Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[KidGamer65]

Such baseless arrogance. None of the trash you said successfully counters the fact that, they are not getting up quickly after getting hit by ST. The provided scans are sufficient proof.

Can we stop making these idiotic replies for one second here and actually read and comprehend what is written before we reply? Your scans prove my point. That ST on it's own doesn't do anything. Naruto's clone was not poofed until he hit the ground.

@bold, clones can take multiple hits

Which is irrelevant as they take less hits to poof than it takes a normal human, especially Kage level, to actually take major damage let alone die. What's worse is that you completely ignored the B example. Not even sure how clones being able to take multiple hits is a counter. Smh.

-Killer B took ST, uninjured as he did not hit the ground.
-Naruto and his clone took ST, clone didn't poof till he hit the ground. Naruto showed no visible pain until he hit the ground.

there is no actual way to tell if toads took damage before hitting the wall.

Only one I'll let slide since technically you have a point, but you are still wrong though.

 

[KidGamer65]

You misunderstood the point of those scans. This argument has diverged from my original purpose. The scans were to show the effect of ST. It was a counter to why the 2 Kages won't simply shake it off and jump back up. Clearly nothing you said proves otherwise, in fact by previously assuming they hit the ground you support my point.

Then your point is even worse considering Naruto got back up a page later, before Pain could use Shinra Tensei again. Now swap Naruto out for Onoki and Ay, who can dramatically decrease their weight thus decreasing the amount of recoil they feel when they hit the ground, and add the fact that I also stated Gaara could catch them with sand.

It's not irrelevant, similar to the toad argument, you can't know for sure if they took damage or not, seeing as they can take multiple hits.

The only thing it proves is that, if there was damage, it was not very significant.

Thus it's completely irrelevant here, because "not very significant" damage translates to a wasted effort. And we clearly saw B a page after Shinra Tensei was used. He showed no damage so there is no reason to believe that he will take no damage.

Point is, If Pain's ST is powerful enough to take out all the toads and Naruto's SM clones, Ay and O are not simply getting back up, it can very easily take them the 5 second interval. Especially considering O's back issues.

Explained above, too many times. Most of this is just repeating what Zexion stated.

 

[KidGamer65]

Since when does Onoki or even A for that matter have SM durability? I don't see why you are giving them SM Naruto feats. Besides Pain showed numerous times different levels of ST, thus making variable damage as seen when comparing Naruto against the toads.

Nope. Read that post again, cause I never once stated that they have SM durability.

1. Ay is more durable than Naruto first of all, but that's another story, one you'd know if you read the Manga.
2. I've said, twice now, that LIGHTENING THEIR BODIES DECREASES THE AMOUNT OF RECOIL THEY RECEIVE.

Not sure bout this, but I doubt Onoki can decrease his and A's weight while being launched by ST, when about a milisecond ago he was increasing the weight of A's fist.

It's hardly automatic.

Based on what exactly? Because all I see here is your opinion, and I don't care for an opinion that isn't backed by evidence. How does increasing the weight of Ay's fist mean that he can't lighten their bodies? Why would he be increasing the weight of his fist when Nagato is using ST at the beginning of the battle since you decided to jump into my argument with Zexion?

You don't make any sense here whatsoever. Automatic=/=Unable to do it.

As stated for the third time, Onoki =/= A in durability neither does Onoki = SM Naruto in durability, for someone who was repeatedly shown having back issues, getting launched into a wall with an attack that was strong enough to incapacitate the toads, is not something he will walk away from, nor immediately get up.

Irrelevant for reasons stated above. Stop mentioning durability when durability is irrelevant nor did I ever claim any of this nonsense.

getting caught by Gaara is circumstantial.

Not really.

Your counters to him were poor.

To anyone who can't read, maybe. :lol

 

[Rozari]

Nagato wins

 

[Zexion~]

Smh. Why don't you do me a favor and read the Manga. Save us both a lot of time.

-Vs. Pain. Naruto's clones didn't poof until they hit the ground.
-Vs. Pain. Toads didn't take damage until they hit the ground.
-Vs. Pain. B never hit the ground and took no damage.

