[Discussion] Have your opinions of Sasuke changed after 694?

[Mugiwara kun]

in a way, I do like Sasuke's way of thinking but he's method is poor. I do believe Naruto will be the kind of person that gives a murderer a second chance will Sasuke will deal with them straight away.Imo, how will Sasuke killing the kages start a war? Yeah,at first they will be pissed and fight but how do they beat him? Every strong character will be dead as at that time and pls, don't mention The Konoha 11,they're are all fodders compared to Naruto and Sasuke. Anyways,they are both right.They need to find the right balance to achieve peace.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

in a way, I do like Sasuke's way of thinking but he's method is poor. I do believe Naruto will be the kind of person that gives a murderer a second chance will Sasuke will deal with them straight away.Imo, how will Sasuke killing the kages start a war? Yeah,at first they will be pissed and fight but how do they beat him? Every strong character will be dead as at that time and pls, don't mention The Konoha 11,they're are all fodders compared to Naruto and Sasuke. Anyways,they are both right.They need to find the right balance to achieve peace.

I think the people would rather be dead than live under a **** like Sasuke.

I still think neither of them should be hokage, and that someone like Shikamaru should. Both Naruto and Sasuke are totally irrational in their views and beliefs.

 

[Meowazziel]

No. He's supposedly intelligent but he has the same mindset that Naruto had before Itachi lectured him.

Exactly. Sasuke still has a lot to learn.

You don't have to agree with him or like his intentions.
Though,to a certain degree it makes sense.

The hate continues to get passed on from one to another sasuke is breaking the cycle and taking it all in by himself.
He is taking the heat so to speak.


Madara Obito unintentionally got the five nations together just like they wanted but,not under the same pretense they imagined.

Sasuke is willingly having them come together and letting them take their hated out on him and not each other.


I get it.
Don't really care for his approach but it does make sense.

How does it make sense?
It is totally unrealistic. If anything it makes nearly zero sense.

He bases his goals on Itachi. That is his rolemodel of someone who should have been Kage, yet Itachi admitted that his (Itachi's) ways were wrong. That you cant shoulder it all on your own. That it will make you lose sight of what is important. It will make you blind basically and that is what is currently going on with Sasuke.

Ironically, Sasuke is the ''eyes''. But he is ''blind'' and ''cant see straight'' anymore. Figuratively in the first place of course. Sasuke bases his current goals on a failed concept.
Sasuke is incredibly unstable as well compared to Itachi.

Itachi failed, but was able to see his mistakes and understand why he failed. Partly by learning from the past and understanding why Madara failed.
Sasuke is basically trying to do execute a worse version of Itachi's path, yet is not able to see why he is wrong and why he will fail. He has seen Madara fail as well. Sasuke is not learning from the past.

Starting somewhere when he was a kid, Sasuke started to be consumed with darkness.
Darkness makes you blind. You cant see straight in darkness.
Sasuke is not in balance with himself and his surroundings, unlike Naruto.
Not that people are perfect or that perfection exist, should exist or that someone should strave to be perfect, but anyway, Naruto is quite a balanced person. It helps a lot in making the right decisions and SEE what can help.
Like learning from the past. Using the past as something positive, including the bad things that have happened as well.
and seeing light in darkness that has happened as well basically.

There was a time when Naruto still quite some important things to learn as well. Not that he is done learning (who is?), but he is among the more balanced people in the series.

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Meanwhile Naruto has matured more and Sasuke still has to understand and learn such lessons. Which he cant do right now, in his unstable state, which makes him, as said, blind.

So yeah my opinions of Sasuke have changed.
He has become more messed up than I thought he was.
I dont know how much what has happened throughout his life is responsible for it, if he was born a more vulnerable person and how much he could have done differently. Anyway, he is lost and maybe Naruto can punch some sense in him and make him see, what he doesnt see atm.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Exactly. Sasuke still has a lot to learn.
How does it make sense?
It is totally unrealistic. If anything it makes nearly zero sense.

He bases his goals on Itachi. That is his rolemodel of someone who should have been Kage, yet Itachi admitted that his (Itachi's) ways were wrong. That you cant shoulder it all on your own. That it will make you lose sight of what is important. It will make you blind basically and that is what is currently going on with Sasuke.

Ironically, Sasuke is the ''eyes''. But he is ''blind'' and ''cant see straight'' anymore. Figuratively in the first place of course. Sasuke bases his current goals on a failed concept.
Sasuke is incredibly unstable as well compared to Itachi.

