Hebi Sasuke>>Sage Mode Naruto

[Tyris]

And I asked for a scan. Your claim that people bar animal path can summon them, is just that, a claim. No ninja has been able to summon more than one largest creature avaliable more than once. And your analogy is faulty. This is a path. A path connected to Rinnegan. Let's get real here.

So, you basically ended up proving me that he was out of chakra then and drew on Kurama's in its stead? There is so such thing as "will power" summoning. I mean, come on! And let's face it, how many times has Naruto summoned a large summon on his own?



Third is not even remotely as fast as Ae. This can be easily proven by two things: one, Shee makes no reference of Third's speed. In fact, he puts Ae's non-cloaked speed at Minato's level and his cloaked (without the Bijuu level reserves augmentation) well above Minato. That is in the Viz translation of the page. You can look at it yourself.

Two, no one managed to not intercept the guy's movements. Literally no one. Sure, once he ran midst the ninjas, no one could react, but they all put up walls before he reached them. Not to mention Dodai made the ballon and grabbed Naruto when Raikage was at point blank range:

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A fodder, a nobody with no speed feats managed to make handseals, create a ballon and take Naruto to safety when that guy is about 10 feet away. When people like Jugo in full CS2 armor (that gives them 10 times their original power), Bee and KCM NAruto (he's slower than SM Naruto, though bar that one miracle escape) were being punched around like ragdolls. Bee makes no comparisons between their speeds as well. 3rd is nowhere near as fast as 4th. Not even close.

And, no disrespect intended, but that is not how Mach number is calculated. Those people who think it's moving at hyper sonic speed need to get acquainted with physics. Their calculations are laughable. Where did they get that number from anyway? Not to mention the scene where Deva stabbed two clones, who sat still, then lunged at him. He evaded and stabbed them with black rods and they thudded down. He dodged FRS afterwards. So, let me guess, all of that was happening at well above mach 80 or something? I mean, only then it is possible for FRS to move at that speed.

No, real world logic works here as Clay based explosives and their detonation velocities are a real thing. C1, C2, C3 etc. they all exist. And guess what their primary ingredient and Deidara's is? That's right. It's clay! Real logic applies to where it has been used. Even the clay molding scans from the manga are exactly the same as it's molded in real life. Quite literally.

So, Sasuke moving at above mach 20 to easily outspeed the velocity of the blast is an incredible feat. Something Naruto doesn't even compare to. He has produced nothing that is anywhere near it. Deidara constantly comments that it is difficult to catch him, and he keeps upping the blast radius. Why? Because Sasuke was proving too fast for the shockwave of the blast.



What differene would that make? You think a Clay bomb is only lethal if it goes off on someone? You cannot be serious! Look at the size of that blast and rocks flying up. You think a Rasengan can even accomplish that? All Rasengans of medium to small sizees have done is tear up soft ground in case of Minato, and that's it. That thing isn't even denting Sasuke's CS2 armour. Also, Naruto will have to catch him first.



Incoming NE doesn't affect FK in any manner. FK is simply an explusion of Senjutsu from the pores. Naruto cannot keep extra NE into his system nor can he manipulate it in any manner outside his body. He has no such ability. That is how he managed to break that rod as well. Wikia is not a credible source. As I said, Naruto has no such ability to manipulate NE in an area. Only Kabuto does.



Actually, he said that because no one had EMS in his time or afterwards. He was talking about EMS, not any other form of Sharingan. You misread his statement as he was talking about Mokuton Bunshins not Kage Bunshins. He doesn't have to tell as Sasuke is one of the smartest tactitians in the manga. Remember what he did at the rooftop?



He didn't avoid it. He trained his eye to tell him if he was in Genjutsu. He saw the whole thing. So that means the Genjutsu was successful.

Naruto has shown no CQC prowess like Gai to fight without looking at an individual. You are treading into the non-canon domain here. If you have any scan of Naruto doing that, then show it. Anyhow, keep your replies short, concise and to the point. I don't come here often. And if this drags on, I'll simply drop this debate.

Handing out L's with a handbasket x'D

 

[Guntah]

L-ol typical fap retort.

How does one lose an objective tie? :flakez:

How does one win by scraping out a draw for the first time in life? :kk:

600+ chapters and the MC never achieved a definitive win on Le Sauce

But I digress.. the True fire shadow m'Lord Crow solos all anyhows :bdpf:

Bruh, I ain't no Naruto fap. I just like rustling them Sasukebase fools' jimies. :lol

 

[Tyris]

Bruh, I ain't no Naruto fap. I just like rustling them Sasukebase fools' jimies. :lol

Sho lol

 

[To Whatever]

Handing out L's with a handbasket x'D

Dick riding hard af...

