the damage". It's like you claim things without actually thinking how they'd actually happen in the first place. My God. :lol

Never said a snake solo's her. Sasuke himself could let Manda take her/stall her while he uses a Mini Kirin to take her out. She has human durability so even a Kirin on the smallest scale would wide her out.

Maybe if Manda weren't such a poor distraction this strategy would actually help. :lol
 
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Lmao I'm seriously starting to question whether or not you can properly read and comprehend pictures and words at this point.

No need to question , its a blatant fact when considering his/her's crappy comprehension of the events that took place in this scan.
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Both of Kimmimaro hands were free there so even without the bones shooting out of his rib cage he had multiple means of defense. He didn't reck Kimmimaro in cqc at all weather he was in base on in cm1.

Once again 0 evidence. Kimmimaro pre cm1 didn't ger trashed in cqc as Drunken lee was only able to land one solid hit. Kimmimaro shooting bones out of his body clearly wasn't a necessity since he was able to keep up with Lee without being in cm1.

To a logical reader it would be obvious that Lee humiliated Kimimaro and easily got rid of both his arms neg diff leaving his belly wide open much to Kimi's surprise , while to this reader its clear that kimi had multiple means of defense in that instance , without using his KKG:lmao:
 
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No need to question , its a blatant fact when considering his/her's crappy comprehension of the events that took place in this scan.
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To a logical reader it would be obvious that Lee humiliated Kimimaro and easily got rid of both his arms neg diff leaving his belly wide open much to Kimi's surprise , while to this reader its clear that kimi had multiple means of defense in that instance , without using his KKG:lmao:

Seriously your still salty? I proved you wrong in that thread. Even Haizaki admitted that Lee would lose to an unrestricted vote 1 Sasuke.

Lol:lmao: He humiliated Kimmimaro by finding an open spot in his defense that he couldn't even attack on? Your insanely stupid and exaggerate every feat ever done. Further more that was an entirely different debate no reason to bring that here especially since you were wrong in the long run since both parties agreed that CM2 Vote 1 Sasuke would beat Lee in Taijutsu.
 
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Lol:lmao: He humiliated Kimmimaro by finding an open spot in his defense that he couldn't even attack on?

Exactly . because my point was that Lee humiliated him in taijutsu , which he did as is the whole reason he needed to use his KKGo.o

Further more that was an entirely different debate no reason to bring that here especially since you were wrong in the long run since both parties agreed that CM2 Vote 1 Sasuke would beat Lee in Taijutsu.

Seriously your still salty? I proved you wrong in that thread. Even Haizaki admitted that Lee would lose to an unrestricted vote 1 Sasuke.

LOL salty about wat? no , I was simply reading the debate then agreed with wat KG was saying then showed part of why i agreed. Second , i wasn't debating against CM2 Sasuke nor was it a topic so its stupid to say that u proved me wrong when ur the one that said Sasuke decimates Drunken Lee ESPECIALLY when unrestricted. The debate was solely about Base Sasuke in CQC in which u didn't have even close to a substantial point and was wrong at every turn which is why ur bringing up a nonexistent debate u claim to have won which didn't even involve CM2 Sasuke.

-But yea no need to bring that here so dont reply to this post , just wanted to point out how delusional u were to someone who's seeing for himself first hand..
 
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No need to question , its a blatant fact when considering his/her's crappy comprehension of the events that took place in this scan.
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To a logical reader it would be obvious that Lee humiliated Kimimaro and easily got rid of both his arms neg diff leaving his belly wide open much to Kimi's surprise , while to this reader its clear that kimi had multiple means of defense in that instance , without using his KKG:lmao:

Lmao I peeped that argument in the thread. So wack. :lol It's like this cat ignores the pages of the Manga that disagree with his (or her, don't really give af) statements.
 

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Lmao I peeped that argument in the thread. So wack. :lol It's like this cat ignores the pages of the Manga that disagree with his (or her, don't really give af) statements.

What makes it laughable to me is that this fool claims she proved me wrong when literally eveything i noted was fact supported by the Manga , clearly delusional here with the inability to PROPERLY comprehend manga-scans and apply basic logic to feats so expect a debate to run on for a while unless she quits then claims u were already proven wrong like in my case LOL..
 

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You are literally making this nonsense up while I have brought nothing but fact. Water's acidity has nothing to do with the amount of hydrogen and hydroxide. Not oxygen. That's a fact. Quit repeating this nonsense as if you know what you are talking about, because you clearly don't, which is why you've said the same thing 3 times now while ignoring what is being said to you.

Acidity is determined by hydroxide and hydrogen ions. Period.

Alright I will concede that oxygen wont make it less acidic. I was wrong in that regard however the huge amount of oxygen will spread out the acid in the same way it would with smoke making it less potent in one area. Just like Shizune's mist which eventually disappeared into the air.

Meaning EVENTUALLY (Key word here, try to pay attention) the Acid Mist will surpass the amount of oxygen. Not at that very moment. So again, you have no point here as we aren't talking about eventually we are talking about at that very moment. DB attributes the feat of melting Susanoo to Mei's tech's power. Not interested in the ridiculous argumentation you have here.

