Jirayai killed 3 of them from a sound Genjutsu. Yes it was far away and it took a great strategist in Jirayai to allow the 2 toads to pull it off, but I think IF, and that is a big IF there was an overall weakness to the Rinnegan it would be Genjutsu. The Rinnegan is obviously not immune to it and you gotta understand we are talking about Nagato. Of course the same wouldn't go for Madara who is the ONLY OTHER PERSON to have Rinnegan as we have seen (Other than Tobi but we are not counting him he hasn't used it yet and Tobi might be Madara, etc...) and Madara knows Genjutsu in and out being a master sharingan user. I agree b/c like I said if the Rinnegan has a weakness it would be Genjutsu. This is of course if we are talking about Pain/Nagato and the 6 paths. You can't argue with those results, If Jirayai knew where Nagato had been, Jirayai would have won, at least I think because I think it is fairly obvious that Nagato himself had to suffer from that Genjutsu in order for his Paths to suffer as well.
Exactly what I wrote and is the perfect point xd
A is one of the strongest shinobi and is the man but FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR, he is going to get creamed by Nagato and 6 paths. If it is just Nagato in his weak ass human wheelchair state than I don't really know. If it is Edo-Nagato, A gets creamed even more because if he even tries to get close to Edo-Nagato he is done and like I said FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN THUS FAR all of A's moves are from his Lightning Release Armor/Nintaijutsu.
That genjutsu was an element on suppress on jiraiya's part. As pa frog said, since he used to be jiraiya's teacher this would be the best bet. Also they were able to come up with a strategy not necessarily for countering the rennigan, but the 3 paths. Also as i said, that genjutsu wouldve worked on anybody, even a sharigan user. He did believe they couldnt all have the rennigan, not because he had figured it out because at that time he hadnt, but because he believed nagato who he thought was the child prophecy had the rennigan and only him.
What nagato said at the end was out of respect for his former sensei, nothing more. The weakness the paths were talking about in relation to the code jiraiya wrote is nagato not being amongst them 'the real one amongst them'. Thats the note that jiraiya' wrote and thats what the paths were also referring to. That was their weakness.
Even if jiraiya knew this secret from the beginning, he still wouldnt have been able to kill nagato because he'd have to go through all 6 paths. Although i believe he wouldve stood a great chance. He wouldnt have won
I like how you change your words. Firstly you clearly say the rennigans weakness is genjutsu, you now changed it. Now youve come up with a pretty absurd statement when you say "I also have said Nagato's Rinnegan, not the RINNEGAN AS A WHOLE AKA MADARA'S RINNEGAN B/C HE IS A GENJUTSU MASTER SINCE HE IS A SHARINGAN MASTER"
So basically what you are trying to say is that nagato's weakness is genjutsu and not the rennigan weakness because both madara and nagato have the same eyes but what separates them is their 'supposedly' mastery in genjutsu.
Forgetting that, that frogs genjutsu wouldve gotten either nagato, his paths or madara.
That first quote is my first post on this thread so you are wrong I never changed my words ever, in fact I think I restated that 3 times in my 6-7 posts in this thread. Look at my post again. Read it over and over. B/C I clearly say IF AND THAT IS A
BIG IF THE RINNEGAN HAD AN OVERALL WEAKNESS IT WOULD BE GENJUTSU. And then I go on to single out Nagato and explain the Madara thing so this hasn't changed, its just laziness on your part or not understanding what I said and going on the defensive right away. In fact your whole counter argument is the Rinnegan has no weakness. And then you wanna stick to the thread. Make up your mind.
REALLY? Pain/Nagato was showing respect to his former teacher? Wow man that is truly "rubbish". So after he brutally kills his former teacher/master, he decides to pay homage to him and show him respect and it was nothing more than that? Really? Come on, man that is ridiculous.
All your counter-points are biggest you don't understand or read English that well. Like I said, I am not making fun of you about this nor do I want you to think I am taking a personal shot at you when I write this/showing you any disrespect b/c I am not. You wrote the same thing I did: Jirayai believed they couldn't all have the Rinnegan, but they actually DID. Jirayai even in his death I think didn't believe they all had it. His clue was that the real one is not among them. That is it.
