Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[Lord Tywin]

What makes you guys think if Ohnoki on Ay's shoulders is hit by ST, he can still hold on to Ay's shoulder. To lighten Ay, and perform his technique?

 

[KidGamer65]

Why did you waste all this time writing this trash for a yes or no question.

Since you don't know how to read, or at least have trouble comprehending basic English text, instead of wasting my time writing a new reply for a point I already addressed, I simply copy and pasted the one you failed to read the first time around.

You assumed I was joining your argument with Zexion, that is your problem not mine. Besides you don't provide proof. You make some bold claim supported by your own opinion, nothing else.

By replying to a post directed at Zexion, you are jumping into my argument with him regardless of whether or not you think you were, and if you were starting a new argument where Nagato can react to Ay, the obvious thing to do would be to say so, and then prove that Nagato can react to Ay, but considering you did neither, your scenario doesn't take off to begin with.

I can pick anyone on this thread and they'll tell you that I've posted the same Manga scan 4x now since you were too slow to get it the first time around.

The scans do not suggest an instant switch between the two. It implies an interval.

Stop with this instant BS when I never said it was instant. Stop with the instant BS when it doesn't need to be instant for reasons already explained in my previous post. Ay is lightened throughout the whole page, then as soon as he's about to hit Madara, he switches. Where in the hell are you seeing this interval? :lol Can we stop making stuff up? You've already done enough ignoring of Manga facts to last a couple more pages.

By "correctly" you mean that said person has to agree with you, I pressume?

No, I mean that a proper argument has to be put up, but it's clear that you are just going to keep talking out of your **** cavity, crying about me insulting this clown so I'm not going to bother. Answer my challenge or do me a favor and don't answer my posts at all.

 

[KidGamer65]

What makes you guys think if Ohnoki on Ay's shoulders is hit by ST, he can still hold on to Ay's shoulder. To lighten Ay, and perform his technique?

1. The scenario where Ay gets hit, the only possible scenario where he gets hit, is while he's already lightened or right before he's been hit.

2. S/T is instant, but the distance is 50m. There is time to react before getting hit.

3. They'd get pushed backwards. If they are hit, they just move backwards. No reason for Onoki to be thrown off his back until impact with the ground is made.

 

[Lord Tywin]

1. The scenario where Ay gets hit, the only possible scenario where he gets hit, is while he's already lightened or right before he's been hit.

ok

2. S/T is instant, but the distance is 50m. There is time to react before getting hit.
3. They'd get pushed backwards. If they are hit, they just move backwards. No reason for Onoki to be thrown off his back until impact with the ground is made.

These two had nothing to do with my question. How is Onoki going to hang on to Ay's shoulder when he's hit with ST? Is his arms strong enough to hold him in place? I doubt it.

 

[PT1990]

No, I mean that a proper argument has to be put up, but it's clear that you are just going to keep talking out of your **** cavity, crying about me insulting this clown so I'm not going to bother. Answer my challenge or do me a favor and don't answer my posts at all.

Proper argument? Someone might think that he made the best argument in history, while you might think it has no sense whatsoever. Its completely normal, but its no reason to insult other person. Also, Im not going to find some posts from the past, Im waaaaay too lazy to do that. Still, Im not the first person who thinks that you are too full of yourself.

 

[NarutoX28]

Proof for the bold? Rest has been addressed over 5x, but since no one feels like reading these days....:lol

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Just a few. I'm not going in-depth with this because these scans are pretty clear.

2. Kakashi's Earth Wall was pushed down because it is stationary. Same thing goes for the trees. If the trees were not rooted into the ground like that Earth Wall, they would've gone flying just like Kakashi did, just like B did, and just like Naruto's clone did with no damage being taken until they made impact with the ground itself.

Does it do damage? Yes. Does it do any damage that'd matter here? No. Been stated over twice now.

Actually, after thinking about your argument thoroughly, that actually makes sense. I'll concede here.

The only thing I don't agree with is Bee taking minimal damage because of ST's lack of strength. There's a relationship between the force of gravity and the distance between the two objects. The farther away the object is, the weaker the gravitational force will be on Bee, so Bee received less damage due to simply being farther away.

