Healthy Nagato vs BM Naruto

[Penguin]

Naruto high difficulty. With his exponential chakra reserves, he can make a plethora of clones to pressure Nagato whilst the original stays back and uses a continuous bijuudama. Nagato has no way of defending against multiple bijuudama whilst fighting in CQC with two or more BM clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

There is literally no way to discern whether Naruto had used Shunshin or not, and on top of that, he has no reason not to use Shunshin. What are BM Naruto's speed feats again? Apart from the one time he deflected all those Bijuu Bombs through speed alone.

Uh, yes. There is. You saw him run, meaning he didn't use Shunshin. Its that simple.

That's it. The main thing is that he's faster than KCM, who is faster than V2 Ay.

That was a double Kamui; Kakashi's Kamui and Obito's Kamui combined and the Truth-Seeker Orb was still nearly as fast as the combined Kamui. Kamui's speed doubled is much faster than Obito's single Kamui, regardless of whether he's teleporting others or himself. If anything, Lee had much more distance to travel than Naruto considering Lee must have been outside Hirudora's large AoE otherwise he would have been killed.

No clue how to explain this without saying Lee is as fast as he looks, but nontheless it has nothing to do with Naruto's speed. Bringing other examples doesn't invalidate Naruto's feats. Not how it works.

Weapons and Frog Kata get countered with ST, Nagato has knowledge on Naruto, there's no reason why he'll stay in Naruto's Genjutsu's range. Gakido has already shown to absorb Senjutsu, just not high amounts of it.

Then Naruto does it again during the 5 second interval.

Lel, Nagato isn't going to escape Naruto, not a chance.



I've yet to see ANYONE explain how he actually goes on to defeat Naruto. The only argument here is Preta Path.

 

[Benjamin King]

Nagato mid diff.

With the dogs, Naruto will contiously tire himself out by attacking them. Nagato can simply stay on the air using Deva to prevent being blitzed by Naruto. Even so, Asura will tank any hit and heal any injury he receives. Nagato can then use black rods attached to Gedo Mazo to suppress Naruto's Bijuu mode, and finish it off with Ningendo.​

 

[Kagustuchi]

BM Naruto wins with relative ease. Fujutsu Kuuin isn't as big a deal as everyone makes it out to be.

KCM Naruto can take Nagato High-Diff in a completely uninterrupted and unrestricted fight.​

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[Rufus ShinRa]

Nagato take this low-med diff.............

 

[Kamui Sama]

Can preta absorb the indirect blast from a TBB?

 

[lucario14]

Nagato wins when he summons gedo mazo and chains up the kyuubi gg to extraction.

 

[naruto7861]

Naruto wins this

 

[ARGUS]

KCM Naruto can take Nagato High-Diff in a completely uninterrupted and unrestricted fight.​

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No, KCM Naruto is not beating nagato, ​

 

[Sunagura]

Nagato win

 

[Touken]

Uh, yes. There is. You saw him run, meaning he didn't use Shunshin. Its that simple.

That's it. The main thing is that he's faster than KCM, who is faster than V2 Ay.

You see V2 Ay run here even though he used Shunshin [

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And KCM Naruto isn't faster than V2 Ay considering V1 Ay was effortlessly intercepting him [

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No clue how to explain this without saying Lee is as fast as he looks, but nontheless it has nothing to do with Naruto's speed. Bringing other examples doesn't invalidate Naruto's feats. Not how it works.

Unless 5G Lee is as fast as V1 Ay, then yes, it proves that KCM Naruto's speed is inconsistent.

 

[lanakui8]

You see V2 Ay run here even though he used Shunshin [

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]. And again, Naruto had no reason not to use Shunshin there.

characters don't always move at their fastest speeds, the Naruto vs Obito fight had naruto doing a lot of things that made no sense, unless he's moving at speeds that the MS can't react to, he's not using his maximum shunshin.

And KCM Naruto isn't faster than V2 Ay considering V1 Ay was effortlessly intercepting him [

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KCM Naruto wasn't using his full speed while Ei was intercepting him, that's the whole reason why

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despite seeing him move around and use his speed against Ei before that.
Or the fact that he was paralleled to Minato whom Ei explicitly stated was faster than himself.
Or the fact that he like Minato were the only people who could dodge Ei's maximum punch.

Ei's striking speed isn't crap, Naruto, Minato and Obito reacted to Ei much before his punch was right in their faces and it wouldn't make sense for Ei's striking speed which consists of his shunshin speed + punch speed to be slower than his shunshin speed.

Unless 5G Lee is as fast as V1 Ay, then yes, it proves that KCM Naruto's speed is inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
KCM Naruto's actual speed isn't inconsistent, it's just that he doesn't always use his full speed which is true for pretty much every character that uses shunshin.

 

[KidGamer65]

You see V2 Ay run here even though he used Shunshin [

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Except that isn't Shunshin. That is him running.

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is him using Shunshin. Big difference. It doesn't matter if he had no reason not to use it, he didn't use it and that's a fact. Why he did or didn't doesn't concern me.

