[VS] Healthy Itachi(MS) vs Mobile Nagato(Rinnegan)

[assface3]

1. It was actually Madara after he revived to seal inside himself the ten tails. 2. I never said that Nagato has to seal the juubi inside his body, simply summon like the "Accidents" that he's done when he was a teenager...I'm pretty sure that Nagato can use some sort of powerful genjutsu on the juubi, almost as obito used on Karuma when HE was also a teenager...Yeah i know throwing out the juubi is a last resort but the resort must be something that has a possibility on happening.

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1. I was talking about this.

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2. Nothing in the manga suggests that Nagato possessed genjutsu powerful enough to control a Bijuu, let alone the Ten Tails. Unlike the Sharingan, the Rinnegan has no genjutsu feats.

 

[Haizaki]

Nagato destroys him

 

[Scryed]

I'll go with Nagato

 

[UnwntdHouseG]

1. I was talking about this.

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2. Nothing in the manga suggests that Nagato possessed genjutsu powerful enough to control a Bijuu, let alone the Ten Tails. Unlike the Sharingan, the Rinnegan has no genjutsu feats.

I admit defeat:yeah:

 

[ARGUS]

Been done several times
Nagato wins this mid diff

 

[enditallsin]

Wait you're giving nagato his mind and his mobility nagato takes no diff

 

[AlphaScythian]

Wait you're giving nagato his mind and his mobility nagato takes no diff

And nagato was a speedster beyond sharingan precog skills?

OT. Ima side with itachi.
No known counter for genjutsu from nagato.
Totsuka either not chakra based either one can always create a opening for chakra based attack.

 

[VongolaX]

1. I was talking about this.

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2. Nothing in the manga suggests that Nagato possessed genjutsu powerful enough to control a Bijuu, let alone the Ten Tails. Unlike the Sharingan, the Rinnegan has no genjutsu feats.

You need a strong enough Outer path to tame a bijuu (chakra chain leash)

That's what it takes for a rinnegan to tame a bijuu, but you're right that Nagato can't use such genjustu feat or an outer path of bijuu levels.

That's strictly for Uchih/Senju rinnegan users...

 

[adeshina365]

Nagato wins with mid-high difficulty.

 

[enditallsin]

And nagato was a speedster beyond sharingan precog skills?

OT. Ima side with itachi.
No known counter for genjutsu from nagato.
Totsuka either not chakra based either one can always create a opening for chakra based attack.

His mobility so he can dodge attacks dude,and nagato doesn't get hit with any genjutsu because of his sensory skills will sense itachi's build up,so no surprises.

 

[VongolaX]

His mobility so he can dodge attacks dude,and nagato doesn't get hit with any genjutsu because of his sensory skills will sense itachi's build up,so no surprises.

Amatersu when being used builds up pressure, the air changes around them.

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He can't sense genjustu, that's just some made up fan-fiction ability.

Also Itachi has the ability to bypass any sensory skills/technique:

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[eagle8]

nagato extreme diff

 

[LustyLover]

Where was it said that Itachi was suffering from his illness during Part One?



Itachi did not cast Koto Amatsukami.

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. That was how he designed KA to be used. Not to mention the mere fact that

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(which always happens whenever Amaterasu is used) and

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implies that he was going to make Itachi use Amaterasu before his control over him got overridden with KA. Therefore that does not invalidate Nagato's feat of sensing Amaterasu.




1. The summons can avoid his eyes too.
2. Where is your proof that Nagato would fall under a genjutsu being attempted on his summon?



If said summons were looking at his eyes, which they won't be since Nagato knows not to do that. And in the event that a summon does fall for genjutsu, Nagato simply cancels the summon.




Wrong. Sasuke was healthy, and he still suffered from the effects of using Susano'o constantly.




Lol. You do realize that small ball is the same one that

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under the pressure of

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? There is no way Chibaku Tensei's core is fragile enough to be destroyed by something that couldn't even take out a cave ceiling.