But you're correct and your logic absolutely makes sense.

 

[KidGamer65]

once again, it was a one word question.

I could've responded with one word, but I'd fully expect you to run crying about how "I have no proof hurr hurr". :lol

Read the reply. Idc who it was directed at, the point is the context of what you were saying.

The context of my posts for that argument follows the fact that Nagato can't react. So once again, :lol. You don't make sense. Don't jump into my argument and throw a hissy fit like some schoolgirl when I don't agree with the BS you are spewing.

If you still don't understand what I was saying, then just stop replying. Im not gonna bother restating the same thing. I don't get a hardon from it like you.

@bold: thats the interval

I've understood and replied to what you are saying over 5x now. The only reason this debate is ongoing is because you are too daft to give up when you know you are wrong.

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That's not an interval related to the usage of the jutsu. Onoki waits till the last minute because making Ay heavy before he hits his opponent means that his opponent will easily react to said attack. The jutsus themselves can be switched between at a mere thought as long as Onoki is touching the opponent, as shown in the Manga, that you are still ignoring.

Proper argument? Someone might think that he made the best argument in history, while you might think it has no sense whatsoever. Its completely normal, but its no reason to insult other person. Also, Im not going to find some posts from the past, Im waaaaay too lazy to do that. Still, Im not the first person who thinks that you are too full of yourself.

I think it makes no sense because the Manga blatantly disagrees with it. Not to mention you are still operating under your preconceived notions that are literally based off of nothing but what you could dig out of your anus, notions I've addressed multiple times, so all I can tell you at this point is to go complain to someone who cares.

Nice to know I have a fanbase though. :lol

 

[KidGamer65]

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Just a few. I'm not going in-depth with this because these scans are pretty clear.

Don't need to. I agree.

Actually, after thinking about your argument thoroughly, that actually makes sense. I'll concede here.

The only thing I don't agree with is Bee taking minimal damage because of ST's lack of strength. There's a relationship between the force of gravity and the distance between the two objects. The farther away the object is, the weaker the gravitational force will be on Bee, so Bee received less damage due to simply being farther away.

But you're correct and your logic absolutely makes sense.

Alright.

 

[PT1990]

I think it makes no sense because the Manga blatantly disagrees with it. Not to mention you are still operating under your preconceived notions that are literally based off of nothing but what you could dig out of your anus, notions I've addressed multiple times, so all I can tell you at this point is to go complain to someone who cares.

Nice to know I have a fanbase though. :lol

Alrighty, have a nice day.

 

[KidGamer65]

had nothing to do with Nagato reacting, It was alrady assumed that he uses ST, hence the response

Nagato using ST can be before or after Ay and Onoki charge him, so no, Nagato being able to react was never assumed by anyone but you. Though keep on trying to justify your lack of evidence for the claim.

No you didn't, you were responding to your own comments that were not even relevant to mine.

I can literally go back and show you why this statement is false.

Praise the ****ing gods, that was the answer to my question 10000000000000 posts ago. I see you got your head partially out of your ass. Unfortunately the scan you posted didn't prove that hence why I asked again.

Yes. It's sad that I had to read the Manga to you even after posting a scan before you were finally able to understand a Manga written for children.

 

[NarutoX28]

Honestly, Nagato using Shinra Tensei before Lightened Ei begins his movement seems rather odd.

If anything, Shinra Tensei is always used defensively (when he has full control of his body) whereas Bansho Tenin is used more offensively. Him using it as an offensive maneuvor against opponents that he lacks knowledge on doesn't make much sense to me.

So with this in mind, Nagato would be forced to react to Lightened Ei's speed IMO, which he can't as he hasn't displayed reflexes superior to Madara's.

 

[KidGamer65]

honestly go to page 4 and re read the comments. Just do it. And then stop replying.

@bold: the scan does not show an instant switch. That is what you inferred from it. Not my problem. The fact that he waits for the right moment is your assumption.

