healthy nagato > madara

[Kira was Righteous]

Nagato would beat him

 

[Fanta]

No. Madara > Nagato.

 

[Unorthodox]

Not really. Gedo Mazo > perfect susanoo, it's got the durabilty of the juubi which easily stopped the alliance's wind jutsu which arguably has more cutting power than ps sword. Madara can simply be taken out of perfect susanoo with bansho tenin and perfect susanoo can be absorbed with petra path. Shinra tensei also blocks ps' attacks and could either destroy or at least send ps away with a powerful version. Finally chibaku tensei destroys him.

NONO gedo mazo is fodderized by ps talking about juubi witch body look likes its made out deidara clay thing that fought sasuke on anime 1 sword makes giant shockwave nagato shira 5 seconds is more than enough time to kill him when he has 5 more sword with the same destuctive power lmao alliace wind better than ps no he was about 300 feet away in it cut 2 mountains in half close range or long gedo is raped

 

[KidGamer65]

Not really. Gedo Mazo > perfect susanoo, it's got the durabilty of the juubi which easily stopped the alliance's wind jutsu which arguably has more cutting power than ps sword. Madara can simply be taken out of perfect susanoo with bansho tenin and perfect susanoo can be absorbed with petra path. Shinra tensei also blocks ps' attacks and could either destroy or at least send ps away with a powerful version. Finally chibaku tensei destroys him.

Gedo Mazo doesn't have the Juubi's durability, when it transformed all of its stats most likely went up, it wouldn't make sense for them to stay the same, besides PS Sword Slash and that wind jutsu have very different attack types, PS if it doesn't cut it will have a smashing effect, just like how it smashed that mountain, that kind of effect. A wind jutsu only has a cutting effect. Nagato isn't getting close enough to Perfect Susanoo to absorb it, not when its shockwaves cut moutains. He doesn't even need to get close to him. Shinra Tensei has a 5 second interval. PS has 2 swords that can be swung at extremely fast speeds, if Nagato blocked one blast with Shinra Tensei the second one would hit him. Madara summons 100% Kyuubi to take on the Mazo and CT is blown up by Kyuubi's TBB or Multiple PS Sword Slash Shockwaces.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Gedo Mazo doesn't have the Juubi's durability, when it transformed all of its stats most likely went up, it wouldn't make sense for them to stay the same, besides PS Sword Slash and that wind jutsu have very different attack types, PS if it doesn't cut it will have a smashing effect, just like how it smashed that mountain, that kind of effect. A wind jutsu only has a cutting effect. Nagato isn't getting close enough to Perfect Susanoo to absorb it, not when its shockwaves cut moutains. He doesn't even need to get close to him. Shinra Tensei has a 5 second interval. PS has 2 swords that can be swung at extremely fast speeds, if Nagato blocked one blast with Shinra Tensei the second one would hit him. Madara summons 100% Kyuubi to take on the Mazo and CT is blown up by Kyuubi's TBB or Multiple PS Sword Slash Shockwaces.

You contradict yourself, and it's also clear the sword has a cutting effect, like wind jutsu's.

Nagato can Bansho Tenin'n or use rocket boosted movement via Asura Path. He can and will get close.

 

[TheSages456]

kishi-only hashirama can defeat madara.

fanboys-i want nagato to beat madara even though the manga disagrees.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

kishi-only hashirama can defeat madara.

fanboys-i want nagato to beat madara even though the manga disagrees.

Kishi said that through a character, it's not Kishi's words, its the characters. Much like if 10 year old Naruto said he could kill any Hokage, by your logic Kishi said that so it's true.

Also Madara never saw Nagato mature so his opinion is even more bias

you love to big up your bwig bwoi Hashiwama don't you

 

[TheSages456]

Kishi said that through a character, it's not Kishi's words, its the characters. Much like if 10 year old Naruto said he could kill any Hokage, by your logic Kishi said that so it's true.

Also Madara never saw Nagato mature so his opinion is even more bias

you love to big up your bwig bwoi Hashiwama don't you

Amplitude-serious statements about the final villain are meant to be disregarded even though its clear that they hold water due to his status in the manga.

kishi-dumbass:sy:

 

[KidGamer65]

You contradict yourself, and it's also clear the sword has a cutting effect, like wind jutsu's.