Which wouldn't do crap since Yasaka Magatama doesn't even have feats of taking out anything hill-sized, whereas the core of Chibaku Tensei survives after having mountains of rubble smashed into it and an 8 tailed bijuu breaking out of it.



Nagato blasts back the sword with Shinra Tensei and lets Gedo Mazo do its work.

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before taking him out with soul dragons.

There is zero proof that Kabuto was going to have Itachi use Amaterasu. Yes, the crow was designed to be cast on Sasuke, but Itachi was the one to summon it out from inside of Naruto. Itachi casted it on HIMSELF instead. He changed the way he designed KA to be activated so he could break out of Kabuto's control. HE used KA, and while he did, Nagato thought it was Amaterasu, which means Nagato CANNOT predict which jutsu Itachi will use.

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So yes, it does invalidate his feat.

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- This really made me laugh. If summons could avoid eye contact, how the hell did Obito and Madara control Kurama? How did Manda get controlled by Sasuke to sacrifice his own life?

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And yeah, they will be looking at him and his eyes. That's the whole POINT of the summons, for Nagato to have second eyes. Too bad it'll only backfire for him !

- Sasuke was already near blind at that point. After his fight with Danzo and get destroyed by the 5 Kage, he immediately had to go in hiding and transplant Itachi's eyes for fear of losing light completely.

- Obviously you need to rewatch the making of Nagato and or Pain's CT. When he did it, the rubble went up slowly and coated the core BEFORE he started to increase the gravitational pull massively. He wouldn't of conciously done this if he wasn't aware of the core's defenselessness.

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Not to mention that a mobile, alive Nagato will be literally sacrificing almost all his chakra in this attempt. Yasaka Magatama are used to slice and pierce through things, and at the velocity and speed at which they are thrown, PLUS the gravitational pull of the CT, he'd most certainly slice through it. Itachi even stated that the core is the weakest, most defenseless point of the jutsu.

- Either you're blind or incredibly slow. Do you know how big a mountain is? LOL, go back to school.

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This mountain literally goes from the ground all the way up to the sky. Are you trying to say that his CT is the size of Mount Everest? You're overestimating its size.

- Nagato blasts his sword back with ST? Ok, great. I hope you realize that once he does that he can't do so again until five seconds pass. In that duration, what stops him from going back to pierce it again or, for that matter, Nagato himself? . Again, Itachi is the second best teleporter next to Shisui. Hanzo, an old man, escaped from the Gedo Mazo's soul dragons by just teleporting. Itachi's MENTOR was Shisui the TELEPORTER. If he doesn't pierce the Gedo or Nagato, he merely teleports elsewhere and then resumes his attack.

- Are you forgetting that after summoning the Gedo Mazo Nagato is going to have about 20 huge poles sticking out of his back and spine? He'll be DISABLED. He'll be completely unable to move. Why do you think he was sitting in a chair for most of his life after his battle with Hanzo? Why do you think he made puppets instead of actually fighting? Once he summons the Gedo Mazo, Itachi could EASILY seal him with the Sakegari since he cannot dodge it. I'll repeat it again... if Nagato uses ST to blast his sword back, there's a five second interval where Itachi could simply pierce him again. Or he could go for Nagato himself, since he's vulnerable.

Oh, did I forget to mention that Itachi can just use Izanagi for Chibaku Tensei if he wanted to? Not to mention that since KA is restricted and not the whole of Shisui's eye, he could still implant it to still have his full MS arsenal or use it to use Izanagi again without going blind. I bet a half-dead panting Nagato with a dozen sticks hanging out of his back will be surprised when Itachi suddenly materializes behind him with Izanagi and chops his head off.


I laughed at each and every inaccuracy in your post, which is to say, the whole thing

 

[Nocturnal Beast]

This battle could go either way but still I think Itachi has a higher chance of winning this since he is healthy and has potential.

 

[Braiyan]

There is zero proof that Kabuto was going to have Itachi use Amaterasu.

You know, besides Itachi's eye bleeding, which always happens before Amaterasu is cast, and Kabuto wondering what the hell was going on the very next page. But keep on ignoring that.