I asked for a scan that proves an instant switch and what you posted does not

:lol. Just stop. You jumped into an argument looking a fool because you ignored the scenario the argument was already in before you decided to intervene. It's that simple.

No, it's not my assumption. It's the whole depicted point of the combo, and I've literally broken down why Onoki needs to wait to make him heavy. If he makes him heavy too soon, he can't move fast enough to hit the target thus the attack fails. And how does the scan not show an instant switch when the moment Onoki says the jutsu name, Ay's fist is weighted? You literally make no sense. At this point it's clear you are arguing just to argue. Do me a favor and stop dragging out an argument where you are clearly wrong.

 

[Amaterasu]

Yep, Preta Path takes no damage from physical attacks if there's a source of chakra to absorb. Just like Chou Odama Rasengan from Jiraiya was literally grabbed by Preta with his bare hands before he started absorbing it. Just like v2 Lariat had already finished his attack and only then did Nagato start absorbing. Ay's v2 will be used and Preta will negate its damage by absorbing his shroud (which holds a tremendous amount of chakra).

-Onoki's Jinton, Mei's Suiton's, Futton and Yoton can all be absorbed by Preta.

-Asura lasers can annihilate the area and block vision, all the while Nagato can still sense them all and use his Shinra Tensei's.

-Tsunade is one shotted by BT>Soul rip, she will probably be the initial target since she's the healer. Ay can be BT>soul ripped too.

-CST one shots them all.

-Nagato's bird and chameleon summons are useful here. Nagato will be on the bird while his chameleon can be used as a stealth>immobilise tool.

-Gaara's Sand cannot block a repulsion force, it doesn't work like shockwaves would. It's literally a repulsion force that can't be countered by a normal defence.

^Second this, 7 pages tho' lol

 

[KidGamer65]

we've been over this, go to page 4 please. Like I said idc who your comment was addressed to. The context is what I was responding to.


It depends on the way you read the panel. But even if there is on it pretty small.

And I'm telling you that the context of that post follows the scenario already established. It seems you are having a hard time understanding what the word "context" means.

It doesn't. If you read it correctly, you come to the conclusion that Lightweight and Heavyweight can be switched between seamlessly at a nigh instant speed and that Onoki only waited so he wouldn't slow down the counter attack.

ok

These two had nothing to do with my question. How is Onoki going to hang on to Ay's shoulder when he's hit with ST? Is his arms strong enough to hold him in place? I doubt it.

3. They'd get pushed backwards. If they are hit, they just move backwards. No reason for Onoki to be thrown off his back until impact with the ground is made.

That is a direct rebuttal to your statement. Why would the force knock Onoki off of Ay's back when they get pushed back together? It's not like Onoki is being targeted while Ay isn't.

 

[KidGamer65]

And who says it's correct? You?

I won't even bother with the context part. You seem to enjoy getting off on that one.

No. The Manga does. But you wouldn't be asking me this if you could actually read it without me holding your hand. For the 3rd time now, if Onoki makes Ay heavy too soon, Ay won't move fast enough to hit before the opponent can counter attack. That's why he uses Lightweight to increase his speed, and then Heavyweight to increase his power right before he's about to make impact.

Please reply with something constructive and not more lame jokes and retarded questions.

 

[Apêx1]

What's even being debated here?

 

[Beans2]

Haha are you serious? Oh my god, Wall of Fail shit right here dude.

Firstly, it wasn't one "small building" it was about 10 "small buildings".

Secondly we are talking about missiles here boy. You gonna say that because Nagato tanked paper tags that he tanks Deidaras bombs too? Get real.

Thirdly, even if he doesn't die he gets severely damaged and immobilized for a period of time (which I still doubt). But Nagato won't just stop there, he gets pulled and killed by soul rip or Asura cannon.

:lol

Funny how you say I need education on manga when you claim bull like this dude and haven't replied to my other points.

Smh, read. I said you would get a reply.

1. Wrong. The maximum height of the explosions did not even reach past 1 story. Then there's the fact that was four missiles, not one. Not only are you using just the size of the explosions to justify your notion that they are strong enough, but the size of a single rocket's explosion is not even that big.