Read the manga

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Look at Naruto :lol He's clearly in pain, if it were just a force that provided no damage to the body his shit would not be rocked as it clearly was :lol


Also in this instance his base clones started bursting right away

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*Popoof*

Don't cite logic when Manga panels disagree.

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[KidGamer65]

Read the manga

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Look at Naruto :lol He's clearly in pain, if it were just a force that provided no damage to the body his shit would not be rocked as it clearly was :lol


Also in this instance his base clones started bursting right away

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*Popoof*


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Thanks for showing me a scan of Naruto making a face of pain AFTER he hits the ground. Thanks for also showing me a scan of his shadow clone poofing AFTER it hits the ground.

The base clone business is irrelevant as the point is, the damage done is very little. The brunt of the damage comes from getting hit. Naruto's SM clone didn't poof until after it hit the ground, so I have no reason to believe that Onoki or Ay will be adversely affected by Shinra Tensei when they can lighten themselves to further decrease the impact.

 

[Zexion~]

Thanks for showing me a scan of Naruto making a face of pain AFTER he hits the ground. Thanks for also showing me a scan of his shadow clone poofing AFTER it hits the ground.

The base clone business is irrelevant as the point is, the damage done is very little. The brunt of the damage comes from getting hit. Naruto's SM clone didn't poof until after it hit the ground, so I have no reason to believe that Onoki or Ay will be adversely affected by Shinra Tensei when they can lighten themselves to further decrease the impact.

Bruh, why do you think making yourself lighter does anything? The force changes depending on surface area not weight .-.

All it means is that they are more easily damaged if anything as like I said the lighter something is the easier it is to disturb.

Also Ohnoki's back doesn't take much to affect so the basic ST still would most likely do it even if Gaara catches them.

 

[KidGamer65]

ARCHER. Stop being an incompetent half wit retard and read before you reply. I explicitly stated why they don't need to be as durable as Naruto, and manga panels support my point.

If you weren't an illiterate little shit, you would've conceded instead of wasting my time with these trash arguments.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bruh, why do you think making yourself lighter does anything? The force changes depending on surface area not weight .-.

All it means is that they are more easily damaged if anything as like I said the lighter something is the easier it is to disturb.

Also Ohnoki's back doesn't take much to affect so the basic ST still would most likely do it even if Gaara catches them.

Pretty sure gravity affects objects with more mass easier than it does objects with little mass. Even if that isn't true, Gaara catches them. Why in the world would Onokis back be messed up when the sand cushions their fall?

Lol stop grasping.

 

[Zexion~]

ARCHER. Stop being an incompetent half wit retard and read before you reply. I explicitly stated why they don't need to be as durable as Naruto, and manga panels support my point.

If you weren't an illiterate little shit, you would've conceded instead of wasting my time with these trash arguments.

This may be why you get banned my man


Onoki's back would hurt from the force slamming him in the other direction.

 

[KidGamer65]

This may be why you get banned my man


Onoki's back would hurt from the force slamming him in the other direction.

If the impact is great enough? Yes. If not, no.

And if dude wants to insult, he better be prepared to get insulted.

 

[PT1990]

If the impact is great enough? Yes. If not, no.

And if dude wants to insult, he better be prepared to get insulted.

You tend to insult people simply becuase they dont agree agree with you. Clearly, you are intelligent fellow, but you need to grow up.

 

[KidGamer65]

So cute, Now go re read what I said, which you completely ignored. I do not feel like wasting time repeating the same thing to someone who can't even follow a specific argument.

@bold.
You never countered, nor provided any scans that show otherwise. To remind you since you clearly don't remember what you wrote:




And that is why I was talking about a weighted fist and then simultaneously using light weight rock. Hence when they get hit by ST, Onoki won't be able to use the light weight rock technique on A.

Now if you weren't being such a ****, you would have stated whether he can use light and added weight at the same time, or at least quickly interchange between them.

But alas, you got your head so far up your own ass that you can't even read simple paragraphs. It's ok. I'll wait till you get it out.

