[VS] Hebi Sasuke Vs 3 Tailes Naruto
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lmfao there's plenty more then just with Itachi's case. You only gonna defend the ones you care to defend?
And I love how this shit could be bent to back anyone's beliefs. Why aren't you using the same logic for Orochimaru's statement? Why are you using this as Kishi's statement. Orochimaru being the snake that he is could just be egging on Naruto, that would certainly add realism to it as well, and it makes sense given Orochimaru's character.
Bingo, this is the bs hypocrisy I'm talking about right here. Twist and turn whatever you want whenever you want to. I agree with most of these statements if backed up, simple as that.
Exactly! He is to Blind to see the opposite side of the spectrum. Again I hate users like him who choose to believe what is fact based off what they think was meant. It's either you believe it all (hype/talk) or takes feats to represent what is shown.
Ok, and what if Sasori is stronger than Deidara? Or do you have some form of evident statement that Deidara>Sasori? He saw Naruto's physical capabilities, that's ALL Naruto is capable of in KN3 buddy. Lmfao either way I'm done arguing with your dumbass in threads, now I see what people mean when they call you a retard.
Then bring them here and I'll shit on them. I only defend the ones which cannot be rectified or disproven. Has nothing to do with my personal favourable outcomes, it has to do with the context.
And no it can't. You can only bend it to back your own beliefs if you fallaciously support it. My arguments are not fallacious, they have clear evidence from context. How can I use the same logic for Orochimaru's statement when he's making a blatant comparison with two people that he's assessed? He saw the extent of Naruto's strength and he saw the extent of Sasuke's, and made the statement that Sasuke>Naruto. There's nothing more to it. If he wanted to egg Naruto he would've said shit like taking over Sasuke's body or Sasuke never returning, Sasuke being stronger than Naruto is not something that would infuriate Naruto to the extent that a "snake" could because Naruto's intention is not to kill or hurt Sasuke. Plus, this thread is talking about Hebi Sasuke before he even absorbed Orochimaru. This is post-Oro absorption Sasuke, who's way stronger.
Sasori is portrayed as Deidara's superior since Deidara always submits to him. It is possible that Deidara said that to send Kakashi away since Deidara gauges people's strength by their art, and believes his own art to be greater than Sasori's (Imo at least). However, based on portrayal Sasori>Deidara. I wouldn't use that scan as proof of the statement, but I could.
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Is there such a thing as a question that's more than one sentence? Wouldn't that be multiple questions?
Did you fail to read my post? Either way I've stated Sasori>Deidara countless times in the past and have also stated Deidara>Sasori countless times in the past. I have no idea where you are going with this, but portrayal wise Sasori shits on him as his superior in the same way Itachi is Kisam'e superior and Kakuzu is Hidan's superior in their Akatsuki pairings. The statement adds to that too, the only reason Deidara beats Sasori is because he's a bad match-up for him in the same way Deidara can beat someone much stronger than him; Kisame. Either way, I didn't state Deidara>Sasori, I was simply telling him why his logic is flawed. By your logic I also stated Kin/Gin<Tobirama+Raikage. I left the option available but I did not comment on the power itself. If you disagree, then quote me saying Deidara>Sasori in a general stand-point rather than a match-up situation. I guarantee you won't find anything.
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Unorthodox
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Well...
I've already tried to open Apex's eyes to the fact that he is appealing to authority when he try's to validate claims made by a character by claiming that the said statements are coming from the Author, Kishimoto and are therefore true. That is fallacious as characters can and have in many cases made statements or estimations that were in actuality false:
I've already tried to open Apex's eyes to the fact that he is appealing to authority when he try's to validate claims made by a character by claiming that the said statements are coming from the Author, Kishimoto and are therefore true. That is fallacious as characters can and have in many cases made statements or estimations that were in actuality false:
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You have a point here and are correct; it is not a hyperbole but Dreagod also has a point however was using the incorrect terminology. It's an exaggeration, not a hyperbole. The undeniable proof is here:
Orochimaru did not know of Naruto's full potential; therefore his statement that "Naruto had way's more to go, in order to catch up with Sasuke" represented something much worse than it really was since the only thing Hebi (Pre Oro) Sasuke truly had over Naruto was Genjutsu.
