But that's not legit. Naruto using the kiuuby gains a lot of power but loses his mind. You can't take the disadvantages away, that's like saying Nagato can use Gedo Mazo without getting crippled or Itachi using MS without blidness.
[VS] Hebi Sasuke Vs 3 Tailes Naruto
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All KN3 Naruto does is recklessly rush in and claw at guys so him having Shadow Clones, Rasengan, and Rasenshuriken is irrelevant because he doesn't even use them in this state because he has no mind of his own.
I'm just saying that with his own mind he'd win, but the OP didn't give him that here.
Haha, You high dawg? I just told you i'm not referring to this VS thread where Naruto is limited to 3T V1. I'm referring to your discussion with Dreagod, that is; Naruto at that point in time where 4T V2 was accessible to him. @Bold: He did, however V2 4T Naruto granulates anything Cm2+3-tomoe Sasuke has to offer besides Genjutsu.
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One claims Deidara's statement in regards to Sasori wasn't true but Orochimaru's statement should definitely hold? Because you're Kishi?...You don't write the Manga for us to read. If you accept one, accept the other as there's no reason to reject one but still take the other one. Either reject both or accept both and don't contradict yourself with "Manga facts" when you're clearly denying facts itself.
If you say it was in order to get Kakashi going back to fight Sasori, then you have to accept the taunt being used to trigger Naruto's anger.
If you say it was in order to get Kakashi going back to fight Sasori, then you have to accept the taunt being used to trigger Naruto's anger.
Can you quote me stating Deidara>Sasori? I merely suggested the context is different, I didn't suggest the statement is false. I obviously believe Sasori>Deidara in the case you don't remember my past posts and threads.
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Uh huh? 
Once again, you're wrong and that is false. Lets be appropriate and consider, fully, the organized occurrence of the series of comments.
You initially stated: Sasuke shits via Genjutsu. Plus, even by sheer strength Orochimaru said Hebi Sasuke was wayyy ahead of KN3 Naruto.
Draegod never responded to this comment; however KRATOS did.
KRATOS stated: By sheer strength Naruto rapes Sasuke, when it comes to feats. Oro probably meant in terms of overall battle prowess. And Oro was trying to get Naruto riled up.
KRATOS is the one being fallacious in context of your comment because the fact that Hebi Sasuke at that point was stronger than the Naruto (V1 3tails) referred to in your comment; it validates and is contextually supported by Orochimaru's Statement----thus KRATOS trying to discredit it, is fallacious.
The statement you made in response to ToshiZO is what Draegod responded to.
Your fourth comment/ response to ToshiZO: How is that hype smh. It's a statement that cannot be hype, he's either stronger or he isn't, and according to Orochimaru Sasuke is without a doubt stronger.
Here you refer to Sasuke at that point being stronger than Naruto in a general sense as nothing here is directly mentioned of 3T V1 naruto----could be unintentional---but it was general. Even if you were to say that it was in conjunction with the conversation and your initial post to which ToshiZO responded; that does not suffice for the fact that you did not specify and could have intentionally changed your wording. On top of that you would go on to quote Orochimaru once more as a support for your argument however you altered the words of a direct quotation (underlined) because that is not exactly what Orochimaru said. According to Orochimaru, and I'll quote him once more: "Naruto had way's more to go, in order to catch up with Sasuke"
Draegod's response:
Also and Genjutsu aside Hebi Sasuke is never getting the time to prepare Kirin, even if so, a Biju Dama blows it away and V2 cloak
Once again, you're wrong and that is false. Lets be appropriate and consider, fully, the organized occurrence of the series of comments. You initially stated: Sasuke shits via Genjutsu. Plus, even by sheer strength Orochimaru said Hebi Sasuke was wayyy ahead of KN3 Naruto.
Draegod never responded to this comment; however KRATOS did.
KRATOS stated: By sheer strength Naruto rapes Sasuke, when it comes to feats. Oro probably meant in terms of overall battle prowess. And Oro was trying to get Naruto riled up.
KRATOS is the one being fallacious in context of your comment because the fact that Hebi Sasuke at that point was stronger than the Naruto (V1 3tails) referred to in your comment; it validates and is contextually supported by Orochimaru's Statement----thus KRATOS trying to discredit it, is fallacious.
The statement you made in response to ToshiZO is what Draegod responded to.
Your fourth comment/ response to ToshiZO: How is that hype smh. It's a statement that cannot be hype, he's either stronger or he isn't, and according to Orochimaru Sasuke is without a doubt stronger.