Lmao. How stupid are your replies going to get? I highly suggest you do us all a favor and quit your little bitchfit and actually read before you reply.

Nope. Read that post again, cause I never once stated that they have SM durability.

Not going to bother countering "They don't have SM durability" when I never stated that they have SM durability. As for the second part, I clearly responded with:

Based on what exactly? Because all I see here is your opinion, and I don't care for an opinion that isn't backed by evidence. How does increasing the weight of Ay's fist mean that he can't lighten their bodies? Why would he be increasing the weight of his fist when Nagato is using ST at the beginning of the battle since you decided to jump into my argument with Zexion?

You don't make any sense here whatsoever. Automatic=/=Unable to do it.

If you weren't busy crying instead of reading, you would've seen the paragraph that clearly states that they can, and that you literally have no reason to assume that he can't. Please stop grasping at straws.

So once again. Tell me how:

-Using the heavyweight technique means that they can't switch in between them in succession when they already did so in the Manga. Ay charged at Madara, (while lightened) and then Onoki switched from lightening him to making his fist heavy. Please read the Manga before you reply. Don't cry and moan about me not addressing your post when you can't even provide basic evidence for it.

Not sure why you are taking my quotes when you can't even interpret them properly. Please read everything before jumping into someone's debate. It will stop you from looking like a fool.

He can ST right when Onoki gets on his back, and if their traveling towards Nagato he's going to get hit.

If he uses ST while Onoki gets on his back, then he pushes them back while they are stationary. Not to mention after it's been used, he kills them during the cool down.

Zexion stated that ST would be used AS ONOKI GETS ON HIS BACK. That is the point he continued to argue from since he had no real evidence that Nagato can react to Lightened Ay's speed. If Nagato uses ST while Onoki is getting on his back from 50m away like Zex and I were arguing, Onoki won't have to worry about switching from Lightweight to Heavyweight when he gets hit before he can even use heavyweight to begin with.

Furthermore, do you even know how Ay and Onoki's combo works? (Oh wait, illiterates can't read the Manga, my bad) Onoki lightens Ay and then flies at the opponent, right when he is about to make contact, he switches from lightweight to heavyweight and then Ay's weighted fist hits the opponent. So tell me more about how Onoki would be using the heavyweight technique when in this premise, ST is being used before Ay and Onoki have started moving? It's ok, I know you are slow so I'll wait for you to piece it all together.

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Lol. To any spectators, this is why you don't argue with illiterates.

You tend to insult people simply becuase they dont agree agree with you. Clearly, you are intelligent fellow, but you need to grow up.

I insult when insulted or when the person I'm arguing with decides to blatantly ignore the evidence in my post. That simple. But if you would actually read before you replied I wouldn't have to tell you that. :lol

Though I'm curious as to whose alt this is.

 

[NarutoX28]

Shinra Tensei's force clearly causes damage.

Not only did blow through a part of a forest as shown with Nagato's case, Deva's Shinra Tensei also formed somewhat of a crater when he repelled Naruto's Boss Summons and his weaker Shinra Tensei used against Kakashi still demolished his Earth Wall.

Naruto's Clone dispersing once he touched the ground doesn't prove anything as it's constantly shown that there is some interval before Naruto's clone disperses. That is mostly always the case.

 

[KidGamer65]

Shinra Tensei's force clearly causes damage.

Not only did blow through a part of a forest as shown with Nagato's case, Deva's Shinra Tensei also formed somewhat of a crater when he repelled Naruto's Boss Summons and his weaker Shinra Tensei used against Kakashi still demolished his Earth Wall.

Naruto's Clone dispersing once he touched the ground doesn't prove anything as it's constantly shown that there is some interval before Naruto's clone disperses. That is mostly always the case.

Proof for the bold? Rest has been addressed over 5x, but since no one feels like reading these days....:lol

1. All your examples are irrelevant because I have already provided manga panels that disagree with your argument. Manga panels that you cannot counter.

2. Kakashi's Earth Wall was pushed down because it is stationary. Same thing goes for the trees. If the trees were not rooted into the ground like that Earth Wall, they would've gone flying just like Kakashi did, just like B did, and just like Naruto's clone did with no damage being taken until they made impact with the ground itself.