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It did minor damage to a concrete building. Not sure why you think Raikage would be unable to tank this.

2. Being missiles means jack. They aren't nearly as powerful or destructive as real life missiles. By feats they are not powerful enough to damage Raikage. Simple as that.

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Nagato's legs.
-Cloaked Raikage is much much more durable than Nagato's legs, Sasuke's chidori barely able to scratch him. And chidori is a stronger attack than Asura missile considering it is extremely focused instead of an explosion. Raikage tanks Asura rocket like he tanked Juugo's explosion [

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], a stronger attack than Asura rockets.

3. Based on absolutely nothing. Pulling him him and trying to use Asura cannon or soul rip is suicide for Nagato, seeing how Onoki is still on Ay's back meaning Ay blitzes, and smashes him with a heavyweight punch.

Yeah can you prove he would be able to tell it's exactly Nagato? He can summon all his animals, and Gaara won't know who is who. Meanwhile Nagato picks every Kage one by one with Bansho Ten'in and probably starts with the main problem, Gaara.

Putting up a mist can be countered in so many ways anyway.

Animal summons are fodder in this matchup. It doesn't matter if they can't tell which summon Nagato would be hiding in if he chooses to use this strategy, because they can just kill all the summons. :lol. None of them are as durable as V2 Susanoo, and none of them can react to lightened Ay, so he blitzes them all except:

-Invisible chamaleon, which can be sensed by Gaara and crushed in sand coffin.
-The bird, whose wings Gaara can crush with his sand making it unable to fly.
-Cerberus, which can be immobilized with a single touch from Onoki using the weighted rock jutsu.

If Nagato reveals himself to use BT, he gives away his position and the other Kage counterattack. "picking them off one at a time" is not going to work for Nagato against five kages. If Nagato uses BT on Gaara, he leaves himself vulnerable to being blitzed by lightened Ay. If he uses BT on Ay, he just gets blitzed as soon as they enter close combat. Or, Onoki weighs him down with the weighted rock technique making him too heavy to be pulled in. And, Gaara can just attack Nagato with the sand at his feet and crush him while he can't use ST.

@Bold: I'm going to need some explanation.

You just said he'd be so light he's lighter than air. How does E do anything with that mass? Nagato would probably overpower them. Don't contradict yourself son.

Lol, tanked? They tank this?

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That's just one. What stops him from firing multiple? Wall of Fail shit right here.

@Bold: not even sure if serious. Ay remains lightened the whole time, except for the moment right before he strikes in which Onoki makes Ay's fist heavy to add destructive power.

In the first paragraph I explained why Ay would be able to tank it but that doesn't even matter since:

1. Lightened Ay would shitblitz Nagato with shunshin and smashes him to bits, Onoki making his fist heavy at the last second to add power to the attack. Way before Nagato can use Asura missiles or even react.

2. Or, Onoki can weigh him down with his weighted-rock technique, making Ay too heavy to be drawn in with BT. Then he uses rock golem or Gaara uses a protective sand wall to tank the incoming rocket.

Smh, did you forget that Tsunade was treating them for the rest of Narutos fight? And you know he can concentrate it right? Once it goes off, they all fly, get missiles shot in their way an who knows whatever stuff to mess their life up more. I mean Nagato can just use animal path to make a mess of their life. Imagine all 6 together.

Gg son.

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] without any protection from widespread CST, so my point still stands. Already addressed the possibility of Nagato focusing it. Even if he was able to track lightened Ay's position and hit him with it, he wouldn't be able to target him and the other at the same time if it's focused. Then Nagato loses his Deva powers and Tsunade, Mei, and Gaara ruin him. If he targets another kage with focused CST, then lightened Ay destroys him.