Here you refer to Sasuke at that point being stronger than Naruto in a general sense as nothing here is directly mentioned of 3T V1 naruto----could be unintentional---but it was general. Even if you were to say that it was in conjunction with the conversation and your initial post to which ToshiZO responded; that does not suffice for the fact that you did not specify and could have intentionally changed your wording. On top of that you would go on to quote Orochimaru once more as a support for your argument however you altered the words of a direct quotation (underlined) because that is not exactly what Orochimaru said. According to Orochimaru, and I'll quote him once more: "Naruto had way's more to go, in order to catch up with Sasuke"
Draegod's response:
Dreagod's Second response:Draegod said:
Neither response say's anything of KN3 Naruto nor refer's to your initial post, like you're trying to claim. The only person(s) that can ever be applicable to is KRATOS and ToshiZO. However what do you notice that is similar?Draegod said:
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Draegod responded to you in the same general sense you made that altered quotation of Orochimaru's statement. I understood where he was coming from, his argument is that Orochimaru was making exaggerations on Sasuke without being knowledgeable of what Naruto was fully capable of at that point; however he kept referring to Orochimaru's exaggeration as a hyperbole.Draegod said:
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My debate with Draegod was never an off-topic discussion from my perspective. There is presumed intention that he is referring to v1 KN3 Naruto since this is the OP's stipulation. Either way, you're nitpicking if you don't realise that Orochimaru's statement is only extensive as the occurrences that happened, KN3 being the furthest extent. Obviously nobody believes Naruto going KN8<<Sasuke @bold, I don't need to specify because there's presumed intention of complying with OP's stipulations.Uh huh?
You initially stated: Sasuke shits via Genjutsu. Plus, even by sheer strength Orochimaru said Hebi Sasuke was wayyy ahead of KN3 Naruto.
Draegod never responded to this comment; however KRATOS did.
KRATOS stated: By sheer strength Naruto rapes Sasuke, when it comes to feats. Oro probably meant in terms of overall battle prowess. And Oro was trying to get Naruto riled up.
KRATOS is the one being fallacious in context of your comment because the fact that Hebi Sasuke at that point was stronger than the Naruto (V1 3tails) referred to in your comment; it validates and is contextually supported by Orochimaru's Statement----thus KRATOS trying to discredit it, is fallacious.
The statement you made in response to ToshiZO is what Draegod responded to.
Your fourth comment/ response to ToshiZO: How is that hype smh. It's a statement that cannot be hype, he's either stronger or he isn't, and according to Orochimaru Sasuke is without a doubt stronger.
Here you refer to Sasuke at that point being stronger than Naruto in a general sense as nothing here is directly mentioned of 3T V1 naruto----could be unintentional---but it was general. Even if you were to say that it was in conjunction with the conversation and your initial post to which ToshiZO responded; that does not suffice for the fact that you did not specify and could have intentionally changed your wording. On top of that you would go on to quote Orochimaru once more as a support for your argument however you altered the words of a direct quotation (underlined) because that is not exactly what Orochimaru said. According to Orochimaru, and I'll quote him once more: "Naruto had way's more to go, in order to catch up with Sasuke"
Draegod's response:
Dreagod's Second response:
Neither response say's anything of KN3 Naruto nor refer's to your initial post, like you're trying to claim. The only person(s) that can ever be applicable to is KRATOS and ToshiZO. However what do you notice that is similar?
Draegod responded to you in the same general sense you made that altered quotation of Orochimaru's statement. I understood where he was coming from, his argument is that Orochimaru was making exaggerations on Sasuke without being knowledgeable of what Naruto was fully capable of at that point; however he kept referring to Orochimaru's exaggeration as a hyperbole.
Also and Genjutsu aside Hebi Sasuke is never getting the time to prepare Kirin, even if so, a Biju Dama blows it away and V2 cloakYou must be registered for see imagesYou must be registered for see linksYou must be registered for see linkswith 0 damage.
@red Shooting a couple of Katon's in the sky while Manda or Aoda handle KN4 Naruto is now a difficult task? Ok buddy. Bijuu Dama being tanked by Kn6 is now Kn4 Naruto's feat? Ok buddy. Not that it's as strong as Kirin anyways when Deva was barely damaged by the outskirts of the explosion, leading me to believe even the epicentre is nowhere near comparable to a regular TBB or Kirin.
Fam. What presumed intention? Again Draegod did not respond to your initial post nor did he respond to this thread directly. His first response was against the altered quotation of Orochimaru's statement that you made and it was General. Every response Draegod made after that was an attempt to establish that Orochimaru was exaggerating Sasuke abilities without being fully cognizant of all that naruto was capable of. Apex,
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if Dreagod was referring to v1 KN3 Naruto why would he state this: Draegod said:
When everyone knows that at that point, Orochimaru could have felt and had a good sense of what Naruto was capable of while in V1 3T because of the statement he made:
...And the fact that everyone knows he can indeed sense Naruto's power?
