Hebi Sasuke>>Sage Mode Naruto

[shelke]

Fine.

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Shima summoned Naruto alongside Gamabunta, two other equally sized toads, Fukasaku and Gamakichi. Not with Reverse Summoning like I originally thought, but with the Kuchyose no Jutsu, the Summoning Jutsu itself.

So, basically, you've got nothing? I asked you to show me where any NINJA (putting that in capslock now) summoned more than one largest summon. No one has ever done that. Literally no one.

I get it. Sasuke is fast.

No if you bring real life logic into it, yes if you accept this is a Shounen manga and that its not in any way meant to be scientifically accurate.

Logic is applicable where it can be applied. It can be applied here. Naruto has nothing to show me.

Its basically just Naruto throwing the punch and the Senjutsu in his body affecting the Natural Energy nearby in a ripple effect. This is especially well showcased in the anime where the punch takes a moment to hit.

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Like a ripple in the middle of a lake though, it doesn't travel very far and eventually fades away, that's why it only reaches two inches before hitting Pain.

No, it really does not. As I said, it's called "extension" for a reason. If it did create a ripple effect then it wouldn't have an effect area of about 2 inches to send someone flying back, when NE is literally everywhere. Look what Kabuto could do with it.

You're right, it has nothing to do with Frog Kata, is a feat granted by Sage Mode itself. That's exactly the reason why Naruto went in with Sage Mode to face the Third Raikage, because he knew he'd sense his attack approaching and be able to react more quickly.

So? That doesn't mean anything. My argument was Naruto fighting blind with his eyes closed. Anyhow, this is my last reply on this matter. You haven't produced any evidence for the above claims. I don't come here that often anyway, so I can't see this discussion going anywhere. It's pointless to bring such an old thread up over and over again just to post in a single reply.

Cheers .

 

[Dizzldot]

So, basically, you've got nothing? I asked you to show me where any NINJA (putting that in capslock now) summoned more than one largest summon. No one has ever done that. Literally no one.



Logic is applicable where it can be applied. It can be applied here. Naruto has nothing to show me.



No, it really does not. As I said, it's called "extension" for a reason. If it did create a ripple effect then it wouldn't have an effect area of about 2 inches to send someone flying back, when NE is literally everywhere. Look what Kabuto could do with it.



So? That doesn't mean anything. My argument was Naruto fighting blind with his eyes closed. Anyhow, this is my last reply on this matter. You haven't produced any evidence for the above claims. I don't come here that often anyway, so I can't see this discussion going anywhere. It's pointless to bring such an old thread up over and over again just to post in a single reply.

Cheers .

this kids salty af

 

[Kakooli]

A non-perfect jinchuriki Naruto loses automatically to Sasuke and it's mangafacts.

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[Dizzldot]

A non-perfect jinchuriki Naruto loses automatically to Sasuke and it's mangafacts.

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Considering sasuke went blind right after that battle....no lol

 

[NarutoX28]

I think it's rather clear that SM Naruto was Hebi Sasuke's superior considering that MS Sasuke who possessed chakra potency above CS2 Hebi Sasuke and has an Absolute Defense along with Amaterasu which was hyped to be "inescapable" is merely SM Naruto's rival, albeit, that was in the Kage Summit Arc where SM Naruto grew stronger.

 

[Warlocks]

ms sasuke >Sage Mode Naruto >Hebi Sasuke

 

[Guntah]

Anyhow, this is my last reply on this matter. You haven't produced any evidence for the above claims. I don't come here that often anyway, so I can't see this discussion going anywhere. It's pointless to bring such an old thread up over and over again just to post in a single reply.

Cheers .

You're right. Arguing with someone who can't take proof unless it's shoved down their throat while arguing that if you apply physics to a series about chakra wielding ninjas and still remain accurate is proving to be a fruitless exercise...

 

[shelke]

You're right. Arguing with someone who can't take proof unless it's shoved down their throat while arguing that if you apply physics to a series about chakra wielding ninjas and still remain accurate is proving to be a fruitless exercise...

I am sorry, where was that PROOF you gave, exactly?

1- Naruto can summon more than one large frog? Made up.
2- SM Naruto is as fast as Hebi Sasuke? Made up.
3- SM Naruto can manipulate ripples of NE, when he literally slammed his hand into the chakra rod to push it out of the beasts? Made up.

If that's what you call "shoving things down someone's throat" then keep at it. You didn't produce anything, which is the problem with SM Naruto's supporters. Not really a surprise. Heck, I ended this amicably, but you people just cannot help yourselves from prolonging arguments.

 

[To Whatever]

I am sorry, where was that PROOF you gave, exactly?

