Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage
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When did Madara put in the effort to evade anything in that fight :lol I feel like everyone uses that fight as great feats for the Kage but I mean didn't he state he didn't give two shits in that battle? Regardless, the cloak is going to be absorbed so his fist speed is going to drop dramatically, probably to the point where Asura can block it.
Not to mention ST Shits.
Also Ay was lightened but i'm still pretty sure Ohnoki was the one moving them.
Nagato casually kept up with KCM Naruto who reacted to normal V2 Ay.... Isn't a stretch to say he couldn't evade that.
He def can ST in time.
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No, he didn't. Fans who try their hardest to discredit the feats they got during that battle use Madara's non serious attitude as grounds to completely ignore said feats. Madara wasn't taking them seriously, but that obviously doesn't mean that he chose not to evade any attack.
-Blocked Ay.
-Dodged Meti's Lava.
-Blocked Tsunade's punch.
-Absorbed Jinton.
-Evaded Super Jinton when his Preta Path didn't work.
-Swapped out with a clone when the Gokage started to pressure him.
So on and so forth. Madara had issues reacting, so Nagato doesn't. Not sure why you are still claiming that "the cloak gets absorbed" when you don't even have real evidence Nagato can react in the first place, then there's the fact that the speed of his arm decreasing dramatically literally makes no sense.
1. Raiton Armor dramatically increases Shunshin and reaction speed. Striking has nothing to do with that, but of course it gets a boost. Just not a dramatic one.
2. Why would the speed of his fist decrease when the momentum has already been put behind it? When it has already hit him in his gut? Makes zero sense. Goes against any kind of physics.
3. Irrelevant, as I've said like, 3 times now on this thread, the bulk of that power comes from the weighted fist. Unless you think Nagato can tank Ay's weighted fist, you don't even have a point even I assumed that you had a point with the first 2.
Irrelevant when he can't react.
How would Onoki be moving Ay's arm? Onoki makes it heavy and makes it normal whenever he needs to. He doesn't control what he lightens.
If only Nagato ever kept up with Naruto. If only Naruto even used his speed for you to even begin claiming that he "kept up" with Naruto. Naruto jumped at Nagato, the chameleon caught him and then Nagato slid over and tried to take out his soul. How did you get "Nagato casually (of all things) kept up with KCM Naruto" from that?
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Nagato is NOT surviving a single one of Ay's weighted punches. Ay was strong enough to punch away SZ Buddha fists
Gokage win this mid difficulty. Mei will start by using Hidden Mist to weaken the Rinnegan's vision. Nagato can absorb it with Preta path, but he can only absorb the mist directly around him meaning it will take time to absorb battlefield-wide mist. Time he doesn't have since he can't cast other jutsu while absorbing chakra [
Why won't Shinra Tensei work as an offensive attack on Ay/Onoki? Because Onoki will lighten the bodies of both himself and Ay to where they are lighter than air before they hit the ground. Force=mass x acceleration. If Ay and Onoki have almost no mass then they will hit the ground with very little force and thus take little damage, not to mention Gaara can catch his teammates with his lightened sand [
CST won't let Nagato win this battle either. He can't focus it on Ay/Onoki for reasons I've already explained, and even if he could, the other kage would remain unharmed since they are not the ones being targeted and therefore Gaara would neg a Nagato without Deva powers. If Nagato uses his 360 degree CST, Ay/Onoki counter it by lightening themselves and then blitz in the cooldown time (Gaara also survives due to catching himself with his sand, and Tsunade survived this in canon.)
Chibaku Tensei core is destroyed with Jinton the same way Bee, Naruto, and Itachi destroyed it with their respective attacks. Nagato's other abilities (Naraka, Asura, and Human paths) are not worth addressing.
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due to Onoki making his fist heavy and it's obvious Nagato gets wrecked. The little bit of durability Nagato has granted by his mechanical body isn't enough since Asura path got one shotted by SM Rasengan in canon. Being able to absorb the raiton chakra off Ay's fist changes nothing since Raiton shroud only enhances Ay's physical strength by a little bit.Gokage win this mid difficulty. Mei will start by using Hidden Mist to weaken the Rinnegan's vision. Nagato can absorb it with Preta path, but he can only absorb the mist directly around him meaning it will take time to absorb battlefield-wide mist. Time he doesn't have since he can't cast other jutsu while absorbing chakra [
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], meaning that lightened Ay blitzes him. Shinra Tensei can disperse the mist, but immediately afterward Ay would blitz in the five second cooldown.Why won't Shinra Tensei work as an offensive attack on Ay/Onoki? Because Onoki will lighten the bodies of both himself and Ay to where they are lighter than air before they hit the ground. Force=mass x acceleration. If Ay and Onoki have almost no mass then they will hit the ground with very little force and thus take little damage, not to mention Gaara can catch his teammates with his lightened sand [
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] to soften their landing. Not to mention Nagato can't track lightened Ay's speed so he won't know where to direct his Shinra Tensei, meaning he will have to use the 360 degrees ST to successfully defend himself from being blitzed. If he doesn't focus his ST, its destructive power is lessened immensely as seen by how even fodders survived 360 degrees CST. Immediately after using ST, either Ay blitzes in the cooldown time or Gaara simultaneously attacks with his sand coming from the ground below Nagato and seals him in a sand pyramid [
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].CST won't let Nagato win this battle either. He can't focus it on Ay/Onoki for reasons I've already explained, and even if he could, the other kage would remain unharmed since they are not the ones being targeted and therefore Gaara would neg a Nagato without Deva powers. If Nagato uses his 360 degree CST, Ay/Onoki counter it by lightening themselves and then blitz in the cooldown time (Gaara also survives due to catching himself with his sand, and Tsunade survived this in canon.)
