Hebi Sasuke vs. Jiraiya

[NarutoX28]

What in the world is Sannin level? Is Tsunade included? Yes? Then Sasuke is at that level combat wise. It doesn't get simpler than that.

That's your own subjectivity and there's a thing such as match-ups which you obviously forget to consider. If Hebi Sasuke can't defeat two Sannins, he is not Sannin Level. Can't get any simpler than that.

 

[King Of Pop]

sasuke winning here for me is a joke. jiriya low/mid dif him

 

[ToshiZO]

That's your own subjectivity and there's a thing such as match-ups which you obviously forget to consider. If Hebi Sasuke can't defeat two Sannins, he is not Sannin Level. Can't get any simpler than that.

Uhh no lol stop making this complicated to fit your agenda.

"Matchups" is a great cop out. Sasuke is simply a superior combatant than Tsunade, and he stands a better chance against more characters than Tsunade aswell.

Go ahead and list me the characters that Tsunade can take out vs the characters Hebi Sasuke can. If you want to do this in a vacuum Hebi Sasuke still comes out on top. Hebi Sasuke can take on virtually anyone Tsunade can take on, but the other way does not apply for the most part. No excuses.

 

[ToshiZO]

Btw you realize by your own definition Tsunade is not Sannin level, she herself loses to the other 2 sannin. Crap logic.

 

[NarutoX28]

Btw you realize by your own definition Tsunade is not Sannin level, she herself loses to the other 2 sannin. Crap logic.

Except we're explicitly shown that she can defeat Orochimaru when both are handicapped.

 

[Lord Tywin]

Except we're explicitly shown that she can defeat Orochimaru when both are handicapped.

Take away their handicap and Oro wins. Bad logic

 

[NarutoX28]

Uhh no lol stop making this complicated to fit your agenda.

"Matchups" is a great cop out. Sasuke is simply a superior combatant than Tsunade, and he stands a better chance against more characters than Tsunade aswell.

Go ahead and list me the characters that Tsunade can take out vs the characters Hebi Sasuke can. If you want to do this in a vacuum Hebi Sasuke still comes out on top. Hebi Sasuke can take on virtually anyone Tsunade can take on, but the other way does not apply for the most part. No excuses.

This is all subjective and you haven't proven me why Hebi Sasuke would be Sannin Level simply based on being Tsunade's superior. What you're telling me is that Hebi Sasuke is more equipped to handling more opponents than Tsunade is which is not only unsubstantiated, but gives the impression that Tsunade lacks versatility and isn't even worth considering for the Sannin Level position in the first place. There's absolutely no logic in you perceiving Tsunade as Sannin Level yet lose to majority of characters that aren't depicted as Sannin Level.

I'm not going to conform to your line of thinking unless its actually necessary because all of these opinions on how well Tsunade can operate against most opponents is according to our own subjectivity and isn't set-in-stone.

 

[NarutoX28]

Take away their handicap and Oro wins. Bad logic

That's subjective and baseless. In what way was their handicap depicted as not equivalent?

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Bunta swallows him and then leaves his defecated remains on Orochimaru's front porch a couple hours later.

 

[Lord Tywin]

That's subjective and baseless. In what way was their handicap depicted as not equivalent?

I don't know you tell me. Lacking the soul of your arms, being barely able to even stand, and lacking every technique in your arsenal vs just being battle rusty.

 

[BLAZE]

That's subjective and baseless. In what way was their handicap depicted as not equivalent?

hmmm somebody could not use his arms and hint

it was not tsunade

 

[NarutoX28]

I don't know you tell me. Lacking the soul of your arms, being barely able to even stand, and lacking every technique in your arsenal vs just being battle rusty.

Yet he managed to hop away from Tsunade's attacks without coughing up blood and continue to maneuver around the entire battle-field whilst slamming Jiraiya into the ground as he lunged his blade at Tsunade. This is a pure exaggeration on Orochimaru's condition during the entire battle.

With Tsunade, she wasn't only battle rusty, but suffered from exhaustion prior to the battle, and fatigue from a severely depleted life-force (hence the lack of Yin Seal) which causes all of her physical attributes that she heavily depends on tank as a result.

 

[ToshiZO]

This is all subjective and you haven't proven me why Hebi Sasuke would be Sannin Level simply based on being Tsunade's superior. What you're telling me is that Hebi Sasuke is more equipped to handling more opponents than Tsunade is which is not only unsubstantiated, but gives the impression that Tsunade lacks versatility and isn't even worth considering for the Sannin Level position in the first place. There's absolutely no logic in you perceiving Tsunade as Sannin Level yet lose to majority of characters that aren't depicted as Sannin Level.

I'm not going to conform to your line of thinking unless its actually necessary because all of these opinions on how well Tsunade can operate against most opponents is according to our own subjectivity and isn't set-in-stone.

I say Sasuke beats Tsunade = matchup excuse
I say Sasuke pushed Itachi = matchup excuse
I ask you to list out characters Sasuke and Tsunade can beat = "don't want to because I know I'll prove your point"

How does this pass as an argument? Literally anything Hebi Sasuke does would be a matchup excuse, Its funny if I bring up Deidara who low diffs Tsunade you'll bring a matchup excuse again, and then to validate Deidara in a tier ranking the person Deidara beat (Gaara) who low diffs Tsunade would be a matcup excuse too.

When almost every other character is a "bad matchup" its not a bad matchup anymore, it means something is clearly wrong with the character you're defending

Also there is more to being a ninja than combat skills, Tsunade is exceptional in the medical field which is extremely useful in battle, that alone puts her at Kage level.

 

[Contrivance]

I'm drawing a blank for Jiraiya speed feats. Can he keep up with Sasuke?

lol why did I get disliked for asking for jiraiya speed feats?

 

[BLAZE]

lol why did I get disliked for asking for jiraiya speed feats?

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[unknownvillain1254]

still got shitted on by 3T Itachi

Oro ever fought to kill him because edo fk itachi up all day

 

[BLAZE]

Oro ever fought to kill him because edo fk itachi up all day

doesn't change the fact he got shitted by Itachi who didn't use MS against him

 

[Lord Tywin]

Yet he managed to hop away from Tsunade's attacks without coughing up blood and continue to maneuver around the entire battle-field whilst slamming Jiraiya into the ground as he lunged his blade at Tsunade. This is a pure exaggeration on Orochimaru's condition during the entire battle.

With Tsunade, she wasn't only battle rusty, but suffered from exhaustion prior to the battle, and fatigue from a severely depleted life-force (hence the lack of Yin Seal) which causes all of her physical attributes that she heavily depends on tank as a result.

None of that compares to lacking your soul. Physically Orochimaru was the most restricted in the Sannin show down.
Again, you give Oro his full power(without ET) and he mid diffs Tsunade
SM Jiraiya vs Tsunade is a Low diff for Jiraiya.

Honestly, Tsunade shouldn't even be considered a sannin :lol

 

[BLAZE]

Honestly, Tsunade shouldn't even be considered a sannin :lol

since sannin is just a title given to them by hanzo.its not a rank

Jiraiya nd Oro advanced more than her in 20 years timeline during which she became rusty

 

[Contrivance]

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Thanks bro. A lot of great feats from Jiraiya are highlighted.