Itachi failed, but was able to see his mistakes and understand why he failed. Partly by learning from the past and understanding why Madara failed.
Sasuke is basically trying to do execute a worse version of Itachi's path, yet is not able to see why he is wrong and why he will fail. He has seen Madara fail as well. Sasuke is not learning from the past.

Starting somewhere when he was a kid, Sasuke started to be consumed with darkness.
Darkness makes you blind. You cant see straight in darkness.
Sasuke is not in balance with himself and his surroundings, unlike Naruto.
Not that people are perfect or that perfection exist, should exist or that someone should strave to be perfect, but anyway, Naruto is quite a balanced person. It helps a lot in making the right decisions and SEE what can help.
Like learning from the past. Using the past as something positive, including the bad things that have happened as well.
and seeing light in darkness that has happened as well basically.

There was a time when Naruto still quite some important things to learn as well.

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Meanwhile Naruto has matured more and Sasuke still has to understand and learn such lessons. Which he cant do right now, in his unstable state, which makes him, as said, blind.

So yeah my opinions of Sasuke has changed.
He has become more messed up than I thought he was.
I dont know how much what has happened throughout his life is responsible for it, if he was born a more vulnerable person and how much he could have done differently. Anyway, he is lost and maybe Naruto can punch some sense in him and make him see, what he doesnt see atm.

The thing about Naruto is that his views and goals are quite unrealistic as well. They're literally the two extremes on the spectrum.

What i think you made a great point about is that Sasuke has shown from this chapter that has has had pretty much no character development. While I hate both characters and think their beliefs are ****ing stupid and unrealistic, Naruto's at least developed over the course of the series and has continuously molded his belief system. While I think a lot of that has made him a far worse character, at least he's trying to do things the way he feels is right. Whereas Sasuke is still the whiny emo shit who thinks he's alone despite all the love and care and support he got from the people from Konoha, and he's clearly learned nothing.

+ rep to your post, it was really well done.



I'm really surprised we haven't seen many Sasuke fanboys comment yet.

 

[Meowazziel]

The thing about Naruto is that his views and goals are quite unrealistic as well. They're literally the two extremes on the spectrum.

What i think you made a great point about is that Sasuke has shown from this chapter that has has had pretty much no character development. While I hate both characters and think their beliefs are ****ing stupid and unrealistic, Naruto's at least developed over the course of the series and has continuously molded his belief system. While I think a lot of that has made him a far worse character, at least he's trying to do things the way he feels is right. Whereas Sasuke is still the whiny emo shit who thinks he's alone despite all the love and care and support he got from the people from Konoha, and he's clearly learned nothing.

+ rep to your post, it was really well done.

Thanks.

Naruto used to have unrealistic views, but has continuously molded his belief system as you said.
He has done this for the better as well. He improved throughout the series in about every way.
You still find his believes unrealistic nowadays? Why exactly?

Basically his way is not giving up.
Where in the past he thought he could do it all alone (unrealistic), he has learned that he cant and matured a lot.
He has gained a lot more acceptance about himself (embracing the dark Naruto at the waterfall of truth) and others.
He has gained more believe in himself, but especially in others.
He has learned to not let himself be consumed by hatred, but how to stop cycles of hatred (especially by befriending Kurama). He befriended Nagato too. He befriended Obito.
These people have played a huge part in the death of many people that Naruto loved, yet he befriended them eventually.

When Naruto falls, he will eventualy step up again (also with the help of others, due to letting them help him and believing in them) and not stop walking towards goals that make the world and his life a better place. He will not get lost of that path.

There is no formula for peace or a better world. The only thing you can do is believing in yourself and others and to not give up. Even if you fall, which can be perfectly understanble, you have to eventually get up somehow. You have to adapt and not give up and become lost. Maybe you could call that a formula though.
This can be incredibly hard or seem impossible in some circumstances, but what other option is there?

The So6P was a ****ing idiot for giving Sasuke that power, the sage is just such a naive fool, and an overall disappointing character. Oh, and he's still around this chapter >.>

I like your thread. It gives a good discussion.

I dont think that the sage was an idiot though. I do believe that he was lost in the sense, that he didnt know what would make things right anymore. Not due to being lost in darkness though. He tries to learn from the past.

In the past, giving only Ashura power, didnt work out and the sage felt that giving his power to both Indra and Ashura would be a better solution. So this time he gave it to both Sasuke and Naruto.
Even though it seems at first that this doesnt work out either, it can actually still work out.
If Naruto can change Sasuke for the better and that is something the sage believes Naruto can do.
According to the sage, he see's something different in Naruto than the previous hosts of Ashura.

So the sage Hagoromo tries to learn from the past and see the differences in the present as well, which he lets take
part in his decision. He see's something important in Naruto, in this latest host of Ashura.