Chibaku Tensei core is destroyed with Jinton the same way Bee, Naruto, and Itachi destroyed it with their respective attacks. Nagato's other abilities (Naraka, Asura, and Human paths) are not worth addressing.
Except that Nagato is a sensor while Kage are not (Gaara is pseudo, but not really a sensor) so if Mei puts up a mist, Nagato just gets in his chameleon and trolls the Kage low diff. Ha ha.
That also means that Nagato can Bansho Ten'in, forcing E as lightweight champion for the rest of the fight and Onoki gets stabbed by a rod. Or he can just shoot Asura missiles. Depends.
Not being targeted? What part of entire village got decimated did you skip?
Lol.
Please do your research before replying to me. Sand sensing detects chamaleon just like it detected the Mizukage's clam.
Bansho Tenin on Ay is absolutely the worst strategy I can think of since Ay would literally just blitz him with a heavyweight attack. Asura missiles are tanked, but it doesn't matter since Ay would blitz him before he can even use missiles.
If CST is being used over a large area, its force is dispersed over the fistance. That's the reason why Tsunade, Hinata, and hundreds of fodders survived CST village buster.
Concession accepted.
Yeah can you prove he would be able to tell it's exactly Nagato? He can summon all his animals, and Gaara won't know who is who. Meanwhile Nagato picks every Kage one by one with Bansho Ten'in and probably starts with the main problem, Gaara.
Putting up a mist can be countered in so many ways anyway.
You just said he'd be so light he's lighter than air. How does E do anything with that mass? Nagato would probably overpower them. Don't contradict yourself son.
Lol, tanked? They tank this?
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That's just one. What stops him from firing multiple? Wall of Fail shit right here.
Smh, did you forget that Tsunade was treating them for the rest of Narutos fight? And you know he can concentrate it right? Once it goes off, they all fly, get missiles shot in their way an who knows whatever stuff to mess their life up more. I mean Nagato can just use animal path to make a mess of their life. Imagine all 6 together.
Gg son.
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Nagato wins med difficulty.
This plus when Kisame and Samehada got hit by the same attack it was absorbed yet Kisame still got a creator put in his stomach.
Do not take Beans serious he thinks the 3rd Raikage can survive CT. Plus he claims the old kages can beat Nagato.
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The part that kills me is you gave zero reason why Ay can't tank them. Asura missiles best feat is making small building-sized explosions. Not even able to destroy said buildings, only do minor damage to them. Four paper tags managed to blow up a small building. Dozens of paper tags would be able to destroy a much bigger building than four paper tags, but were unable to destroy Nagato's legs. Cloaked Ay is WAY more durable than Nagato's legs so he tanks Asura missiles with ease. Especially when he tanked a bunch of Juugo's lasers from a point blank range at the same time.
The part that really kills me though is you think animal path can give Gokages trouble or Nagato can "hide in chamaleon and troll low diff." I will give your dumbass post a reply once I get home, but I'm not KG. I won't take the time to reply to you over and over again to educate you on the manga, you get one more reply and if you still stick to your defeated points I'll just ignore it and move on.
The crazy part about this post is that Preta absorbing Ay's attacks has been proved wrong over and over again but you still stick to that fail idea. Putting words in my mouth huh? When did I say 3rd Raikage can tank CT?
Haha are you serious? Oh my god, Wall of Fail shit right here dude.
Firstly, it wasn't one "small building" it was about 10 "small buildings".
Secondly we are talking about missiles here boy. You gonna say that because Nagato tanked paper tags that he tanks Deidaras bombs too? Get real.
Thirdly, even if he doesn't die he gets severely damaged and immobilized for a period of time (which I still doubt). But Nagato won't just stop there, he gets pulled and killed by soul rip or Asura cannon.
:lol
Funny how you say I need education on manga when you claim bull like this dude and haven't replied to my other points.
solorflare99
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Wow isn't Nagato Overrated?
They have a counter to everything he does and out number him.
Nagato isn't overcoming Their defence and his only defence is two things Preta and Shinra Tensei.
Shinra Tensei can be avoided through either defence or speed and Preta path is beat by Gaara's sand.
Targetting gaara isn't going to help much when he has the absolute defence and four other Kage have 4 other Kage.