Ianakui already said everything I would have said to the rest.

 

[Haizaki]

If Naruto can use SM he wins. If not, Nagato can possibly win.

 

[Unorthodox]

nagato wins due to chakra exhausting from naruto

 

[Touken]

characters don't always move at their fastest speeds, the Naruto vs Obito fight had naruto doing a lot of things that made no sense, unless he's moving at speeds that the MS can't react to, he's not using his maximum shunshin.

Which proves his speed isn't consistent. If he's not using his max Shunshin all the time in the manga then we can't apply it to VS threads.

KCM Naruto wasn't using his full speed while Ei was intercepting him, that's the whole reason why

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despite seeing him move around and use his speed against Ei before that.
Or the fact that he was paralleled to Minato whom Ei explicitly stated was faster than himself.
Or the fact that he like Minato were the only people who could dodge Ei's maximum punch.

Ei's striking speed isn't crap, Naruto, Minato and Obito reacted to Ei much before his punch was right in their faces and it wouldn't make sense for Ei's striking speed which consists of his shunshin speed + punch speed to be slower than his shunshin speed.

They said he looked like the Yellow Flash only because he was able to dodge V2 Ay's fastest punch. The only other person to do that in history is Minato, and that's why Ay compared Naruto to Minato. Naruto's already been likened to the Yellow Flash before [

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]. Minato was faster than Ay because of FTG, he wasn't referring to Minato's Shunshin.

Yes, it's slow. Sasuke's 3T precognition was able to easily follow his striking speed, and Juugo and Suigetsu were able to intercept Ay before he could follow through with his strike [

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]. Ay slows down right before he's about to extend his arm to strike [

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], if he was going at full speed even while striking then he would have been well past Minato's kunai. If Naruto reacted well before Ay was about to punch him (which he didn't) then he would have moved well before Ay's fist was almost an inch away from his face [

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KCM Naruto's actual speed isn't inconsistent, it's just that he doesn't always use his full speed which is true for pretty much every character that uses shunshin.

Uh, no. Every character who uses Shunshin always use their max speed in battle. The whole point of using Shunshin in battle is to blitz.

 

[lanakui8]

Which proves his speed isn't consistent. If he's not using his max Shunshin all the time in the manga then we can't apply it to VS threads.

What the heck? How in the world do you get Naruto can't use his max shunshin in a versus thread because he's not always using it in the manga?

They said he looked like the Yellow Flash only because he was able to dodge V2 Ay's fastest punch. The only other person to do that in history is Minato, and that's why Ay compared Naruto to Minato. Naruto's already been likened to the Yellow Flash before [

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]. Minato was faster than Ay because of FTG, he wasn't referring to Minato's Shunshin.

Yeah, he looked like the yellow flash because he moved so fast that his speed resembled minato's teleportation within that short distance. Naruto used his maximum shunshin on Kisame which is why Bee thought that. If Naruto didn't display far greater speed than what he had previously used against Ei, Bee and Tsunade have no reason to suddenly exclaim how his speed made him look like the yellow flash as he would have been using that same speed the entire time.

Yes, it's slow. Sasuke's 3T precognition was able to easily follow his striking speed, and Juugo and Suigetsu were able to intercept Ay before he could follow through with his strike [

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]. Ay slows down right before he's about to extend his arm to strike [

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], if he was going at full speed even while striking then he would have been well past Minato's kunai. If Naruto reacted well before Ay was about to punch him (which he didn't) then he would have moved well before Ay's fist was almost an inch away from his face [

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None of that shows that his striking speed is slower than his shunshin speed. Sasuke's 3 tomoe reacted to V1 Ei coming straight at him. Ei was only moving as fast as darui and both stopped their shunshin and had no momentum when they tried to attack sasuke.

Naruto wouldn't have moved before Ei got that close since naruto doing so would have allowed Ei to course correct, he needed to wait till Ei's punch almost hit him and then dodge. The manga blatantly shows Naruto looking at Ei while he's coming and the lack of any exclamation points proves that he didn't just react to Ei once he appeared in front of him.

Uh, no. Every character who uses Shunshin always use their max speed in battle. The whole point of using Shunshin in battle is to blitz.

You need to reread this manga if you believe that to be true. Does Juubito go around blitzing everyone like he did to Hashirama and Tobirama? Does Jiraiya run around blitzing the paths of pain with the same speed he used to get to preta? Does SM Naruto constantly move at the speeds he used to blitz asura across konoha with? Does ei always shunshin with his maximum speed? Does Hebi Sasuke always move at his shunshin speed?

The answer is obviously no, characters don't always move at their top speed, yet that doesn't mean that they aren't able to do so when the situations requires it.

 

[naruto7861]

Naruto wins

 

[V h o]

Naruto med-high difficulty. Not sure if preta absorbs a TBB.

 

[Prince Charles]

LMAo wtf am i reading here? bm naruto rapes this trash