Not to mention if Ay and Onoki are as light as a feather, they won't hit the ground with much force and not take damage. It's laughable that you think Animal Path gives the Gokage any trouble btw.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Gokage win with high difficulty. Each one of them has a way to cover the other and counter act Nagato's jutsu.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Next time use a spoiler please!!!!​

You really show how much you know about the manga with this.
1. we have seen Gaara use defence better than what he used against Yasamagnata.
2. LOL did you even see the Madara vs 5 kage fight? Gaara shits on preta path. You are mistaken. You believe that Gaara has to infuse chakra in the sand to use the sand but that is incorrect. What you mean is that infusing chakra in the sand makes it stronger.
3. Are the summonings kage level? The only summoning that Mei and Tsunade don't fodderize is chameleon and Gaara can easily deal with that. The chameleon isn't getting close to mei if she has boil release mist around her and if she was "swallowed whole" she would wreck it from the inside. Tsunade is their, she can summon Katsuya and heal anyone who needs it. All this while Nagto has to worry about not being blitzed by A. 5 V 1 wouldn't go as smooth as you would think. He would be overwhelmed by them. Madara atleast had Susanoo and Hashirama level Mokuton, Nagato doesn't have enough.

What is the strongest defense Gaara has used is it enough to tank a focused FSST nope so you missed me with that claim. Actually Madara states that it hit him before he hand time to use Preta path plus with the combination of the other Kages it numbed his body i would like to see Gaara do that feat by himself then we'll have something worth a debate until then read the scans carefully that you post. Are you implying the sand Gaara manipulates doesn't need a chakra connection?

Are the summonings Kage level what????. Where is you counter you claim they can wreck it but how? Please go into detail the summonings not being Kage level is the reason why they win Lmao. Mei using boil release means she can melt her comrades so i doubt she'll do that. If she uses boil release

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and rap her up and bite her face off. Tsunade punching Cerberus isn't going to do shit it will get right back up and divide making it even harder for her to fight back accurately. while she's being distracted by Cerberus the Giant Crustacean spits wild bubble wave to plow her down and restrict her movements once she down Nagato's flying bird dive it's beak right through her skull. .

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. Actually he doesn't the moment Oonoki and Ei tries to backpack Nagato simply uses FSST(Full scale shinra Tensei) which means GG to all the gokage.​

Super Shinra tensei has slow start up, more than enough time for them to defend and takes a lot of chakra and leaves him vulnerable.

Chibaku Tensei gets negged by Jinton.

Shinra tensei and Banshotenin gets countered by Sand and Weighted jutsu + chakra on their feet.

Ashura gets blocked by Sand and Doton.

Summoning gets beat by Lava release, Boil release, Sand sensing, super strength and jinton.

Human path is pretty much impossible to land, even if he got someone in his grasp anyone can interfere.

The kages have a medic.

Actually it doesn't since this is Nagato not Pain.

Reason # 1- He had to get to the center of the village.

Reason # 2- His paths had to flee the village so they wouldn't get crushed.

Reason # 3- He had to deactivate all the paths to focus his chakra directly through Deva path.

Actually not really when Oonoki has to be completely still while using Jinton and with him constantly being pulled it would be simply impossible to use Jinton while moving with CT in the Sky so using Super Jinton isn't an option.​

Unless Nagato can take them out most to all at once he isn't winning. Gaara's Sand isn't blocking FSST nuff said. Yes only if Nagato decides to sit back and watch while they all take on his summonings like a fool. The kages having a medic is good and all but what if the a medic when the bodies on the one's that need to be healed are mauled beyond recognition and sent 100's of meters away?​

Gokage win with high difficulty. Each one of them has a way to cover the other and counter act Nagato's jutsu.

Counter to full scale shinra Tensei?​

What's even being debated here?

Nagato vs the fodder gokage.​

 

[Lord Tywin]

3. They'd get pushed backwards. If they are hit, they just move backwards. No reason for Onoki to be thrown off his back until impact with the ground is made.

That is a direct rebuttal to your statement. Why would the force knock Onoki off of Ay's back when they get pushed back together? It's not like Onoki is being targeted while Ay isn't.

It's the force of ST. Ohnoki isn't connected to Ay other than grabbing Ay's shoulder. ST's force is strong enough to make ohnoki lose his grip on Ay's shoulder.