His summoning can be easily dealt with by mei and tsunade while Onoki Gaara and A fight Nagato.
To fight 5 kage at once isn't an easy feat even by Nagato's standards.
They have a counter to everything he does and out number him.
Nagato isn't overcoming Their defence and his only defence is two things Preta and Shinra Tensei.
Shinra Tensei can be avoided through either defence or speed and Preta path is beat by Gaara's sand.
Targetting gaara isn't going to help much when he has the absolute defence and four other Kage have 4 other Kage.
His summoning can be easily dealt with by mei and tsunade while Onoki Gaara and A fight Nagato.
To fight 5 kage at once isn't an easy feat even by Nagato's standards.
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I never really understood how Nagato wins this.
Also doesn't CT's core get murked by super-jinton? Actually, I don't even think Onoki needs Tsunade.
Also doesn't CT's core get murked by super-jinton? Actually, I don't even think Onoki needs Tsunade.
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No they don't have a counter to everything he has plus Nagato has a counter to all their puny combo's. Nagato isn't overcoming their defense l0l what? Gaara's and Oonoki strongest defense barely managed against Madara Susanoo Magatama's. .
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. Preta path shits on Gaara's sand. Gaara sand is controlled via putting chakra inside the sand once the sand comes in- contact with Nagato the chakra gets sucked right out thus the sand falls down and is unable to be controlled here. Gaara defense doesn't even = a V4 Susanoo how dare you call the rubbish absolute. How are Mei and Tsunade going to best his summonings? Cerberus alone would give them hell. Chameleon could sneak up and swallow Mei whole. Tsunade punches are tanked via Cerberus and when it can split into multiple forms she gets gang raped. A FSST would end this battle.
CT isn't even needed here when FSST can get the job done rather easy.
Wait are you saying Nagato couldn't use ST before Ay hits .-.
Madara clearly visibly saw Ay coming before he actually hit :lol, he couldn't move the large and not so fast Susano'o is all.
Honestly if you think he's flat out blitzing him fast enough so that he can't use ST you're insane.
Madara clearly visibly saw Ay coming before he actually hit :lol, he couldn't move the large and not so fast Susano'o is all.
Honestly if you think he's flat out blitzing him fast enough so that he can't use ST you're insane.
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Feats? Though I don't expect any since:
1. None exist.
2. You would've posted some by now if you actually had something.
Lmao. Why must we lie about what happened in the Manga? Madara didn't move a muscle until after Ay hit him. Not to mention Madara is not Nagato. I do not know how many times I'm going to have to tell you people this before the message sinks in. Whether or not Madara who is far faster than Nagato in every way imaginable shouldn't be used as evidence that Nagato can react.
If you believe that Nagato can react to lightened V2 Ay's blitz, then get the reaction feats and I'll gladly agree. Until then, you literally have no point.
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You really show how much you know about the manga with this.
1. we have seen Gaara use defence better than what he used against Yasamagnata.
2. LOL did you even see the Madara vs 5 kage fight? Gaara shits on preta path. You are mistaken. You believe that Gaara has to infuse chakra in the sand to use the sand but that is incorrect. What you mean is that infusing chakra in the sand makes it stronger.
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3. Are the summonings kage level?
The only summoning that Mei and Tsunade don't fodderize is chameleon and Gaara can easily deal with that. The chameleon isn't getting close to mei if she has boil release mist around her and if she was "swallowed whole" she would wreck it from the inside. Tsunade is their, she can summon Katsuya and heal anyone who needs it. All this while Nagto has to worry about not being blitzed by A. 5 V 1 wouldn't go as smooth as you would think. He would be overwhelmed by them. Madara atleast had Susanoo and Hashirama level Mokuton, Nagato doesn't have enough.Super Shinra tensei has slow start up, more than enough time for them to defend and takes a lot of chakra and leaves him vulnerable.
Chibaku Tensei gets negged by Jinton.
Shinra tensei and Banshotenin gets countered by Sand and Weighted jutsu + chakra on their feet.
Ashura gets blocked by Sand and Doton.
Summoning gets beat by Lava release, Boil release, Sand sensing, super strength and jinton.
Human path is pretty much impossible to land, even if he got someone in his grasp anyone can interfere.
The kages have a medic.
Unless Nagato can take them out most to all at once he isn't winning.
He's not going to be 5 meters away :lol
Also prettty sure it was used again and Madara was able to turn around in time
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Why does Madara even need to react if he tanked it....he clearly didn't even bother moving after he saw him strike Mu.
He can ST right when Onoki gets on his back, and if their traveling towards Nagato he's going to get hit.
Nagato was in the manga for like 3 chapters and he easily was besting both KCM Naruto and Bee in reactions and everything else...and that's him not in charge of his own body.
ST is instant, with a faster attack and great reactions he shouldn't be getting blitzed by it.
Also while i'm quoting you, question what does Naruka path do in Nagato? Could it possibly heal him from certain wounds as it does with the paths?
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