Nagato can Bansho Tenin'n or use rocket boosted movement via Asura Path. He can and will get close.

No I don't contradict myself, the sword has clearly shown a type of smashing/cutting hybrid effect.

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Its direct hit smashed through that meteor and the surrounding rubble, while its shockwave made a clear cut through the mountain tops. The wind jutsu that was mentioned only has a cutting effect.

Rocket Boosted movement? No. When PS can cause that much damage in one sword slash, with such a big area of effect, Nagato isn't getting anywhere near PS, if he tries to get close it swings its sword and he gets damaged and sent flying back by the shockwave.

 

[Cpt Long Schlong]

Amplitude-serious statements about the final villain are meant to be disregarded even though its clear that they hold water due to his status in the manga.

kishi-dumbass:sy:

Serious statements made by the final villain*

Are you reading the right manga? Or addressing different posts?

It's worrying that you are the only one on the base, of over 20,000 active members that can't see the blindingly obvious. I feel sorry for you man, I'll leave so you can hold your head up high with your "leaving because he can't counter" statements, as you usually do. Even though everything you've ever posted about Hashi/Madara has been disproved by every member on the base at least 3 times

 

[TheSages456]

Serious statements made by the final villain*

Are you reading the right manga? Or addressing different posts?

"only hashirama can defeat madara" is what is written is kishis manga so i will follow that. only one person is stated to be able to defeat madara and its not nagato. i will follow what kishi writes.

 

[Midday]

Gedo Mazo doesn't have the Juubi's durability, when it transformed all of its stats most likely went up, it wouldn't make sense for them to stay the same, besides PS Sword Slash and that wind jutsu have very different attack types, PS if it doesn't cut it will have a smashing effect, just like how it smashed that mountain, that kind of effect. A wind jutsu only has a cutting effect. Nagato isn't getting close enough to Perfect Susanoo to absorb it, not when its shockwaves cut moutains. He doesn't even need to get close to him. Shinra Tensei has a 5 second interval. PS has 2 swords that can be swung at extremely fast speeds, if Nagato blocked one blast with Shinra Tensei the second one would hit him. Madara summons 100% Kyuubi to take on the Mazo and CT is blown up by Kyuubi's TBB or Multiple PS Sword Slash Shockwaces.

Actually it would make sense for it to have the same durability as Gedo mazo is just the Juubi's body, unless remove chakra from a human makes it loose durability.

A smashing effect is a lot less effective than the cutting effect of wind in Naruto.

Nagato not getting close is your assumption. He can use the chameleon to go invisible, use deva path to fly and assura path to make him faster or fly on his bird summon. Or simply drag Madara out of susanoo with bansho tenin.

Shinra tensei having the same flaw as deva path is also an assumption, Naruto stated all Nagato's attacks were faster and stronger than the paths. Also he wouldn't have time to consecuatively swing if he was blown away with a strong shinra tensei.

The Kyuubi tried to destroy ct before and failed because it missed the small interval where it could be destroyed. It also wouldn't have time to form one of the larger tbb's. It took a regular tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo to destroy a barely covered core, I don't think it's fragile enough to get destroyed by a sword swing.

 

[Munboy]

kishi-only hashirama can defeat madara.

fanboys-i want nagato to beat madara even though the manga disagrees.

You're misinterpreting.

Kishimoto said, through a character, that only Hashirama can beat EMS Madara. This character was significant because he had knowledge on all the main players except Nagato. Meaning Nagato's still open for debate; Nagato had no global reputation. So if a knowledgeable makes that, then it excludes Nagato as their knowledge would be based on shinobi reputation. But if someone like Shikaku said that - who was around for Nagato's invasion - then it would've had meaning.

The manga never disagreed. The manga would suggest Nagato has a decent shot seeing as the Rinnegan is one of the tools that allows you to stand up to another Rinnegan user.

Of course one thing to consider is Madara is EMS + Rinnegan + Mokuton w/ more i.e. Madara + Nagato + Hashirama. Madara is now the three of the strongest people in one. :O

 

[TheSages456]

You're misinterpreting.

