Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage
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Learn how to read and we'd be able to have a clear discussion. For example, your inability to comprehend basic Manga text leads you to believe that the bolded part of my post (the part you bolded in case you don't understand :lol) was pointless when I only had to explain because you thought that Onoki waiting was an interval for the jutsu.
If Onoki alone were being targeted, sure. Considering Ay will be heading in the same direction as him at the same rate while Onoki is latched on to him, no. You don't have a point.
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Both Ay and Onoki are being hit by the same force. Ay is obviously physically stronger than Onoki. Meaning he won't be pushed back as far as Onoki would be pushed. Then it comes to whether Onoki can hold onto Ay's shoulder, which I doubt it.
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Since when did physical strength have anything to do with how far you get pushed back? The only way physical strength matters is if you are in a position where you can actually use that strength to oppose the incoming force. Otherwise they get pushed back the same time at the same rate.
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Some more fail.Next time use a spoiler please!!!!
What is the strongest defense Gaara has used is it enough to tank a focused FSST nope so you missed me with that claim. Actually Madara states that it hit him before he hand time to use Preta path plus with the combination of the other Kages it numbed his body i would like to see Gaara do that feat by himself then we'll have something worth a debate until then read the scans carefully that you post. Are you implying the sand Gaara manipulates doesn't need a chakra connection?
Are the summonings Kage level what????. Where is you counter you claim they can wreck it but how? Please go into detail the summonings not being Kage level is the reason why they win Lmao. Mei using boil release means she can melt her comrades so i doubt she'll do that. If she uses boil release
You must be registered for see linksand rap her up and bite her face off. Tsunade punching Cerberus isn't going to do shit it will get right back up and divide making it even harder for her to fight back accurately. while she's being distracted by Cerberus the Giant Crustacean spits wild bubble wave to plow her down and restrict her movements once she down Nagato's flying bird dive it's beak right through her skull. .You must be registered for see links. Actually he doesn't the moment Oonoki and Ei tries to backpack Nagato simply uses FSST(Full scale shinra Tensei) which means GG to all the gokage.
Actually it doesn't since this is Nagato not Pain.
Reason # 1- He had to get to the center of the village.
Reason # 2- His paths had to flee the village so they wouldn't get crushed.
Reason # 3- He had to deactivate all the paths to focus his chakra directly through Deva path.
Actually not really when Oonoki has to be completely still while using Jinton and with him constantly being pulled it would be simply impossible to use Jinton while moving with CT in the Sky so using Super Jinton isn't an option.Unless Nagato can take them out most to all at once he isn't winning. Gaara's Sand isn't blocking FSST nuff said. Yes only if Nagato decides to sit back and watch while they all take on his summonings like a fool. The kages having a medic is good and all but what if the a medic when the bodies on the one's that need to be healed are mauled beyond recognition and sent 100's of meters away?
Counter to full scale shinra Tensei?
Nagato vs the fodder gokage.
He was referring to the Jinton hitting him before he could use preta not the lightning Dragon. He used preta path on the lightning dragon before it hit him but Gaara sand still worked. Gaara uses the chakra in his body to control sand.
It's funny how much you underestimate the female kage.
1. Why do you keep saying Tsunade fight Cerberus? Clearly that is Mei's job.
2. None of these summoning even have the speed feets to suggest they would hit Mei or Tsunade.
You're wanking FSST but it hasn't been shown without a slow start up. Even with the fact that he had to relocate and deactivate it was still a considerably long amount of time.
1. It's more than enough time for Gaara to make a shield big enough to defend a village and for Tsunade to summon Katsuya.
2. once he has used it he can't use deva path for an amount of time
3. Saying it was Deva and not Nagato's main body accomplishes nothing as He has no feats using the jutsu in his body. This means Deva Pain's limitations are also Nagato's.
4, FSST has big AoE but that doesn't mean anything when someone is defending 5 people. Look at the meteor it killed Madara in susanoo and an exhausted Gaara was able to defend that. AoE means nothing to Gaara's sand. Madara's Yasamagnata did a better job against Gaara's sand than Joki boi, despite Joki boi containing contents(water and oil) that were Gaara's weakness. Joki boy however had bigger AoE. So using AoE as an a feat towards his destructive capabilities doesn't mean much.
Are you really suggesting that Onoki can't use jinton while CT is going on -_-, you're grasping for straws. I don't even know how to take this serious. OK CT itself is moving Onoki not Onoki moving himself around,so he can still use jinton as wee have seen others use their jutsu. Aslong as he keeps his body still he can take out the core.
