Healthy Nagato vs 5 Kage

[KidGamer65]

And im stilll not fully convinced, no need to get so salty

I'm chill. It's just amazing how one can literally explain almost going into walls of text for you not to understand something that isn't that hard to understand to begin with. :lol

You are practically denying evidence at this point.

his shroud increases alll the capacities of his body
speed, durability and power,
raiton armor not increasing the power is just an assertion when we have seen

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, to use the full power of his lariat

Irrelevant. Since once again, the main power of his hit is not coming from the power boost his armor gives him. Not to mention false. Ay using V2 to do lariat=/=Ay gets a massive power boost or even a boost at all. The stronger the shroud the faster Ay moves and strikes, thus the harder he hits, regardless of whether or not he uses Shunshin. Defense and speed. That's all Raiton Armor does.

bees attacks power was only increased by the cloak, doesnt mean that without it there was no power at all when we all know that the power behind it is still coming from bees fist,

Irrelevant and false once again. How is the power coming from his fist when Lariat isn't an attack that uses the fist? :lol.

however after absorbing bees cloak,, the attack was completely nullified,
Ays shroud is just like a cloak, it gets absorbed as well and his attack is negated

Once again. No. The bulk of the force comes from the fact that B has his cloak on. Take away cloak=Take away bulk of damage. I don't how many times one has to repeat himself before you get the message.

But it did,
Bees lariat already has momentum which sent sasuke, Ay and kisame flying
yet against nagato it had no affect whatsoever, despite being used the exact same way,
and i certainly dont think that nagato has the capacity to tank bees lariat which shat on Kisame and even

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Who cares about what happened against Sasuke and Kisame? Instead of Nagato going flying, B hit him and Nagato responded with Preta Path and absorbed his cloak before anything could happen to him. Preta Path doesn't negate physical attacks. One of the silliest things I've heard today.

No the chakra cloak only enhances its power, his attack is still taijutsu,
take away the V2 chakra cloak and the lariat would have still been base bees,,which would have shat on nagato
but it didnt,

Baseless assumption, one that makes no sense since he's an Edo.

No its not

Yes it is.

reacting from 50m is nonsense? Lol what? not to mention that he doesnt even need to physically react, just mentallly

You've assumed that Ay would have to blitz from 50m when he can just close the gap and then blitz. Weren't you one of the people saying that lightened Ay blitzed Madara? :lol, now you are saying that Nagato can react? Smh.

at one point you are saying that bees attack failed because he relied on chakra and at the same time you are saying that ays attack would work just because he has more speed, you are contradicting yourself

If you were actually reading before you replied, you wouldn't be saying this. Ay's attack doesn't fail because the bulk of his attack's power does not come from his chakra cloak. B's does. The bulk of B's power comes from the cloak. The bulk of Ay's power comes from Onoki's jutsu. Not a hard concept to grasp.

--weighted boulder jutsu is also a chakra based atttack, (its doton), when that gets absorbed, the whole attack is moot since there is no chakra behind the attack

Do you even know how Preta Path works? Cause this is a Wall of Fail worthy quote. Absorb Weighted Boulder Jutsu? Smh. It being Doton means just about shit when it does not turn Ay's fist into chakra nor does it pump chakra into Ay's fist. He uses chakra to perform the jutsu, which then makes Ay's fist heavier. Unless Ay's fist is now made of chakra, absorbing it is not possible. Preta Path absorbs chakra, not physical hits. Why do I even have to explain this to you? Smh.

If I used your logic, I'd be saying that Preta Path absorbs Kamui because it uses chakra. :lol

--Ays fist is coated in chakra despite his fist actually doing the damage. no different from bee,

Wrong. If you were reading before you replied wouldn't be saying this.

--nagato activated preta after bee hit him, he didnt have to react, he didnt tank the attack and he didnt get sent flying,
again, it will be no different here

Can we stop comparing what happened against Nagato and Ay's attack? Two completely different attacks. Ay hit Madara's Susanoo and it was sent flying backwards how many meters? Yet somehow Nagato isn't sent flying and then he uses Preta Path? :lol. You make no sense. What happened with B's lariat is irrelevant because B's lariat is not the same as Ay's attack in any way besides the fact that it's a physical attack.

yet for some reason ays attack one shots, whilst the other canonically failed?

Because they are completely different. Anyone who can read the Manga knows this.

there is no timing, all it involves is a mental reaction to activate preta, unless you think that nagato cant even do that despite the starting distance being 50m?

Starting distance is irrelevant when Ay doesn't have to blitz from 50m. He can close the distance and blitz anytime he wants. Unless you have some real reaction feats from him and not this "he can sense so he can react" nonsense, he gets blitzed shitless.

he can take counter measures just how MS sasuke did by activating susanoo

If only he had a passive defense like Susanoo. :lol
If only Preta Path could absorb physical attacks.

why isnt there? its just like utilising a jutsu, its a chakra absorbing barrier




nagato can keep preta path on when hes within the range of blitzing, and still use jutsus like ST when he has shown to be able to use multiple paths at once

I'm going to need some scan here. Not like it's relevant since trying to use a chakra absorption technique on a physical attack is retarded. That's like Madara trying to absorb a punch from Tsunade using Preta Path. That is literally what you are saying.

or he just uses ST to repel them back, and can then go on flight and attack them long range

You mean ST? To react to a blitz? From Lightened V2 Ay?