Kishimoto said, through a character, that only Hashirama can beat EMS Madara. This character was significant because he had knowledge on all the main players except Nagato. Meaning Nagato's still open for debate; Nagato had no global reputation. So if a knowledgeable makes that, then it excludes Nagato as their knowledge would be based on shinobi reputation. But if someone like Shikaku said that - who was around for Nagato's invasion - then it would've had meaning.

The manga never disagreed. The manga would suggest Nagato has a decent shot seeing as the Rinnegan is one of the tools that allows you to stand up to another Rinnegan user.

Of course one thing to consider is Madara is EMS + Rinnegan + Mokuton w/ more i.e. Madara + Nagato + Hashirama. Madara is now the three of the strongest people in one. :O

actually kishi made his characters say that only hashirama can beat madara when edo madara was on the battlefield. when kishi says multiple times that only hashirama can beat madara, its obvious that he isnt just putting it in his manga for no reason. kishi has knowledge on every character in his manga. all statements stand unless contradicted.

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually it would make sense for it to have the same durability as Gedo mazo is just the Juubi's body, unless remove chakra from a human makes it loose durability.

A smashing effect is a lot less effective than the cutting effect of wind in Naruto.

Nagato not getting close is your assumption. He can use the chameleon to go invisible, use deva path to fly and assura path to make him faster or fly on his bird summon.

Shinra tensei having the same flaw as deva path is also an assumption, Naruto stated all Nagato's attacks were faster and stronger than the paths. Also he wouldn't have time to consecuatively swing if he was blown away with a strong shinra tensei.

The Kyuubi tried to destroy ct before and failed because it missed the small interval where it could be destroyed. It also wouldn't have time to form one of the larger tbb's. It took a regular tbb, rasenshuriken and Itachi's susanoo to destroy a barely covered core, I don't think it's fragile enough to get destroyed by a sword swing.

You can't compare how a Human body works to how the Juubi's body works. The Mazo got knocked down on the ground by Bee, Kakashi, Guy and Naruto. The 1st stage Juubi tanked a combined TBB from Bee and Naruto and didn't even flinch.

The smashing effect can push the Mazo backward since I'm pretty sure you can't cut it.

Sharingan can see chakra, so I'm pretty sure he can see Nagato and/or the Chameleon's chakra. Deva Path's ability to "fly" is simply levitation, I don't think it allows for high speed movement. Asura Path won't work either, as Madara's PS Sword Swings area of effect is large enough to make up for Nagato's speed.

1 slash of the sword and the Kage were sent flying backwards., with the range of the slash Nagato won't be able to get close enough without getting blown back by the shockwave.

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Yeah, faster as in, his jutsu execute faster than when he used them through Pain, that doesn't mean that the interval is gone.

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in a few seconds. Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to say a few words before launching their attacks at it. This TBB is far bigger than the one Bee made during the Edo Nagato fight, it will definitely be enough to destroy the core.

 

[Midday]

You can't compare how a Human body works to how the Juubi's body works. The Mazo got knocked down on the ground by Bee, Kakashi, Guy and Naruto. The 1st stage Juubi tanked a combined TBB from Bee and Naruto and didn't even flinch.

The smashing effect can push the Mazo backward since I'm pretty sure you can't cut it.

It's a fair comparison, you don't gain durability from just adding chakra to the body in the Narutoverse. The Mazo was in the middle of transforming so it was vulnerable, also I don't remember when that happened but that example doesn't show why the Juubi's durability isn't the same.

Sharingan can see chakra, so I'm pretty sure he can see Nagato and/or the Chameleon's chakra. Deva Path's ability to "fly" is simply levitation, I don't think it allows for high speed movement. Asura Path won't work either, as Madara's PS Sword Swings area of effect is large enough to make up for Nagato's speed.

1 slash of the sword and the Kage were sent flying backwards., with the range of the slash Nagato won't be able to get close enough without getting blown back by the shockwave.

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Chameleon thing, agreed. Call it levitation but he gets from A to B airborne, he can also use Assura path in conjunction with the levitation. Couldn't he use chakra to latch onto something or block with a shinra tensei.