He believes in Naruto and that Naruto can change that which requires change.
Naruto was able to change Kurama, who had become the embodyment of hatred.

Love can breed hatred, but the sage believes that this hatred can be changed again to love.
That is also what Naruto experienced throughout his life.

The sage left both his powers in this world. He didnt give them all to Naruto, but distributed them among Naruto and Sasuke.
I dont think Naruto could have changed Sasuke if Naruto was given only the body powers and Sasuke nothing or Naruto both the body and eye powers and Sasuke nothing.

That would not have worked out I believe.

 

[ultraChalk]

But it really doesn't. Why would people want to follow someone they hate? They'd immediately start rebelling, and you'd get another war. If Sasuke's going to take a hate filled role, it should be a Danzo-esque role where he does his shit through the shadows, and bear the darkness in that regard. Sasuke is just so irrational in his thinking, ti's ****ing ridiculous. And even after hearing all that bullshit, the So6P still decided to give him all that power? Like seriously?

thus why he said 'i now have the power to do this' so that he can stop a war before it began

 

[Darth Uchiha]

I think he intends to unite the world in their hatred of him, the best way to do that would be to kill their savior, Naruto.

 

[Jnaru]

His reasoning is total BS

 

[flyboyissac]

It was very surprising that Sasuke considers Naruto his boyfriend

 

[WalksInShadows]

I'm really surprised we haven't seen many Sasuke fanboys comment yet.

i'm not surprised, because the chapter confirmed what many already thought: that all of this was simply him looking for attention.

 

[Ultimateone]

i said it plenty of times, sasuke is an idiot. his ideals make no sense. his way won't bring peace at all, it will just bring more war. to be honest, almost nothing he said made any sense, at least in his views on how to change them.

 

[Trea]

Both sides are unrealistic and both sides are extreme and on the opposite side of the spectrum, but I guess that is the point of this fight. They will have to realize that both of these ways are needed to make a better system and they will have to step away from the extreme and work toward the center.

At some point they have to realize that they have to adjust their ideals and work together to have a system that will work for everyone. I guess they will have to beat it into each other and realize that neither one of them is strong enough to kill the other so the option is working together or completely giving up your ideals.

 

[Meowazziel]

Both sides are unrealistic and both sides are extreme and on the opposite side of the spectrum, but I guess that is the point of this fight. They will have to realize that both of these ways are needed to make a better system and they will have to step away from the extreme and work toward the center.

At some point they have to realize that they have to adjust their ideals and work together to have a system that will work for everyone. I guess they will have to beat it into each other and realize that neither one of them is strong enough to kill the other so the option is working together or completely giving up your ideals.

I wouldnt say that Naruto's ideals are to extreme.
What makes them extreme according to you?

Naruto already quite moved towards the center. He is kinda balanced compared to others in this series.
Not that he is done learning though, but i wouldnt say that he is on the opposite side of a spectrum (he used to be though).

 

[Ansatsuken]

Sasuke think he can handle all of the darkness that happen. But the truly is, he is booking a future problem, I think he is to fragile to handle it's all, same as Madara also. This world need a leader that can lead but also very rational in thinking.

Human can change so sudden if the pressure is to high to handle by they self

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Sasuke think he can handle all of the darkness that happen. But the truly is, he is booking a future problem, I think he is to fragile to handle it's all, same as Madara also. This world need a leader that can lead but also very rational in thinking.

Human can change so sudden if the pressure is to high to handle by they self

It's kinda hilarious, but Sasuke's become a huge mashup between Danzo and Madara. Hell, if he wanted darkness so badly, he should've let Danzo stay as hokage rather than killing the guy. Sasuke's just a damn fool.

 

[SagemodejubihostSasuke]

Yall are really stupid, I find it funny though on how Kishi stole Code geass idea.

On serious note how do you know the village life will be bad or good?
Sasuke is forcing the hate to him so no more obitos and Madaras or other villainous ways.

If Sasuke was to beat and kill Naruto who is going to stop him? Lets be honest....


Sasuke Ideals are obviously flawed that why Naruto and him needs to become a equality.

Naruto Ideals are also a bit flawed thus why I say a equality needs to happen to make a nation of love.

People take this manga to serious lol insulting a character because of Kishi writing him not the other way around lol
Ohh this is why I don't log in anymore.

 

[aGuyNamedQuest]

I wanted to do a little thread about this, as this has been a big talking point for a while now. A lot of people like and respect Sasuke because he has a more realistic view of the world than Naruto. People had theories and beliefs of what a hokage is, and I'm curious as to what you guys think after reading what his goals are.