:lol

btw i probably wont be replying afterwards, it will get way too long for my liking

It only gets long in arguments like these because I have to literally explain the simplest things in the greatest of detail. But whatever floats your boat.

 

[Unorthodox]

I'm chill. It's just amazing how one can literally explain almost going into walls of text for you not to understand something that isn't that hard to understand to begin with. :lol

You are practically denying evidence at this point.



Irrelevant. Since once again, the main power of his hit is not coming from the power boost his armor gives him. Not to mention false. Ay using V2 to do lariat=/=Ay gets a massive power boost or even a boost at all. The stronger the shroud the faster Ay moves and strikes, thus the harder he hits, regardless of whether or not he uses Shunshin. Defense and speed. That's all Raiton Armor does.



Irrelevant and false once again. How is the power coming from his fist when Lariat isn't an attack that uses the fist? :lol.



Once again. No. The bulk of the force comes from the fact that B has his cloak on. Take away cloak=Take away bulk of damage. I don't how many times one has to repeat himself before you get the message.



Who cares about what happened against Sasuke and Kisame? Instead of Nagato going flying, B hit him and Nagato responded with Preta Path and absorbed his cloak before anything could happen to him. Preta Path doesn't negate physical attacks. One of the silliest things I've heard today.






Baseless assumption, one that makes no sense since he's an Edo.



Yes it is.



You've assumed that Ay would have to blitz from 50m when he can just close the gap and then blitz. Weren't you one of the people saying that lightened Ay blitzed Madara? :lol, now you are saying that Nagato can react? Smh.



If you were actually reading before you replied, you wouldn't be saying this. Ay's attack doesn't fail because the bulk of his attack's power does not come from his chakra cloak. B's does. The bulk of B's power comes from the cloak. The bulk of Ay's power comes from Onoki's jutsu. Not a hard concept to grasp.



Do you even know how Preta Path works? Cause this is a Wall of Fail worthy quote. Absorb Weighted Boulder Jutsu? Smh. It being Doton means just about shit when it does not turn Ay's fist into chakra nor does it pump chakra into Ay's fist. He uses chakra to perform the jutsu, which then makes Ay's fist heavier. Unless Ay's fist is now made of chakra, absorbing it is not possible. Preta Path absorbs chakra, not physical hits. Why do I even have to explain this to you? Smh.

If I used your logic, I'd be saying that Preta Path absorbs Kamui because it uses chakra. :lol



Wrong. If you were reading before you replied wouldn't be saying this.



Can we stop comparing what happened against Nagato and Ay's attack? Two completely different attacks. Ay hit Madara's Susanoo and it was sent flying backwards how many meters? Yet somehow Nagato isn't sent flying and then he uses Preta Path? :lol. You make no sense. What happened with B's lariat is irrelevant because B's lariat is not the same as Ay's attack in any way besides the fact that it's a physical attack.




Because they are completely different. Anyone who can read the Manga knows this.





Starting distance is irrelevant when Ay doesn't have to blitz from 50m. He can close the distance and blitz anytime he wants. Unless you have some real reaction feats from him and not this "he can sense so he can react" nonsense, he gets blitzed shitless.




If only he had a passive defense like Susanoo. :lol
If only Preta Path could absorb physical attacks.



I'm going to need some scan here. Not like it's relevant since trying to use a chakra absorption technique on a physical attack is retarded. That's like Madara trying to absorb a punch from Tsunade using Preta Path. That is literally what you are saying.



You mean ST? To react to a blitz? From Lightened V2 Ay?

:lol



It only gets long in arguments like these because I have to literally explain the simplest things in the greatest of detail. But whatever floats your boat.

so are you saying the gofodder wins?

 

[Venomous Cobra]

Nagato would win high diff. CST ends this.

 

[KidGamer65]

so are you saying the gofodder wins?

Nagato probably does.

 

[Zexion~]

If preta is active and Ay tries to land a hit...the chakra will be absorbd before it reaches Nagato. Why is this being discussed? He'd be hit with a normal strike maybe but that's fodder.

 

[KidGamer65]

If preta is active and Ay tries to land a hit...the chakra will be absorbd before it reaches Nagato. Why is this being discussed? He'd be hit with a normal strike maybe but that's fodder.

A hit from Ay's weighted fist is fodder? Not to mention everything in this post has been addressed, so why are you even replying if you have nothing new to add? :lol

 

[LuckyMan]

I can't believe people are saying physical attacks don't work on Preta Path when the manga said only physical attacks work on someone with Preta Path.....

Pa states no ninjutsu works on Preta Path, so Naruto hits him directly.

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Madara states they need to hit him directly (Taijutsu) because ninjutsu is useless.

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Only physical attacks work on Madara, Taijutsu users, attack him.

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Then there's a scene where Madara absorbs Daruis Ranton.