KG:And even if I agreed with this baseless conclusion then you'd have to show why there is more mist in an enclosed space than there is oxygen, but you can't do that.

This was your argument and I proved what you asked and eventually doesnt at all change my argument. No this doesnt happen instantaneously nor did I say it would. Even in an outdoor environment what I was originally arguing for wouldnt happen instantaneously but eventually the acid would become less potent and disappear.

@Bold Ok? Has nothing to do with what I am saying?

Fine, doesn't impact my arguments much regardless.

That was literally your argument but ok.
 

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Alright I will concede that oxygen wont make it less acidic. I was wrong in that regard however the huge amount of oxygen will spread out the acid in the same way it would with smoke making it less potent in one area. Just like Shizune's mist which eventually disappeared into the air.

So basically eventually it disappears? Yeah, we already agreed on that. Doesn't mean that it'll be less potent before that actually happens.


KG:And even if I agreed with this baseless conclusion then you'd have to show why there is more mist in an enclosed space than there is oxygen, but you can't do that.

This was your argument and I proved what you asked and eventually doesnt at all change my argument. No this doesnt happen instantaneously nor did I say it would. Even in an outdoor environment what I was originally arguing for wouldnt happen instantaneously but eventually the acid would become less potent and disappear.

You said that the Acid is less potent because most of the area is oxygen, and that this wasn't the case for Mei vs. Sasuke because the area they were in had less oxygen than Mist. You've yet to actually prove that. Eventually is irrelevant. If your claim made any sense Acid Mist would never have been as potent as it was in that room.

And lmao now you say you were arguing for it "eventually" disappearing when that was a separate point altogether from the potency of Acid Mist part of our argument. :lol


@Bold Ok? Has nothing to do with what I am saying?

It means stop with this ridiculous attempts to try and make it seem like the environment will change the power of the technique.

That was literally your argument but ok.[/QUOTE]



No, it really wasn't. I suggest you actually read before you respond.
 

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No need to question , its a blatant fact when considering his/her's crappy comprehension of the events that took place in this scan.
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To a logical reader it would be obvious that Lee humiliated Kimimaro and easily got rid of both his arms neg diff leaving his belly wide open much to Kimi's surprise , while to this reader its clear that kimi had multiple means of defense in that instance , without using his KKG:lmao:

She's right. You're clearly salty. Lol

OT: Mei reaction speed feats anyone....? She'd be swallowed.
 
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What makes it laughable to me is that this fool claims she proved me wrong when literally eveything i noted was fact supported by the Manga , clearly delusional here with the inability to PROPERLY comprehend manga-scans and apply basic logic to feats so expect a debate to run on for a while unless she quits then claims u were already proven wrong like in my case LOL..
That must be the only debate were you felt like you actually won huh? When i was from the start debating unrestricted Sasuke. Which as i stated in my post above was correct. Actually when i went back to reread the debate i found that nobody conceded to none of the nonsense you posted it was all Evani and don't say you said the same thing when you didn't he brung concrete evidence to the table while you just went on and on.

I lost because i didn't reply back no ill just let him sit and think on his arguments like i did before.
 

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That must be the only debate were you felt like you actually won huh? When i was from the start debating unrestricted Sasuke. Which as i stated in my post above was correct. Actually when i went back to reread the debate i found that nobody conceded to none of the nonsense you posted it was all Evani and don't say you said the same thing when you didn't he brung concrete evidence to the table while you just went on and on.

I lost because i didn't reply back no ill just let him sit and think on his arguments like i did before.

I was debating Base Sasuke then u came out of nowhere stating that Sasuke decimates Especially if unrestricted with the keyword being especially which clearly means that u thought Sasuke decimates even without CM2. This i made sure to tell u that im not debating against CM2 Sasuke which is obvious since i made it claer even before u popped up talking about CM2.

Anyway Here are all the points Evani made from start to finish which were already noted numerous times by me.

KN0 Naruto blitzing the hell out of 2T Sasuke in VOTE while that same KN0 with clone-army couldn't even touch Kimmimaro who danced through a army of them without being touched while Drunken Lee was "too" fast for him.

-Drunken Lee having INCREASED speed/reflexes compared to Base Lee.

-Kimimaro getting stomped in CQC forcing him to rely on his KKG.

-Fact that Lee's Unorthodox movements would counter 3T in direct melee combat.


I gave Haizki his props with the Databook entry on Drunken Lee which is the only thing i missed unless u can tell me which points i missed? lol but it doesn't change the fact that i was right from the start with all points so lets just end this discussion here and stop spamming this thread with irrelevance since u should be replying to KG..
 

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Since when is Kimi using his KKG not a CQC feat? Drunk Lee wasn't "Humiliating" anyone he was barely pushing back a base Kimi with one bone :lol
 
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Since when is Kimi using his KKG not a CQC feat? Drunk Lee wasn't "Humiliating" anyone he was barely pushing back a base Kimi with one bone :lol
This is why im not responding to this kid. He also thinks Lee stomped Kimmimaro while using curse mark because Lee found an opening in his defense and forced him to use bones shooting from his body lol.
 
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