healthy nagato > madara

[Munboy]

since its so important for you to differentiate the forms of madara, edo madara at the height of his power which is the same power that hashirama beat said that only hashirama can beat him.

ems madara and edo madara have the same full power therefore any hype of hashirama beating madara in the past applies to edo madara.

EMS Madara and Edo Madara do not have the same powers; Edo Madara has the Rinnegan and Hashirama's powers in addition to EMS Madara's abilities.

What you're telling me is: Hashirama > EMS Madara therefore Hashirama > Madara with EMS + Hashirama's abilities + Rinnegan.

 

[TheSages456]

EMS Madara and Edo Madara do not have the same powers; Edo Madara has the Rinnegan and Hashirama's powers in addition to EMS Madara's abilities.

What you're telling me is: Hashirama > EMS Madara therefore Hashirama > Madara with EMS + Hashirama's abilities + Rinnegan.

no im telling you since both ems madara and edo madara have the same full power which is perfect susano which is a power greater than all of edo madaras new techs and hashirama beat it, he can beat any form of madara.

 

[Edo Odin]

any form of madara > any form of nagato.

Well that's not true :|

A young Nagato would beat the old guy we saw saving Obito

 

[BigBlade Master]

Edo Madara own the little Nagato no diff.

Madara is a god but Nagato is a demi-god, so Madara win.


Madara = strongest shinobi ever xd

 

[Munboy]

no im telling you since both ems madara and edo madara have the same full power which is perfect susano which is a power greater than all of edo madaras new techs and hashirama beat it, he can beat any form of madara.

Who says Perfect Susanoo is Madara's greatest jutsu now? When it was only capable of using his EMS as his max power, certainly. However now he has Hashirama's best abilities- which you say was enough to trump Madara's power. And on top of that the Rinnegan, a power that hasn't fully been explored.

 

[TheSages456]

Who says Perfect Susanoo is Madara's greatest jutsu now? When it was only capable of using his EMS as his max power, certainly. However now he has Hashirama's best abilities- which you say was enough to trump Madara's power. And on top of that the Rinnegan, a power that hasn't fully been explored.

edo madara flat out stated that his full power is perfect susano. this means that he doesnt have everything that hashirama has. whatever madara can do with the rinnegan cant compare to his and hashiramas full power. by feats he only has preta path and the meteor tech both of which already got fodderized by PS in canon therefore a power greater than PS which is hashiramas full power does the same.

 

[enditallsin]

Well.... nagato most certainly has the potential to defeat ems madara, Ps will just be absorbed by preta path, nagato can fly for air assaults, plus it it possible fro nagato to cancel out the slashes of PS with a powerful enough shinra tensei,so nagato has the potential...edo madara is a different story.

 

[Munboy]

edo madara flat out stated that his full power is perfect susano. this means that he doesnt have everything that hashirama has. whatever madara can do with the rinnegan cant compare to his and hashiramas full power. by feats he only has preta path and the meteor tech both of which already got fodderized by PS in canon therefore a power greater than PS which is hashiramas full power does the same.

He said he will respond with maximum power, not that this is his utmost limit. In other words he wasn't going to play around. When he's got Hashirama's best abilities and the Rinnegan (unexplored power) it is definite that he very likely has things that surpass Perfect Susanoo.

He's got Hashirama's DNA and has observed Hashirama's jutsu with the Sharingan and has been able to replicate them perfectly. That grants him Hashirama's powers including the ability to suppress Bijuu.

Feats, if you use feats then you're absolutely right. However the "feats" argument is flawed for many reasons, in this case it is making the presumption that Madara's abilities can't exceed another individuals despite having said individuals abilities and more.

 

[TheSages456]

He said he will respond with maximum power, not that this is his utmost limit. In other words he wasn't going to play around. When he's got Hashirama's best abilities and the Rinnegan (unexplored power) it is definite that he very likely has things that surpass Perfect Susanoo.

He's got Hashirama's DNA and has observed Hashirama's jutsu with the Sharingan and has been able to replicate them perfectly. That grants him Hashirama's powers including the ability to suppress Bijuu.

Feats, if you use feats then you're absolutely right. However the "feats" argument is flawed for many reasons, in this case it is making the presumption that Madara's abilities can't exceed another individuals despite having said individuals abilities and more.

@bold- that makes no sense and you know it. madara gets no stronger than perfect susano. PS is madaras strongest move currently and it was already beaten by hashirama in the past therefore none of madaras new weaker techs are on the scale to kill hashirama.

having mokuton=/=having mastery of it like the creator. thats all there is to it. a face worth of dna doesnt allow you to do everything that hashirama can. hashirama also has abilities that arent related to mokuton.

you are assuming that madara can do things that he hasnt done in canon. madara saying that PS is his full power and not what hashirama used to beat it goes against your argument of madara being capable of using all of hashiramas powers.

 

[Unorthodox]

madara>>>>>>any form of nagato