OT: Sasuke wins for reasons stated (Genjutsu).
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Orochimaru did not know of Naruto's full potential; therefore his statement that "Naruto had way's more to go, in order to catch up with Sasuke" represented something much worse than it really was since the only thing Hebi (Pre Oro) Sasuke truly had over Naruto was Genjutsu.
OT: Sasuke wins for reasons stated (Genjutsu).
WTF. This is some stupid ass shit Waltz, your claim is entirely illogical because you are using the sensation Orochimaru felt from V2 4 tailed Naruto to justify Naruto's strength in his 3 Tailed v1 form
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. I never denied v2 Naruto being insanely powerful, but I'm not sure what that has do with this thread. I suggest you afk again, because it's pretty obvious you knew that but tried to play on the opposing debater's ignorance of the prior panel. Keep it up 10/10 debating skills call your boy varrah we can get some more img crops leading to out of context assertions.
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Stop being a dumbass DOOD, I'm appealing to authority because the authority of the manga's word is what goes. If he says something in an interview to rectify something that occurred in the manga then that rectification is what applies as canon.
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Nobody argued with the manga, it was oru opinion not fact since they've yet to fight. What mine and others are saying is you choose what phrase or hype or he said she said is true based on who you like. Which is retarded unless you take it all as fact with out question and disregard feats! Is kingin stronger then the 2 hokage a in there prime? Based on manga hype they are with out question!! Based on feats displayed tobirama appears to be superior. Get it?
Bro you have no idea what you're talking about. Oro's opinion stated here
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came a page after Naruto attacked Orochimaru, and several pages after Naruto showcased his chakra strength by destroying the bridge. Either way I already told you why that pile of rubbish is out of context and illogical. No point in going over it again, nor do I want to debate that topic with you again since I know it won't go anywhere.
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@ Bold: Nope.Your discussion with Dreagod is what I am referring to (Naruto vs Pre Oro Hebi Sasuke at this [
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] point), not this VS thread (3 Tails V1 Naruto vs Pre Oro Hebi Sasuke). Naruto at that point had access to 4tails V2 while the Naruto in this VS thread is limited to V1 3tails. My point still remains that it was an exaggeration of Sasukes abilities as the only thing Sasuke truly had over Naruto at that point was Genjutsu. @ Red: Lol. Read above babe.
@ Blue: Yeah, yeah. The whole world does not need to know that if Kishimoto was to say that Konohamaru > Kaguya that you'd be first in line to believe. On the other hand I prefer to work with canonical evidence of things. Regardless of whether or not Kisimoto is the Author, if he issues a statement that cannot be proven true by the Manga it is therefore false. Kishimoto is human and can be mislead, can be bias, can be subject to group-think. If Kishimoto says Konohamaru > Kaguya when all evidence in the manga points towards the contrary and Masashi himself cannot prove his statement to be true via the Manga then----whether he is the Author or not----it is therefore false because Kishimoto can lie while hard copy Manga scans (Truthful evidence) cannot. :ilu:
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"Taunt"
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Orochimaru continues to "taunt" Naruto.
Orochimaru was just being sarcastic lil shit, his words shouldn't always be taken literally. That's my boy lol
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Orochimaru continues to "taunt" Naruto.
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Orochimaru was just being sarcastic lil shit, his words shouldn't always be taken literally. That's my boy lol
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Your point would be valid if Naruto had something besides physical strength and speed in KN3. But he doesn't, that's all he is in KN3. Orochimaru saw his physical capabilities, oh, and he saw a chakra roar destroying a bridge, plus he saw Naruto using chakra arms to extend his reach, yet made the claim of Sasuke>Naruto. You keep making the assumption that Genjutsu is the only thing Sasuke has over Naruto when CM2+3T would easily allow Sasuke to track his speed and react when a cripple Orochimaru was capable of reacting at times, and then when entering snake mode, Oro could even hit the v2 KN4 Naruto. Overall Sasuke shits by portrayal, by feats and by Oro's statement.
I didn't like it xoxoxo
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