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But next scene doesn't absorb Lees physical, Taijutsu attack despite Lee being shrouded in Kurama Cloak, abd was bisected, which would be same case for Ay in Raiton Cloak, as the cloak is not doing the damage, Lees powerful kick is.

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[KidGamer65]

I can't believe people are saying physical attacks don't work on Preta Path when the manga said only physical attacks work on someone with Preta Path.....

Pa states no ninjutsu works on Preta Path, so Naruto hits him directly.

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Madara states they need to hit him directly (Taijutsu) because ninjutsu is useless.

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Only physical attacks work on Madara, Taijutsu users, attack him.

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Then there's a scene where Madara absorbs Daruis Ranton.

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But next scene doesn't absorb Lees physical, Taijutsu attack despite Lee being shrouded in Kurama Cloak, abd was bisected, which would be same case for Ay in Raiton Cloak, as the cloak is not doing the damage, Lees powerful kick is.

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Lmfao, right. Ridiculous.

 

[Apêx1]

Too bad nobody has said physical attacks don't work on Nagato. Only chakra based physical attacks don't, and V2 Bee's Lariat is evidence of such.

 

[Unorthodox]

Too bad nobody has said physical attacks don't work on Nagato. Only chakra based physical attacks don't, and V2 Bee's Lariat is evidence of such.

ohhhhhh apex not playing

 

[Zexion~]

A hit from Ay's weighted fist is fodder? Not to mention everything in this post has been addressed, so why are you even replying if you have nothing new to add? :lol

If its weighted how is he even moving quick enough to catch Nagato?

 

[KidGamer65]

If its weighted how is he even moving quick enough to catch Nagato?

The same way he caught the much faster Madara.

 

[Zexion~]

The same way he caught the much faster Madara.

Link? :lol

Don't recall him ever catching him unless he was in Susano'o?

 

[KidGamer65]

Link? :lol

Don't recall him ever catching him unless he was in Susano'o?

He was in Susanoo, and he didn't react until he got hit. Unless Nagato reacts faster than Madara can react, there is no argument here.

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But I feel that you are still going to try and say Nagato can react despite Madara having issues following his speed. If so, I'd like to see the speed feats that prove that Nagato can react to a lightened V2 Ay. The fist isn't weighted until he hits the opponent.

 

[Unorthodox]

He was in Susanoo, and he didn't react until he got hit. Unless Nagato reacts faster than Madara can react, there is no argument here.

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But I feel that you are still going to try and say Nagato can react despite Madara having issues following his speed. If so, I'd like to see the speed feats that prove that Nagato can react to a lightened V2 Ay. The fist isn't weighted until he hits the opponent.

Umm Madara just stood there and did not try to counterattack that bad example is bad example

 

[KidGamer65]

Umm Madara just stood there and did not try to counterattack that bad example is bad example

More like he couldn't do anything. :lol

 

[Unorthodox]

More like he couldn't do anything. :lol

He could not do anything? what EMS can track Juubi jins movements yet cannot react to Onoki + Ay combo? the latter muu who is much slower with worse reaction then Madara was able to jump in the way

 

[KidGamer65]

He could not do anything? what EMS can track Juubi jins movements yet cannot react to Onoki + Ay combo? the latter muu who is much slower with worse reaction then Madara was able to jump in the way

It took Sasuke a while to adjust to Obito's movements. EMS doesn't automatically predict JJ movements. Mu only jumped in the way before Ay used Shunshin, once he did Mu himself got shit blitzed.

 

[Unorthodox]

It took Sasuke a while to adjust to Obito's movements. EMS doesn't automatically predict JJ movements. Mu only jumped in the way before Ay used Shunshin, once he did Mu himself got shit blitzed.

Madara has had his sharingan for years before he died Sasuke has his for like 3 days. the gap between Juubito and the latter is far greater then the time it took Sasuke to track him they not escaping EMS pre-cog regarless. The simple fact the muu had enough time to jump in the way is more then enough proof that Madara could have easily used a counter attack or try to put up a susanoo arm to block but he did not he clearly did not care about being hit.

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara has had his sharingan for years before he died Sasuke has his for like 3 days. the gap between Juubito and the latter is far greater then the time it took Sasuke to track him they not escaping EMS pre-cog regarless. The simple fact the muu had enough time to jump in the way is more then enough proof that Madara could have easily used a counter attack or try to put up a susanoo arm to block but he did not he clearly did not care about being hit.

So? It's completely irrelevant. Sasuke's EMS only grew to that level of precognition because he fought Juubito and got used to someone of his speed. Then there's the fact that even if he can mentally react, his Susanoo doesn't move as fast as he can mentally react, thus the blitz is still valid, but not a "Madara was blitzed with zero reaction" type feat.

Unless Nagato is close to Madara in reactions, this whole point is irrelevant.

Not to mention Madara had his EMS for less than a "few years" before he fought Hashirama and went into hiding. He got EMS, returned, fought Hashirama and got his ass whooped. Then Konoha was formed and they fought again, only for Madara to lose and never battle again until he was revived.