1- Naruto can summon more than one large frog? Made up.
2- SM Naruto is as fast as Hebi Sasuke? Made up.
3- SM Naruto can manipulate ripples of NE, when he literally slammed his hand into the chakra rod to push it out of the beasts? Made up.

If that's what you call "shoving things down someone's throat" then keep at it. You didn't produce anything, which is the problem with SM Naruto's supporters. Not really a surprise.

Why wouldn't he be able to summon more than one frog? Why wouldn't they just summon each other?

How does frog song, not end the fight to begin with?

Why do I even care when Naruto and Sasuke are shitty.

Why do you even care when the series is over. How many times have you been in this same discussion? It's asinine....

 

[Dizzldot]

NGL, how can anyone argue for sasuke's sake, naruto just spams 1 rasenshuriken and after seeing sasuke's fighting style I'm sure he won't move completely out of the way he always fights with the least movement to dodge necessary, naruto expands the rasenshuriken, sasuke is dust.
Or he summons all the toads like Jiraiya did against Pain and sits back as the pingpong sasuke ungracefully

 

[shelke]

Why wouldn't he be able to summon more than one frog? Why wouldn't they just summon each other?

How does frog song, not end the fight to begin with?

Why do I even care when Naruto and Sasuke are shitty.

Why do you even care when the series is over. How many times have you been in this same discussion? It's asinine....

Because that is the way the manga is.

Because it's very quick and not very Senjutsu taxing to use. Right? Not to mention the summoning ritual he doesn't even know. So, let's go with fanfictions.

Ironic points? No one asked you to drop in.

 

[To Whatever]

Because that is the way the manga is.

Because it's very quick and not very Senjutsu taxing to use. Right? Not to mention the summoning ritual he doesn't even know. So, let's go with fanfictions.

Ironic points? No one asked you to drop in.

The way the manga is, Ma, Pa and Naruto summoned all the toads. Why wouldn't/couldn't Naruto just have all of them summoned?

It doesn't matter whether or not if it's quick. Senjutsu taxing was never a factor. He wouldn't require to know it given Ma & Pa are the ones using it, I don't believe it is a technique that Humans can use.

I'm dropping in because I'm sure you already know none of this leads anywhere. You've been here since 2012 more or less. How many, "debates" have you actually been in that changed anything. Right or Wrong, it doesn't matter. These what-if fights are nothing.

 

[shelke]

The way the manga is, Ma, Pa and Naruto summoned all the toads. Why wouldn't/couldn't Naruto just have all of them summoned?

It doesn't matter whether or not if it's quick. Senjutsu taxing was never a factor. He wouldn't require to know it given Ma & Pa are the ones using it, I don't believe it is a technique that Humans can use.

I'm dropping in because I'm sure you already know none of this leads anywhere, you've been here since 2012 more or less. How many, "debates" have you actually been in that changed anything. Right or Wrong, it doesn't matter. These what-if fights are nothing.

Has anyone else? Any Ninja bar the Path summoner? Naruto himself whilst using KCM and in possession of tons of chakra? I don't care about your claims, man. Show me proof. Where is it?

Might as well just read the manga as after Frog Song, Ma and Pa were done. It takes ages to prep it and it can be easily heard and is borderline useless bar pointblank range. Jiraiya had to trap on path in the sludge, kick the next and blind the last one with Katon attack and then make it work. So, how does it end the battle again?

Again, this is about a month old debate. Simply took part in it out of fun. Even ended it on a decent note as it was not going anywhere. But, I forgot, Naruto fans do not need manga scans as the replies prove. Of course, they are nothing.

 

[To Whatever]

Has anyone else? Any Ninja bar the Path summoner? Naruto himself whilst using KCM and in possession of tons of chakra? I don't care about your claims, man. Show me proof. Where is it?

Might as well just read the manga as after Frog Song, Ma and Pa were done. It takes ages to prep it and it can be easily heard and is borderline useless bar pointblank range. Jiraiya had to trap on path in the sludge, kick the next and blind the last one with Katon attack and then make it work. So, how does it end the battle again?

Again, this is about a month old debate. Simply took part in it out of fun. Even ended it on a decent note as it was not going anywhere. But, I forgot, Naruto fans do not need manga scans as the replies prove. Of course, they are nothing.

When Naruto arrived in Konoha he had multiple toads with him:

They either:

Summoned themselves

Or Summoned each other

Naruto should be capable of summoning, Ma who summons Pa and vice versa. Hell, even if he couldn't summon them he could as easily summon anyone else and have them do the same.