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Yeah, faster as in, his jutsu execute faster than when he used them through Pain, that doesn't mean that the interval is gone.

Esentially the same thing, being faster to execute shinra tensei implies a lower cooldown, also 5 seconds isn't that long to start with and he's not deva path where that's the only thing he can do so any cooldown wouldn't be seen unless Madara alone can continuously attack to see that cooldown, which I don't think he would get the opportunity as Nagato has 5 other paths which may be used simultaneously.

Kurama was able to make

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in a few seconds. Itachi, Naruto and Bee had time to say a few words before launching their attacks at it. This TBB is far bigger than the one Bee made during the Edo Nagato fight, it will definitely be enough to destroy the core.

Last time Kurama tried it he went with a quickfire of regular tbb's he's most likely going to repeat it and get caught in the sphere, which can be made bigger than when the 8 tails was struggling out of it.

 

[UchihaInza]

Madara wins very high diff..it might even turn tables and Nagato wins who nows??would be a good fight though ..Uchiha Inza

 

[KidGamer65]

It's a fair comparison, you don't gain durability from just adding chakra to the body in the Narutoverse. The Mazo was in the middle of transforming so it was vulnerable, also I don't remember when that happened but that example doesn't show why the Juubi's durability isn't the same.

It isn't, The Mazo transformed when it got its chakra back, Humans in NV don't transform when they add chakra to their bodies. (Unless they are using some special form)

Chameleon thing, agreed. Call it levitation but he gets from A to B airborne, he can also use Assura path in conjunction with the levitation. Couldn't he use chakra to latch onto something or block with a shinra tensei.

Levitation is slow, that gives Madara plenty of time to knock him out of the air. And I don't see the point in using Asura Path plus levitation when Asura Path by itself will create the same effect. He could probably block one slash, but another one will immediately follow as he as like 2 swords.

Esentially the same thing, being faster to execute shinra tensei implies a lower cooldown, also 5 seconds isn't that long to start with and he's not deva path where that's the only thing he can do so any cooldown wouldn't be seen unless Madara alone can continuously attack to see that cooldown, which I don't think he would get the opportunity as Nagato has 5 other paths which may be used simultaneously.

No, being faster to execute his jutsu as in the lag time between his order and the execution of the order is faster than when he used something like that or its how fast the jutsu happen, but it doesn't imply a lower cooldown, as a cooldown has nothing to with the speed of the jutsu. Madara's PS has two swords, so that's 2 swings at a time. PS sword slashes have been shown to be incredibly fast. Madara will surely be able to strike once more during the interval, the rest of Nagato's paths have no way of helping him defend from its attack.

Last time Kurama tried it he went with a quickfire of regular tbb's he's most likely going to repeat it and get caught in the sphere, which can be made bigger than when the 8 tails was struggling out of it.

That was a rampaging Kurama, this Kurama is being controlled by Madara so he will start off with something that will annihilate the sphere in one shot.

 

[Munboy]

actually kishi made his characters say that only hashirama can beat madara when edo madara was on the battlefield. when kishi says multiple times that only hashirama can beat madara, its obvious that he isnt just putting it in his manga for no reason. kishi has knowledge on every character in his manga. all statements stand unless contradicted.

Factor in Dan's knowledge. Does Dan know Madara has Hashirama's abilities and the Rinnegan? Does Dan know Nagato existed?
Kishimoto has knowledge on all characters, but Dan doesn't. All statements stand, but it is subject to the character's knowledge.

What we're meant to take from that EMS Madara was so strong that only Hashirama could beat him; now Madara's even stronger.

 

[TheSages456]

Factor in Dan's knowledge. Does Dan know Madara has Hashirama's abilities and the Rinnegan? Does Dan know Nagato existed?
Kishimoto has knowledge on all characters, but Dan doesn't. All statements stand, but it is subject to the character's knowledge.

What we're meant to take from that EMS Madara was so strong that only Hashirama could beat him; now Madara's even stronger.

since its so important for you to differentiate the forms of madara, edo madara at the height of his power which is the same power that hashirama beat said that only hashirama can beat him.

ems madara and edo madara have the same full power therefore any hype of hashirama beating madara in the past applies to edo madara.