Summonings would only take up the time of Tsunade and Mei. Nagato still has to worry about Gaara's defence and Onoki and A's offence. That's 3 to 1. The pressure is still on Nagato.
Nagato's only chance is FSST and CT and those are countered.
It really is such a weak argument and says a lot about how much you pay attention to the argument. "FSST GG" as if done significant damage besides having a big Area of effect.
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What I'm saying is the more mass an object or person has, the lesser distance they will be pushed by ST. Ay has more mass than Onoki, which means he will be pushed a lesser distance than Onoki. Now Onoki has to hold on to Ay if he still wants to use his weighted rock technique. Can he hold on?
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No that isn't how it works. You are basically saying that if onoki and A were to fall at the same time at the same hight, A would hit the ground a considerable amount of time before Onoki does when that is not the case. Unless you take air resistance into account but that is negligible between people.
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*facepalm* It's called a comparison. I was comparing one force to another. Forget it, if you don't get physics then I can't help you
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That's Bansho Tenin. ST is a burst that sends you flying away. Its force isn't continuous.
smh your comparison would be correct if ST's force is the same, or it was continuous like gravity's.
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you aren't very smart are you? a force will always effect a mass the same no matter what value it has. That is as basic as it gets in Physics. Stop pretending like you know what you are talking about. It's one thing to fail in manga knowledge it's whole deiffent deal to fail IRL.
Deva Path's ability is to manipulate gravity, so therefore, both attacks utilizes gravity, but it's manipulated differently.
But ST being a burst is correct which is why it's manipulated differently comprared to Bansho Tenin. Both still utilize a gravitational force.
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Can't get pass Sennin Modo increasing the durability of the body and it's constructs (as I'm quite sure a Kunai slice would cut any Human SM user as it would in Base) and the strong confusion between 'Shinra Tensei' and 'Wind'.
The Jutsu reduces the effect of earths gravitational constant on the target and may do so to the point that they are not affected by it.Databook said:
The force of Gravity is constantly pulling all objects on the Earth towards it; Shinra Tensei simply redirects a portion of this force in a repulsive manner towards the target. The larger the Shinra tensei is the larger the portion of the force that is being redirected but it doesn't change the gravitational constant.Databook said:
Utilizing any version of Shinra-Tensei on Ay and Onooki would be no different to shifting the vector position of the force of Earths gravitational constant against a bubble from 'downwards' to 'upwards'; it will fall at the same rate but in the opposite direction: However, Ay and Onooki are lighter than a bubble----that is----light enough to not be affected by earths gravitational constant so the effect would be none.
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Should go for Bansho Tennin as well. Hmmm, but they would be pulled in by Chibaku since due to the density of it's core and the subsequent gravitational acceleration from this is to some extent greater than Earths gravitational constant----hence it is able to pull layers of objects off the ground. Even if Onooki made himself lighter he would still be pulled in since the force of this acceleration multiplies as you get closer to it's core. By the time he's able to resist the acceleration he'd be in physical contact with the core and crushed by the surrounding debris.
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Rethought the bold (extent). Since Chibaku-Tensei does not uproot deep layers of the earth then it's acceleration isn't all that greater than Earths gravitational constant so it shouldn't be a challenge for Onooki to reduce his weight to not be affected by it unless the apex of the Jutsu's ability to reduce gravity's effect is equivalent to Earths gravitational constant; but then again that depends on the size (entirely dependent on the Cores's density) of Chibaku tensei being used since this is a healthy Nagato who's performance should be succeed what was showcased during the Konoha invasion. Saying Onooki should be able to evade any Chibaku tensei would be placing the no limits fallacy on the Jutsu.
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Rethought the bold (extent). Since Chibaku-Tensei does not uproot deep layers of the earth then it's acceleration isn't all that greater than Earths gravitational constant so it shouldn't be a challenge for Onooki to reduce his weight to not be affected by it unless the apex of the Jutsu's ability to reduce gravity's effect is equivalent to Earths gravitational constant; but then again that depends on the size (entirely dependent on the Cores's density) of Chibaku tensei being used since this is a healthy Nagato who's performance should be succeed what was showcased during the Konoha invasion. Saying Onooki should be able to evade any Chibaku tensei would be placing the no limits fallacy on the Jutsu.
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I've always been confused by Chibaku Tensei. At first I just assumed it was really dense thus pulling in objects, but that honesty doesn't make sense logically for many reasons. Things only got more complicated when Madara and sasuke used it. I have just come to the conclusion that it is an orb with Bansho tenin properties.
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