 

[Guntah]

And I asked for a scan. Your claim that people bar animal path can summon them, is just that, a claim. No ninja has been able to summon more than one largest creature avaliable more than once. And your analogy is faulty. This is a path. A path connected to Rinnegan. Let's get real here.

So, you basically ended up proving me that he was out of chakra then and drew on Kurama's in its stead? There is so such thing as "will power" summoning. I mean, come on! And let's face it, how many times has Naruto summoned a large summon on his own?

I didn't say he summoned it with willpower, come on, that's stupid. What I showed there is that he summoned it with something he considered to be "little chakra" by forcing himself to draw all of it out in one single summoning. He isn't shown taking the Kyuubi chakra at all in the scene. You can even see him taking it later in taht fight and at no point before that.

Ignoring animal path completely here, it was shown that Naruto is capable of summoning a large summon with what he considers "little chakra" and it is shown that summoning more than one animal at a time is very much possible. Your argument on the other hand is that nobody was ever shown doing it, but it was never said it is an impossible feat to accomplish either. The reserves are there, the ability to summon more than one of them is there, so why wouldn't he?

The Third is not even remotely as fast as Ae. This can be easily proven by two things: one, Shee makes no reference of Third's speed. In fact, he puts Ae's non-cloaked speed at Minato's level and his cloaked (without the Bijuu level reserves augmentation) well above Minato. That is in the Viz translation of the page. You can look at it yourself.

Two, no one managed to not intercept the guy's movements. Literally no one. Sure, once he ran midst the ninjas, no one could react, but they all put up walls before he reached them. Not to mention Dodai made the ballon and grabbed Naruto when Raikage was at point blank range:

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A fodder, a nobody with no speed feats managed to make handseals, create a ballon and take Naruto to safety when that guy is about 10 feet away. When people like Jugo in full CS2 armor (that gives them 10 times their original power), Bee and KCM NAruto (he's slower than SM Naruto, though bar that one miracle escape) were being punched around like ragdolls. Bee makes no comparisons between their speeds as well. 3rd is nowhere near as fast as 4th. Not even close.

That's precisely why I said those are more like agility feats rather than speed feats. The latter might almost always imply the former, but the other way around is not always the case.

Because one thing is crossing thirty feet in a fraction of a second, another thing entirely is reacting to an extremely fast attack when its about to reach you. Both Naruto and the Raikage have the agility to do so, but lack the speed. Since this is about Naruto being blitzed by Sasuke in close range however, agility feats will do.

And, no disrespect intended, but that is not how Mach number is calculated. Those people who think it's moving at hyper sonic speed need to get acquainted with physics. Their calculations are laughable. Where did they get that number from anyway? Not to mention the scene where Deva stabbed two clones, who sat still, then lunged at him. He evaded and stabbed them with black rods and they thudded down. He dodged FRS afterwards. So, let me guess, all of that was happening at well above mach 80 or something? I mean, only then it is possible for FRS to move at that speed.

No, real world logic works here as Clay based explosives and their detonation velocities are a real thing. C1, C2, C3 etc. they all exist. And guess what their primary ingredient and Deidara's is? That's right. It's clay! Real logic applies to where it has been used. Even the clay molding scans from the manga are exactly the same as it's molded in real life. Quite literally.


So, Sasuke moving at above mach 20 to easily outspeed the velocity of the blast is an incredible feat. Something Naruto doesn't even compare to. He has produced nothing that is anywhere near it. Deidara constantly comments that it is difficult to catch him, and he keeps upping the blast radius. Why? Because Sasuke was proving too fast for the shockwave of the blast.

Well, its easy to state a calculation is wrong and push it off to the side when it gave where it took every number for, and even if the distance was more assumption than not, it was close enough to prove the point that the Rasenshuriken is really fast...

Then there's the side on me that looks back on this discussion and says this is well beyond the author's intent. I mean, for f*ck's sake, do you really think Kishimoto was thinking on how fast a real-life clay bomb's explosions are when writing this manga? You think this kind of in-depth analysis is coming from the author of a story so filled to the brim with plot holes and asspulls?

I'm not trying to take credit from the feat of itself, believe me. Sasuke is damn fast there, I have to admit that, but I'm starting to think that availing it like that to put in use to this kind of discussion is stupid of both our parts.

What differene would that make? You think a Clay bomb is only lethal if it goes off on someone? You cannot be serious! Look at the size of that blast and rocks flying up. You think a Rasengan can even accomplish that? All Rasengans of medium to small sizees have done is tear up soft ground in case of Minato, and that's it. That thing isn't even denting Sasuke's CS2 armour. Also, Naruto will have to catch him first.

Catching. This is not about speed though, its about what Sasuke can tank, and you're right, a clay bomb damages more than just it going on against someone, but having something to protect you from the blast is far more helpful than having nothing. On Naruto's case, we have him hitting Sasuke head on. For a better example, (since Ashura Path was just straight up blown through with the attack) I'll use an example where the target could take a bit more of a beating.