@ Bold: Mhm? Apex, Manda and Aoda only have one attack; it's called attempt to bite/swallow and since they have absolutely no intel on v2 4T Naruto there's a 100% chance that this will occur and the moment they swallow him; Naruto will massacre Their soft insides----either killing them or forcing them to reverse summon to avoid death. Also a blow like this [
Here is the size of v2 4T Naruto's Bijudama compared to nearby forestry:
Here's the height the blast range of that Biju-Dama covered:
My question Apex is what do you think is a more sturdy material: The bricks used to create the Uchiha hideout or a Rashōmon summon?
Sorry fam but that Biju-Dama would negate Kirin.
...And the fact that everyone knows he can indeed sense Naruto's power?
@ Bold: Mhm?
Apex, Manda and Aoda only have one attack; it's called attempt to bite/swallow and since they have absolutely no intel on v2 4T Naruto there's a 100% chance that this will occur and the moment they swallow him; Naruto will massacre Their soft insides----either killing them or forcing them to reverse summon to avoid death. Also a blow like this [
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and they all perform the same attack simultaneously. Aoda/Manda are getting thrashed. I'll also remind you that the location is in a forest on a clear day and that Sasuke will still have to wait patiently for his rain clouds. However he's not performing Kirin for the simple fact that there is nothing in his arsenal that could prevent Naruto from reaching him within a small interval of time. Here is the size of Kirin compared to Near by forestry:
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Here is the size of v2 4T Naruto's Bijudama compared to nearby forestry:
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Here's the height the blast range of that Biju-Dama covered:
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My question Apex is what do you think is a more sturdy material: The bricks used to create the Uchiha hideout or a Rashōmon summon?
Sorry fam but that Biju-Dama would negate Kirin.
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The presumed intention that he is replying to me with OT material. I did not think twice about any of his posts revolving around v2 KN4 Naruto because I assumed his posts were on-topic. Furthermore, by your and apparently his logic, Oro's statement is debunked and thus Kishi was wrong merely because Naruto could turn KN8 and vaporise Sasuke with a punch. Therefor Kishi stating Sasuke>Naruto was fallacious. But again, just like Draegod, your ignorance of context is the reason you are lead to such erroneous conclusions about Kishi's statement, it's not kishi's statement itself that is misleading. It is clear to an 8 year old that when Kishi is referencing Naruto's jinchuriki powers he's talking about the ones he was utilising at the time, then when Naruto turns v2 the sensation turns 'quite different' and the previous statement that Sasuke>Naruto no longer applies. It's like somebody fighting Ay for the first time while Ay is in Base, and they say "Tsunade shits on you fam." Then Ay turns v1, that statement no longer applies, it's a new game from thereon out. It doesn't mean Tsunade can't win, it just means the previous statement is no longer relevant. When I said Sasuke "was without a doubt stronger" it was obviously in reference to that particular Naruto, and assuming I meant KN8 Naruto is only your failed assumption.
Addressed, or not relevant. Pick one.
So I'm guessing you believe Manda cannot constrict his opponent?@ Bold: Mhm?You must be registered for see links] will do damage much more if Naruto createsYou must be registered for see linksand they all perform the same attack simultaneously. Aoda/Manda are getting thrashed. I'll also remind you that the location is in a forest on a clear day and that Sasuke will still have to wait patiently for his rain clouds. However he's not performing Kirin for the simple fact that there is nothing in his arsenal that could prevent Naruto from reaching him within a small interval of time.
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I'm guessing you believe Manda's tail whip does not inflict massive damage
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I'm' guessing you believe Manda cannot whip its tail from beneath KN4 Naruto while the main body is attacking?
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I'm guessing you believe Sasuke's prep for Kirin takes long?
Here we see the sky is clear
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Sasuke fires the Katon a couple of seconds after;
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The sky becomes FILLED with the clouds just a few seconds after the Katon reaches the sky
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So all in all it'll take Sasuke like 5-10 seconds of prep, something Manda can easily buy time for. Patiently wait for my ass.
Naruto can create clones in KN4 now? Just another one of Waltz's fan-fics, not surprised. That's not a clone, that's just chakra in the form of the Kyuubi like a chakra arm in the form of his hand. Nowhere near the power his actual strike is, obviously. Manda survives the epicentre of a 10km large explosion for a few moments before he got teleported away. His body didn't disintegrate, even though the heat of a much smaller bomb would be in the ~100,000,000 degrees Celsius range. Naruto's physical attacks will not be ripping through him at all, very slight damage at best.
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Did this guy just say that KN4's Bijuu Dama is stronger than Kirin? Bruh. No. Even if we were to compare using size alone, Uchiha Hideout Mountain>>Rashomon Gates in size.
He's measuring it against the trees, although I'm unsure of how he knows the size of those trees being the same as one another. Although it's still wrong since the amount of trees isn't comparable in the first place @waltz
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plus the trees are huge. Trees are larger than that platform on the top of the building
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. Those platforms are this massive
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in contrast to the mini trees in Naruto's fight
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