Yes, the crow was designed to be cast on Naruto, but Itachi was the one to summon it out from inside of him. Itachi casted it on HIMSELF instead. He changed the way he designed KA to be activated so he could break out of Kabuto's control. HE used KA, and while he did, Nagato thought it was Amaterasu, which means Nagato CANNOT predict which jutsu Itachi will use.

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So yes, it does invalidate his feat.

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- This really made me laugh. If summons could avoid eye contact, how the hell did Obito and Madara control Kurama? How did Manda avoid getting controlled by Sasuke to sacrifice his own life?

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And yeah, they will be looking at him and his eyes. That's the whole POINT of the summons, for Nagato to have second eyes. Too bad it'll only backfire for him !

Irrelevant. Nagato controls his summons. Therefore he can make his summons attack Itachi whilst avoiding his eyes.

- Sasuke was already near blind at that point. After his fight with Danzo and get destroyed by the 5 Kage, he immediately had to go in hiding and transplant Itachi's eyes for fear of losing light completely.

The state of Sasuke's MS eyes are irrelevant to whether Susano'o pains him or not. He complained about the pain of maintaining just the ribcage whilst he was fighting Mei, and he was in so much pain against Danzo that his Susano'o reverted to a lower stage. Therefore Itachi will be in pain if he uses Susano'o constantly (so much pain it'll cause him to revert from its higher levels), which he needs in order to defend against Nagato's attacks.

- Obviously you need to rematch the making of Nagato and or Pain's CT. When he did it, the rubble went up slowly and coated the core BEFORE he started to increase the gravitational pull massively. He wouldn't of conciously done this if he wasn't aware of the core's defenselessness.

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Irrelevant anime interpretations of a scene are irrelevant.

Not to mention that a mobile, alive Nagato will be literally sacrificing almost all his chakra in this attempt.

Lol. An emaciated, crippled Nagato used Chibaku Tensei after wreaking havoc in Konoha with all 6 of his Paths, flattening Konoha with Chou Shinra Tensei, fighting Sage Naruto and his toads, blasting his toads outside of Konoha, and fighting Kyuubi Naruto. You know what his response was to 8 Tailed Naruto breaking out of his ball?

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Even after all of that, he still had enough chakra to fight Sage Naruto again with Deva Path, use Shinra Tensei (including the extended version used on Naruto's clones) more than once, attempt to control Naruto's chakra with chakra rods, and bring back the lives of all those he killed in Konoha.

And you're seriously going to tell me that a healthier version of that same Nagato using one Chibaku Tensei is going to use up almost all of his chakra? Lol.

Yasaka Magatama are used to slice and pierce through things,

And still haven't shown penetrative power anywhere near what would be needed to destroy Chibaku Tensei's core.

- Either you're blind or incredibly slow. Do you know how big a mountain is? LOL, go back to school.

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This mountain literally goes from the ground all the way up to the sky. Are you trying to say that his CT is the size of Mount Everest? You're overestimating its size.

Chibaku Tensei is so large that it dwarves all the clouds and the mountains in the background. Yasaka Magatama has failed to breach a cave ceiling.

Besides that, what exactly are you trying to prove with that Mount Everest pic? Do mountains in the Narutoverse need to be as large as the largest mountain on Earth to classify as one?

- Nagato blasts his sword back with ST? Ok, great. I hope you realize that once he does that he can't do so again until five seconds pass. In that duration, what stops him from going back to pierce it again or, for that matter, Nagato himself? .

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, and the fact that a mobile Nagato can move.

- Again, Itachi is the second best teleporter next to Shisui.

Shisui was famed for his Shunshin, which is high speed movement. He does not teleport.

- Hanzo, an old man, escaped from the Gedo Mazo's soul dragons by just teleporting.

After it killed all of his men. Also, Shunshin =/= teleportation.

- Are you forgetting that after summoning the Gedo Mazo Nagato is going to have about 20 huge poles sticking out of his back?

Only because Nagato summoned it with no chakra stored inside it. If it has tailed beast chakra inside of it, then Nagato could use it in much the same way Obito has.

- Oh, did I forget to mention that Itachi can just use Izanagi for Chibaku Tensei if he wanted to?

Resulting in him losing 2 MS techniques and one eye whilst still being at risk to being drawn into Chibaku Tensei's gravitational pull if he uses Izanagi before the ball is completely formed.

- Not to mention that since KA is restricted and not the whole of Shisui's eye, he could still implant it to still have his full MS arsenal or use it to use Izanagi again without going blind.

Why are we assuming that Itachi has the crow at all? Or that he can use the crow's eye for Izanagi without implanting it in his own head first?

Even if he does have to implant it in his head, he still has to take out the crow, take out Shisui's eye from the crow, take out his useless eye, and implant Shisui's eye all whilst being attacked by Nagato. And there's still the possibility that he'll still have to wait before the eye is useable, as is what happened when Sasuke transplanted Itachi's eyes.

- I bet a half-dead panting Nagato with a dozen sticks hanging out of his back will be surprised when Itachi suddenly materializes behind him with Izanagi and chops his head off.

Assuming a Tail Beast filled Gedo Mazo affects him the same way it did when it was summoned without Tailed Beasts, Nagato is still a sensor, he can sense where Itachi will appear, and can defend himself with Asura Path arms, ST (if it's not on cooldown), an Animal Path summon, or just use Gedo Mazo to block/punch him away/

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Assuming it doesn't, all of the above applies along with the fact that Nagato can move out of the way due to being fully mobile.

 

[LustyLover]

You know, besides Itachi's eye bleeding, which always happens before Amaterasu is cast, and Kabuto wondering what the hell was going on the very next page. But keep on ignoring that.

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Irrelevant. Nagato controls his summons. Therefore he can make his summons attack Itachi whilst avoiding his eyes.




The state of Sasuke's MS eyes are irrelevant to whether Susano'o pains him or not. He complained about the pain of maintaining just the ribcage whilst he was fighting Mei, and he was in so much pain against Danzo that his Susano'o reverted to a lower stage. Therefore Itachi will be in pain if he uses Susano'o constantly (so much pain it'll cause him to revert from its higher levels), which he needs in order to defend against Nagato's attacks.




Irrelevant anime interpretations of a scene are irrelevant.




Lol. An emaciated, crippled Nagato used Chibaku Tensei after wreaking havoc in Konoha with all 6 of his Paths, flattening Konoha with Chou Shinra Tensei, fighting Sage Naruto and his toads, blasting his toads outside of Konoha, and fighting Kyuubi Naruto. You know what his response was to 8 Tailed Naruto breaking out of his ball?

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Even after all of that, he still had enough chakra to fight Sage Naruto again with Deva Path, use Shinra Tensei (including the extended version used on Naruto's clones) more than once, attempt to control Naruto's chakra with chakra rods, and bring back the lives of all those he killed in Konoha.

And you're seriously going to tell me that a healthier version of that same Nagato using one Chibaku Tensei is going to use up almost all of his chakra? Lol.




And still haven't shown penetrative power anywhere near what would be needed to destroy Chibaku Tensei's core.



Chibaku Tensei is so large that it dwarves all the clouds and the mountains in the background. Yasaka Magatama has failed to breach a cave ceiling.

Besides that, what exactly are you trying to prove with that Mount Everest pic? Do mountains in the Narutoverse need to be as large as the largest mountain on Earth to classify as one?

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, and the fact that a mobile Nagato can move.



Shisui was famed for his Shunshin, which is high speed movement. He does not teleport.



After it killed all of his men. Also, Shunshin =/= teleportation.




Only because Nagato summoned it with no chakra stored inside it. If it has tailed beast chakra inside of it, then Nagato could use it in much the same way Obito has.




Resulting in him losing 2 MS techniques and one eye whilst still being at risk to being drawn into Chibaku Tensei's gravitational pull if he uses Izanagi before the ball is completely formed.



Why are we assuming that Itachi has the crow at all? Or that he can use the crow's eye for Izanagi without implanting it in his own head first?

Even if he does have to implant it in his head, he still has to take out the crow, take out Shisui's eye from the crow, take out his useless eye, and implant Shisui's eye all whilst being attacked by Nagato. And there's still the possibility that he'll still have to wait before the eye is useable, as is what happened when Sasuke transplanted Itachi's eyes.




Assuming a Tail Beast filled Gedo Mazo affects him the same way it did when it was summoned without Tailed Beasts, Nagato is still a sensor, he can sense where Itachi will appear, and can defend himself with Asura Path arms, ST (if it's not on cooldown), an Animal Path summon, or just use Gedo Mazo to block/punch him away/

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Assuming it doesn't, all of the above applies along with the fact that Nagato can move out of the way due to being fully mobile.

I literally countered everything you already said in my comments beforehand. And I said he could "teleport" because that's what it looks like to the eye, and his mentor was called Shisui the Teleporter. You're just spouting useless nonsense at this point. You're denying everything with opinionated, biased statements or false panels that aren't even relevant to my objections at all. Not even going to bother to respond unless you make your answer actually make sense.

 

[Braiyan]

I literally countered everything you already said in my comments beforehand. And I said he could "teleport" because that's what it looks like to the eye, and his mentor was called Shisui the Teleporter. You're just spouting useless nonsense at this point. You're denying everything with opinionated, biased statements or false panels that aren't even relevant to my objections at all. Not even going to bother to respond unless you make your answer actually make sense.

So in other words you can't refute my arguments and have resorted to calling it nonsense instead. Concession accepted.

 

[LustyLover]

So in other words you can't refute my arguments and have resorted to calling it nonsense instead. Concession accepted.

Not a concession, but an exasperation.

I already refuted everything you said and, yes, it is nonsense, because I already stated with manga and anime evidence that everything you said was false.

 

[LustyLover]

You know, besides Itachi's eye bleeding, which always happens before Amaterasu is cast, and Kabuto wondering what the hell was going on the very next page. But keep on ignoring that.
So, to you, Nagato can only predict what jutsu Itachi is going to cast by seeing whether or not his eye bleeds? Genius!

Irrelevant. Nagato controls his summons. Therefore he can make his summons attack Itachi whilst avoiding his eyes. Nagato controls his summons only if Itachi permits it. Itachi was able to control a Dragon Sage who trained at the legendary Ryuchi Cave. I think he can control a bird and a dog. I already supplied evidence that Itachi can do so in the previous comments and panels. If you care to ignore that, it's not my problem.

The state of Sasuke's MS eyes are irrelevant to whether Susano'o pains him or not. He complained about the pain of maintaining just the ribcage whilst he was fighting Mei, and he was in so much pain against Danzo that his Susano'o reverted to a lower stage. Therefore Itachi will be in pain if he uses Susano'o constantly (so much pain it'll cause him to revert from its higher levels), which he needs in order to defend against Nagato's attacks.

Probably one of the stupidest comments I've read thus far. The state of a Sharingan user's eyes has all the relevancy in the WORLD. Sasuke had JUST gotten his MS and had literally NO idea how to use it. He went up against the 5 Kage and thensome, so how can you not expect him, a new MS Sharingan user, to feel pain? He was even surprised that he felt it.

Irrelevant anime interpretations of a scene are irrelevant. Another example of you stating subjective beliefs with zero evidence behind them Gj!

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Yasaka Magatama are used to slice and pierce through things,
And still haven't shown penetrative power anywhere near what would be needed to destroy Chibaku Tensei's core.
Yasaka Magatamas have shown to be able to nearly pierce Gaara's sand gollum, a techinque used by the second greatest defense user in the anime and manga period. If it can do that it could easily pierce something the size of a tennis ball.

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- Either you're blind or incredibly slow. Do you know how big a mountain is? LOL, go back to school.