Juubi Jin Obito.

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The Rasengan, a normal Senjutsu infused Rasengan, the same one we're arguing on, left a round hole in his back where it hit. He was healed a moment later, true, but Sasuke doesn't have that kind of healing. If Sasuke were to be hit straight on by a Senjutsu infused Rasengan he would be left with a Rasengan shaped hole on his chest, which I think clasifies as a major enough injury.

Incoming NE doesn't affect FK in any manner. FK is simply an explusion of Senjutsu from the pores. Naruto cannot keep extra NE into his system nor can he manipulate it in any manner outside his body. He has no such ability. That is how he managed to break that rod as well. Wikia is not a credible source. As I said, Naruto has no such ability to manipulate NE in an area. Only Kabuto does.

If wikia is not a credible source, I'll just go through the trouble to find the manga scan.

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"The way of the frog (Frog Kata) makes use of the Nature Energy in the user's surroundings. It was that energy thaa manifested as an extension of Naruto's body and attacked Pain!"

Actually, he said that because no one had EMS in his time or afterwards. He was talking about EMS, not any other form of Sharingan. You misread his statement as he was talking about Mokuton Bunshins not Kage Bunshins. He doesn't have to tell as Sasuke is one of the smartest tactitians in the manga. Remember what he did at the rooftop?

I reread the entire rooftop fight chapter and all I found was Sasuke eliminating every clone there with a single powerful Katon, plus dispelling a few others behind that with Taijutsu, but no clone identifying. What I did find was something in their final fight.

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Sasuke (with his three tomoe Sharingan activated) attacks what he thought to be the real Naruto, only to be proven wrong when that NAruto dispels and the actual real one catches him by surprise.

He didn't avoid it. He trained his eye to tell him if he was in Genjutsu. He saw the whole thing. So that means the Genjutsu was successful.

Naruto has shown no CQC prowess like Gai to fight without looking at an individual. You are treading into the non-canon domain here. If you have any scan of Naruto doing that, then show it.

That's because he doesn't need to look. Gai has developed a technique of predicting an opponent's moves without looking at their eyes, but Sage Mode allows the user to sense incoming attacks without having to even look. Kabuto confirms that much,

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Anyhow, keep your replies short, concise and to the point. I don't come here often. And if this drags on, I'll simply drop this debate.

I'm trying to write just as much as I need to prove my points. If you can't reply....shame, but I'll understand.

 

[LoZelda101]

Black zetsu stated that Sage Mode Naruto is stronger than MS Sasuke. Same guy that said that itachi was "invincible". And stop posting mistranslated scans, naruto said you can't only beathe sasuke with strength (paraphrasing here) so yeah.

Plus Sage Mode Naruto vs Hebi Sasuke?

Overkill Naruto would kill him.

ZETSU said naruto was probably strnger than sasuke. Isnt he the same guy that said itachi was invincible with the yata and tosuka combo? So you itachi fappers must take his word as truth

was that before or after sasuke revealed susanoo :sdo:

 

[Cooh]

Hebi Sasuke negs.

 

[Tyris]

Dick riding hard af...

Continue to spew drivel y'cockhoarder.. it amuses :Sparks:

 

[lndra]

I know none of ya'll actually think Sasuke could even stand to SM Naruto

 

[Uchiha boii]

Well fail because narutos sage mode lasts 5 min with no prep hebi sasuke wrecks naruto once hes out of sage mode without the kyuubi sage mode naruto would have been wrecked by pain

 

[Guitar Hero]

Heh this thread is still here :lol

 

[ComplexCity]

I know none of ya'll actually think Sasuke could even stand to SM Naruto

Shelke does

 

[lndra]

Shelke does

He might be joking lol

 

[ComplexCity]

He might be joking lol

Highly doubt it. But I digress

 

[Guntah]

Shelke does

Yeah. I'm seeing to that.

 

[Mori Jin]

The amount of fanfiction these sasuke faps read must be getting to their heads.

 

[Mori Jin]

Frog Kata would kill sasuke. Plus he wouldn't even need to look at sasuke, fighting him with your eyes closed would be more then enough.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Useless vs threads.

 

[Guitar Hero]

He might be joking lol

Lol im 97% sure hes not but that aint none of my business :elmo:

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

Frog Kata would kill sasuke. Plus he wouldn't even need to look at sasuke, fighting him with your eyes closed would be more then enough.

BSM Naruto would have 0 problems fighting an opponent with his eyes closed as we seen his senses are extremely heightnened and are hard to bypass because he could even sense something that wasn't even a part of Earth itself, but SM Naruto fighting with his eyes closed? Sounds dumb, but if he had the frogs to assist him that's another story