It can easily be heard, yet has a useless bar pointblank range? And how are you capable of telling how much time has passed to determine that it takes "ages". The J-man was also fighting multiple enemies who shared vision and had no intel on. And that was with an inferior variant of sage mode. One of which obviously lacks in sensing or he wouldn't have lost his arm.

I'm not sure how arguing over pointless "what-if's" is fun but okay...

Neither side provides manga scans to begin with.

 

[shelke]

When Naruto arrived in Konoha he had multiple toads with him:

They either:

Summoned themselves

Or Summoned each other

Naruto should be capable of summoning, Ma who summons Pa and vice versa. Hell, even if he couldn't summon them he could as easily summon anyone else and have them do the same.

It can easily be heard, yet has a useless bar pointblank range? And how are you capable of telling how much time has passed to determine that it takes "ages". The J-man was also fighting multiple enemies who shared vision and had no intel on. And that was with an inferior variant of sage mode. One of which obviously lacks in sensing or he wouldn't have lost his arm.

I'm not sure how arguing over pointless "what-if's" is fun but okay...Neither side provides manga scans to begin with.

This still doesn't change what I said. Why wasn't this ever repeated? This was done by Ma under some high-end Deux Ex Machina (Naruto used plenty of those shameful ones in that fight alone). They didn't summon themselves. Even with such a large chakra at his disposal (KCM), Gamakichi went away at his allotted time (largest summons only stay for a limited time; this wasn't the case for this fight either). Why didn't Naruto do it again? Heck, when Jiraiya summoned them, they couldn't summon other Toads. Why? Because it isn't possible. It's fanfiction, man.

Go and reread the fight. The song's effect range is abysmal. Its vocal preparation can be heard as they try to sync their notes together according to the sages. That has nothing to do with the Genjutsu itself. What do you mean? They were hiding in the pipes. The paths were looking for them. The entire time, the Sages were prepping the song when the paths were running from pipe to pipe, looking for them. He ambushed them. The themselves state that it takes a lot of time. But nah, you guys know better. Frog Song right off the bat.

The song still wasn't ready whilst they were running from pipe to pipe aimlessly. Only after he got two of them trapped and kicked the last one away did they break out into a song. Do you think that took seconds? Yeah, okay, man. The rest of those points are just bullshit, man. It has nothing to do with Frog Song and he was fighting shit when the song was being prepared. He only attacked at the nick of time. One was path was already blind. So, he was only fighting two shared visions.

I'm not sure how arguing over pointless "what-if's" is fun but okay

No, you are right. It's serious business. Also, if your eyes still function then I am only one who has provided the relevant scans for the discussion. But sure. I mean, it's you, Wilds. We both know how you roll.

 

[Guntah]

I am sorry, where was that PROOF you gave, exactly?

1- Naruto can summon more than one large frog? Made up.
2- SM Naruto is as fast as Hebi Sasuke? Made up.
3- SM Naruto can manipulate ripples of NE, when he literally slammed his hand into the chakra rod to push it out of the beasts? Made up.

If that's what you call "shoving things down someone's throat" then keep at it. You didn't produce anything, which is the problem with SM Naruto's supporters. Not really a surprise. Heck, I ended this amicably, but you people just cannot help yourselves from prolonging arguments.

"You SM Naruto supporters." Geez, that is always a good sign.

What point did I make then? Well, a couple. Hard to do something when you stood in denial for every single one of them. I mean, I understand a couple, but every point I even tried to make was twisted or outright denied by you, which is something quite irritating to deal with. Especially when you are trying to argue that Sasuke is running around at mach speeds on your side. It is kind of a ludicrous situation altogether...on the bright side, this gave me an idea for a thread.

 

[Megax Rocker7]

Hebi Sasuke has chidori spear, GG Nardo.

 

[Guntah]

Hebi Sasuke has chidori spear, GG Nardo.

An oversized Lightning Toothpick. Futon: Rasengan tears it apart.

 

[Dizzldot]

If anyone thinks hebi Sasuke is dodging narutos rasenshuriken and his frog summons which the only requirement is large chakra which he had as a kid he can easily summon multiple Sasuke is fodder compared to him at that point suck it up sallys

 

[Megax Rocker7]

An oversized Lightning Toothpick. Futon: Rasengan tears it apart.

Futon Rasengan is a close ranged jutsu, chidori spear has nice range, damage and speed it would slice Naruto before he can even blink.

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GG mate.

If anyone thinks hebi Sasuke is dodging narutos rasenshuriken and his frog summons which the only requirement is large chakra which he had as a kid he can easily summon multiple Sasuke is fodder compared to him at that point suck it up sallys

Sasuke can genjutsu the summons. :elmo: