Having Kurama isn't what makes Naruto special

[Bronze]

half of these he didnt use the kyuubi and he was not in a life or death situation

half of them was naruto nearly going to be killed and kyuubi saved him like haku and pain.

point is naruto owes the kyuubi, he is nothing/weakening if it wasn't for kyuubi.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

Without sharingan Sasuke has..... Chidori

He doesn't even have that, he needs sharingan to avoid tunnel vision

 

[illidanson]

I agree completely.

And don't forget the fact that Naruto uses just about 2/3 of his chakra to maintain The Nine-Tails Seal. If he didn't have that he could still be Sage Naruto with 3 times as much chakra!! That'd should definitely make him top 15.

On the other hand if you took away not only Sasukes sharingan he'd be much, much weaker. He could barely beat Deidara with ordinary sharingan. Without that I doubt he would even be in the top 30.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

half of them was naruto nearly going to be killed and kyuubi saved him like haku and pain.

point is naruto owes the kyuubi, he is nothing/weakening if it wasn't for kyuubi.

Naruto doesn't owe Kurama anything. Kurama has hurt Naruto as well as help him. Naruto's skills are significant without Kurama as well.

 

[xcoyote]

Kurama owns Naruto as much Naruto does to Kurama.Without Naruto Kurama would have been Obitos or Madaras personal b1tch and at this point Juubis puzzle piece.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

Look, why is this even relevant, he has Kurama, that's the end of it. Naruto as a story relies on his relationship with Kurama, without Kurama, the story doesn't exist so there is no precious Sasuke to wank over. If Kurama wasn't there, Naruto would get some other source of power. Regardless, what the OP said was correct, Naruto naturally has high reserves and the longevity and endurance to house a bijuu, and what is this rubbish about not being able to control chakra, we saw him doing it better than Minato, the creator of the rasengan a few chapters ago.

Without Kurama the story would be different, so everything we say is hypothetical. Taking Kurama from him now is pointless, because most of his training has been aimed at controlling it, without it, he would have learned other things. Naruto learned a B rank jutsu in a number of hours without any help at all, Sasuke at the same point couldn't even say that. This argument is stupid, Naruto is the main character, arguments like this are irrelevant and just plain dumb.

 

[Bronze]

Naruto doesn't owe Kurama anything. Kurama has hurt Naruto as well as help him. Naruto's skills are significant without Kurama as well.

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lol. naruto was a failure ever since he was born. he had no talent, big talk, known as loser and who made the village see naruto as hero? kyuubi and that was in since pain's invasion.

naruto would have been killed against haku if it wasn't for kyuubi so your points are invalid. naruto is shit without kyuubi.

 

[Transcendence]

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lol. naruto was a failure ever since he was born. he had no talent, big talk, known as loser and who made the village see naruto as hero? kyuubi and that was in since pain's invasion.

naruto would have been killed against haku if it wasn't for kyuubi so your points are invalid. naruto is shit without kyuubi.

You're pathetic. Go wank Madara somewhere else and make stubborn theory threads that half the time are incorrect.

 

[Renpatsu Dei]

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lol. naruto was a failure ever since he was born. he had no talent, big talk, known as loser and who made the village see naruto as hero? kyuubi and that was in since pain's invasion.

naruto would have been killed against haku if it wasn't for kyuubi so your points are invalid. naruto is shit without kyuubi.

A failure who couldn't graduate the academy yet learned a Jonin level tech in a couple of hours, made loads and beat a chunin without the help of the Kyuubi or anyone for that matter. Anyway, Sasuke would have been dead too because Naruto and the Kyuubi had to save his ass too.

 

[sharingansennin]

Some Sasuke fanboys will go to unreal lengths to derail Nartuo's feats to make Sasuke look better. When people say anyone would be as strong Naruto if they had Kurama as well. However, the manga clearly states otherwise.

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It's very clear that it's not common to have someone to be compatible with a tailed beast. Also, Naruto trained to use Kurama's chakra, so there is skill involved.

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Also, some people actually claim that Naruto requires Kurama for SM. I'm not even joking. #82

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The above scan clearly proved that Naruto has immensely high chakra reserves, and that and a strong will is what's required for SM. Also, Naruto did comply with Yamato's suggestion.

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Since Naruto didn't have fox eyes or red chakra during training, he didn't have Kurama's support for SM.

This is so obvious that it doesn't need an explanation. However, the bashing is getting out of hand.

Naruto w/o kyubbi would be poweful but something i think you don't understand is that he went through all his training with it, having enormous chakra reserves far greater than anyone else so he could train a technique hell maybe 10 times more than the average shinobi. Look at Naruto fight Neji he needed the fox chakra, he needed it vs gaara for all the clones, he needed it in most of his fights. Rather than Sasuke he wasn't a genius he didn't get things very easily and while i believe jiraya would have taught him sage mode much sooner i don't believe naruto would of surpassed sasuke right now.

 

[Nous]

Naruto is strong.. Naruto, without Kyūbi attained and perfected Sennin Modō which has only been mastered by one/two others (Hashirama/Kabuto) which is quite the feat. However, what makes Naruto Top 10 Material right now is Bijū Modō which is something he attained due to Kurama, however Naruto masterfully utilizes the Kyūbi Chakūra. Having a sole reason why you are Top 10 is not a bad thing.. Hashirama is only that strong due to Mokuton. Sasuke and Itachi due to Mangekyō, Minato due to Hirashin, Orochimaru due to Edo Tensei.. Naruto is special due to his Will-Power and his Uzumaki Ancestry.

 

[Atalaya]

Naruto without fox and Sasuke without eyeballs?
Just who cares, it's there own shit let them have it.
Why discuss who will be weaker/stronger without something that they just have?
They have it and it's part of their power, there is no Naruto without Kyuubi and there is no Sasuke without Sharingan.
I agree for the most part of the post.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Naruto without fox and Sasuke without eyeballs?
Just who cares, it's there own shit let them have it.
Why discuss who will be weaker/stronger without something that they just have?
They have it and it's part of their power, there is no Naruto without Kyuubi and there is no Sasuke without Sharingan.
I agree for the most part of the post.

I'm just pointing out that he's not a skilless noob when he uses Kurama. It requires massive chakra and skill to do what he's doing.