Persnoally, I've thought he's an irrational fool for a while now, and 694 cemented that belief even further. People say he's a realistic character, but what kind of realism involves people following leaders they hate? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Sasuke is so irrational and blind to what's going on. He talks about how he was all alone, and ignores all the love and support of everyone in Konoha. When people say Sasuke's emo, I think that comment is pretty much proof of that. Sasuke's whole belief system just makes no sense at all. In all honesty, Sasuke's beliefs are very similar to Danzo's, and we all know how he turned out. You need darkness to work with the light, and that's what Sasuke should be, but that darkness shouldn't be the face of the village.

Sasuke's a ****ing idiot if he thinks killing all the kage will do him any good. If anything, it will cause the people to rebel against him, as the kage are loved and cherished by their villages, they aren't these corrupt autocrats who destroy their villages and let the people starve et al. It's like does Sasuke even have his head on straight? Does he not see that the people have feelings too, and that not everything will go his way? Sasuke acts like such a spoiled brat wtih this attitude that everything will go his way because he feels it's right.

And it's just so frustrating how Sasuke has all this power, and he, correctly so, talks about how his power gives him the ability to make his goals become reality. The So6P was a ****ing idiot for giving Sasuke that power, the sage is just such a naive fool, and an overall disappointing character. Oh, and he's still around this chapter >.>

I know I'm rambling a bit here, i'm curious if you guys are still on the Sasuke bandwagon if you were there before or if you hopped off after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, or if you weren't on the Sasuke bandwagon after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, but decided to hop on or stay off?

My thoughts always will remain that Sasuke needs to die and be with his brother. Just let the Uchiha become one happy family in the afterlife. They have fought and suffered enough . . .

 

[so12p]

No, not at all. He still wants to kill people and dictate his will. All 694 confirmed is that he does not care if he is hated doing it.

EDIT: My opinion of the SO6P did change, however. You did not ask, but I have a lesser opinion of the character now.

 

[Flaming Amaterasu]

No. He's supposedly intelligent but he has the same mindset that Naruto had before Itachi lectured him.

Naruto believes in fantasies, Itachi believes in realism and lectured naruto, not Sasuke, of what a kage is. Anyways Naruto is naive, Sasuke is faithless, this is what happens when your world comes crashing down and when you have been lied to your whole life (Sasuke) and this is also what happens when you think you know the answer to things (Naruto)

 

[NotAFanBoy]

I wanted to do a little thread about this, as this has been a big talking point for a while now. A lot of people like and respect Sasuke because he has a more realistic view of the world than Naruto. People had theories and beliefs of what a hokage is, and I'm curious as to what you guys think after reading what his goals are.

Persnoally, I've thought he's an irrational fool for a while now, and 694 cemented that belief even further. People say he's a realistic character, but what kind of realism involves people following leaders they hate? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Sasuke is so irrational and blind to what's going on. He talks about how he was all alone, and ignores all the love and support of everyone in Konoha. When people say Sasuke's emo, I think that comment is pretty much proof of that. Sasuke's whole belief system just makes no sense at all. In all honesty, Sasuke's beliefs are very similar to Danzo's, and we all know how he turned out. You need darkness to work with the light, and that's what Sasuke should be, but that darkness shouldn't be the face of the village.

Sasuke's a ****ing idiot if he thinks killing all the kage will do him any good. If anything, it will cause the people to rebel against him, as the kage are loved and cherished by their villages, they aren't these corrupt autocrats who destroy their villages and let the people starve et al. It's like does Sasuke even have his head on straight? Does he not see that the people have feelings too, and that not everything will go his way? Sasuke acts like such a spoiled brat wtih this attitude that everything will go his way because he feels it's right.

And it's just so frustrating how Sasuke has all this power, and he, correctly so, talks about how his power gives him the ability to make his goals become reality. The So6P was a ****ing idiot for giving Sasuke that power, the sage is just such a naive fool, and an overall disappointing character. Oh, and he's still around this chapter >.>

I know I'm rambling a bit here, i'm curious if you guys are still on the Sasuke bandwagon if you were there before or if you hopped off after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, or if you weren't on the Sasuke bandwagon after hearing his goals and beliefs and such, but decided to hop on or stay off?

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I'm not going to try to tell you that Sasuke's plan is right because his way of doing things seems wrong. However at the moment he would still be a better hokage than naruto

Why?

It's simply because he actually has some kind of a plan/idea of the things he will do once he becomes hokage. Some of them are fairly precise too.

What about Naruto? Does he have ANY plan on what he will do once he becomes hokage?

Big fat NO! He hust wants to be hokage because 'it was his dream'