Does it do damage? Yes. Does it do any damage that'd matter here? No. Been stated over twice now.

 

[PT1990]

I insult when insulted or when the person I'm arguing with decides to blatantly ignore the evidence in my post. That simple. But if you would actually read before you replied I wouldn't have to tell you that. :lol

Though I'm curious as to whose alt this is.

You insult when someone disagrees with you. Just becuase you see something as certain evidence doesnt mean than other person have to agree with you, its that simple.

Alt? Nope. Im quite new user, even though I was visiting this forum since 2011.

 

[solorflare99]

Shinra Tensei's force clearly causes damage.

Not only did blow through a part of a forest as shown with Nagato's case, Deva's Shinra Tensei also formed somewhat of a crater when he repelled Naruto's Boss Summons and his weaker Shinra Tensei used against Kakashi still demolished his Earth Wall.

Naruto's Clone dispersing once he touched the ground doesn't prove anything as it's constantly shown that there is some interval before Naruto's clone disperses. That is mostly always the case.

That isn't how Forces work. A force by itself can move trees or rocks but it doesn't indicate damage is done by the force but by the structure of what was attacked. The trees and mud wall are stuck to the ground so of course damage is done because the structure falls apart. Falling doesn't cause pain but hitting the ground does. Their is a difference between pushing/pulling and colliding/striking.

 

[KidGamer65]

My god you really are full of yourself. And you still did not understand the point. I get that you fap to your own comments but at least try to comprehend what others say.

In the premise Nagato is reacting to A's weighted punch -> he uses ST -> you say they take no damage cause of light weight -> I ask if he can use light and heavy at the same time -> you say yes but with no proof

@bold: that was the ****ing question, can he switch instantly?

Bloody hell pompous jackass, I said NOT SURE yet you did not show proof that would prove me wrong.

Lol. Once again, you look like a fool. You jumped into an argument where the premise had already been set. (This is why we read before we reply. Not after. Look before you leap. Not after.) You don't even have proof that Nagato can react to Lightened Ay to begin with so why would you assume that we are in that scenario when evidence that he CAN'T react has been provided?

Proof for all my claims has been provided as of this point, regardless of your idiotic scenario. Please counter or please stop replying to me. It's really that simple.

@bold: I hope I'm not the only one who is seeing this...Smh. Illiterate would be a compliment at this point.

Furthermore, do you even know how Ay and Onoki's combo works? (Oh wait, illiterates can't read the Manga, my bad) Onoki lightens Ay and then flies at the opponent, right when he is about to make contact, he switches from lightweight to heavyweight and then Ay's weighted fist hits the opponent. So tell me more about how Onoki would be using the heavyweight technique when in this premise, ST is being used before Ay and Onoki have started moving? It's ok, I know you are slow so I'll wait for you to piece it all together.

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All your answers are in this quotation complete with two manga panels, yet you are still asking me the same dumb question, which didn't even deserve a real response to begin with. Why in the world are you even asking if he can switch instantly when switching instantly is not needed when ST will not hit him from 50m and knock him to the ground in a single instant.


And I never said that Lightweight and Heavyweight could or had to be used at the same time. See? There goes your inability to comprehend the text of the English language again.

 

[KidGamer65]

You insult when someone disagrees with you. Just becuase you see something as certain evidence doesnt mean than other person have to agree with you, its that simple.

Alt? Nope. Im quite new user, even though I was visiting this forum since 2011.

Hmm, let me break this down for you so that you won't reply to me saying something ridiculous again. I challenge you and anyone else who has the tendency to cry when I insult others to find me quotes where I insulted someone who was reading all my posts correctly, and not denying Manga fact. I'll be waiting.

I insult when someone disagrees and responds by flaming me first, or by ignoring everything I'm stating. If you are going to follow my posts I suggest we follow them right.

 

[PT1990]

I insulted someone who was reading all my posts correctly, and not denying Manga fact. I'll be waiting.

By "correctly" you mean that said person has to agree with you, I presume?