You are also making my point and agreeing with me. If that Genjutsu would work on anyone (which I don't think it would, but we cant really prove if it would or wouldn't) IT IS THEREFORE, IN ESSENCE, A WEAKNESS. If the Rinnegan had NO WEAKNESS, it wouldn't have fallen for that Genjutsu. It is as simple as that. Nagato/Pain even pretty much comes to the conclusion that it is a genjutsu as I showed in that link. And here is where I think you are getting confused. I AM NOT SAYING IT IS A
BIG, HUGE, DOMINATING WEAKNESS, BUT IT IS A WEAKNESS IN AN OVERALL DOMINATING DOJUTSU. That is all I am saying and I am pretty sure that is all Chappelle is saying as well. And let me make this clear. NAGATO'S RINNEGAN. I have said this from the beginning so like I said don't say that I changed my words, proof is in the posts. NO MATTER WHICH NAGATO/PAIN WE HAVE SEEN WHETHER ITS EDO-TENSEIED/IWR NAGATO/PAIN OR THE WEAK-ASS WHEELCHAIR ONE OR ONE THAT IS COMPLETELY HEALTHY (WHICH DIDN'T EXIST SO THIS TOPIC IN ITSELF IS DUMB B/C WE HAVEN'T SEEN A HEALTHY NAGATO OTHER THEN A YOUNG ONE BEFORE HE FOUGHT HANZO AND I AM PRETTY SURE A/4TH RAIKAGE WOULD KICK A LITTLE KID'S ASS).
The fact of the matter is and the point I am trying to make above is, we can only go based off of what we saw. And what we saw was Pain/Nagato's Rinnegan get tricked into a Genjutsu. It had to. Nagato controlled the 6 paths with his own chakra. Are you trying to say that just those 3 Paths get affected by the Genjutsu and the Main Body Nagato (One in the Giant Wheel-Chair thing) didn't? They share his chakra.
Pa clearly says in one of those linked pages I provided that Taijutsu and Ninjutsu didn't work so they should go with Genjutsu. Yes Nagato was shocked/surprised because Jirayai doesn't use and/or isn't good at Genjutsu. But the fact of the matter is that it was still a weakness because it worked ON NAGATO'S RINNEGAN IN THAT BATTLE. Naruto's battle was a WHOLE OTHER STORY AND WAS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. He had so much support and information on fighting Pain/Nagato (All the info he got from Konoha like Katsuyu, Tsunade, Jirayai, and all the intel they all gathered on each one of the Path's abilities).
So Once again I will clear this up. Genjutsu affected 3 Paths and Nagato's Rinnegan. That is a MUCH BIGGER WEAKNESS THAN ANYTHING ELSE WE HAVE SEEN AGAINST THE RINNEGAN THUS FAR. Am I saying that Genjutsu is going to win against the Rinnegan 10/10 times and/or everytime? No, I am not saying that. This whole thing stems from the thread. Nagato would beat A no matter what form he was in. WHY?! BECAUSE FROM WHAT WE HAVE SEEN
THUS FAR A/4TH RAIKAGE IS A NINTAIJUTSU USER. IF NINJUTSU OR TAIJUTSU ISN'T GOING TO WORK AGAINST NAGATO AND IT DIDN'T WORK FOR JIRAYAI 1V1, HOW IS IT GOING TO WORK FOR A? Ninjutsu and Taijutsu worked for Naruto but it was like I said a completely different battle (which Naruto by all means should have lost anyway and would have and I don't think I need to explain any further why it worked for Naruto and not Jirayai). It is not a dominating weakness, but it is a weakness. The fact that you are saying it would work on any body is not really a point that is helping your argument. And honestly we are going to go back and forth on this. I concede that there exists proof for both of our points/theories but I think you are thinking I am saying that the Rinnegan in general is weak to Genjutsu, only genjutsu, and all types of genjutsu and any genjutsu user which is not what I am saying.