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This mountain literally goes from the ground all the way up to the sky. Are you trying to say that his CT is the size of Mount Everest? You're overestimating its size.
Chibaku Tensei is so large that it dwarves all the clouds and the mountains in the background. Yasaka Magatama has failed to breach a cave ceiling.

Besides that, what exactly are you trying to prove with that Mount Everest pic? Do mountains in the Narutoverse need to be as large as the largest mountain on Earth to classify as one?
The actual CT is approximately the size of a tennis ball, not multiple mountains (LOL). Only after its done does it look bigger than the background, according to you. The thing is, it only looks that big because it's IN the sky, not the ground, which everything else already is. And yeah, some mountains in Naruto are just as big as Everest

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- Nagato blasts his sword back with ST? Ok, great. I hope you realize that once he does that he can't do so again until five seconds pass. In that duration, what stops him from going back to pierce it again or, for that matter, Nagato himself? .
That, and the fact that a mobile Nagato can move.
The Gedo Mazo was only able to do that after having the combined power of 8-9 Tailed Beasts. If that was the case, I'm sure the creator of this thread would of named it Nagato and all the Tailed Beasts in the Naruto universe vs Itachi, instead of just this title. Besides, the Gedo Mazo is being controlled by Nagato. Nagato will be left vulnerable when over 20 massive poles simultaneously stab Nagato in the spine. When Itachi sees that happening, he'll immediately seal Nagato with the Sakegari, or pierce the Gedo. If Nagato blocks it with ST, he just goes again quickly before the Gedo is even fully summoned. Nagato will be in such pain that he won't be able to react at all. And yeah, a MOBILE Nagato can move, but a Nagato who summons the Gedo? Not even close. That's what made him unable to walk for his whole entire life.

Resulting in him losing 2 MS techniques and one eye whilst still being at risk to being drawn into Chibaku Tensei's gravitational pull if he uses Izanagi before the ball is completely formed. Why are we assuming that Itachi has the crow at all? Or that he can use the crow's eye for Izanagi without implanting it in his own head first?

Even if he does have to implant it in his head, he still has to take out the crow, take out Shisui's eye from the crow, take out his useless eye, and implant Shisui's eye all whilst being attacked by Nagato. And there's still the possibility that he'll still have to wait before the eye is useable, as is what happened when Sasuke transplanted Itachi's eyes. I'm assuming Itachi has the crow because he has demonstrated the ability to summon the crow with Shisui's eye at will in the anime and manga. Also, he doesn't need to fight Nagato and implant it. He can simply Shunsin no Jutsu himself a distance away and transplant it then. It'll take Nagato a bit to find him since he'll teleport quite a distance away, even if he is a sensor. The eye doesn't take that long to activate. Obito had it implanted in Kakashi and seconds later he was able to use it to fight his opponents. It won't take Itachi, an experienced Uchiha, a long time at all to have it up and running. Overall Itachi will not be losing any jutsu by using Izanagi, because he already has a spare. And when he does use Izanagi, Nagato would of already thought that he was stuck in the CT. He'd end the pull of the gravitational force completely, and if he doesn't, Itachi will just reappear behind him because of Izanagi and just assassinate him from behind. Even though Nagato's a sensor, he won't be doing any sensing because he'd think Itachi is dead. Once Nagato's dead or at least injured, the CT's gravitational force would end.



Nothing Nagato has can pass the Yata Mirror. He can't even react to the Amaterasu in time, mobile or not. Itachi controls his whole entire summoning arsenal. Oh, did I forget to mention that Itachi can use his crow Shunshins also to read all of Nagato's movements from a distance/and or the sky? Itachi can break Nagato's visual link (already demonstrated in the anime and manga) while Itachi is the one having a visual link with his crows. That plus his precognitive skills, Nagato isn't catching him off guard.

 

[genii96]

You need a strong enough Outer path to tame a bijuu (chakra chain leash)

That's what it takes for a rinnegan to tame a bijuu, but you're right that Nagato can't use such genjustu feat or an outer path of bijuu levels.

That's strictly for Uchih/Senju rinnegan users...

Nagato has both uchiha/senju in him.

OT: nagato wins