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Itachi better than Hashirama? By age 7 Itachi was thinking like a Hokage. By age 7 Hashirama was in war. Why even try to compare a lonely Uchiha to the creator of the strongest village?
I'm not comparing them.. I pointed out why Itachi is a bad matchup
he could win against itachi easily (he fought 24 hours against madara and is still standing while itachi spent maybe 2 hours against sasuke) he'd have to finish the fight quick in order to win. Hashirama has bringer of darkness jutsu so he has a good understanding of genjutsu xd

bringer of darkness is nowhere close to tsukuyomi and Madar's fighting style is ninjutsu based
while Itachi one-shots his opponents with genjutsu
Mokuton clones? Seriously? When has Hashirama ever jumped into a battle with his clones? Itachi usually puts people into Genjutsu at the beginning. xD So....
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why would he start the fight with clones
he doesn't have knowledge
he heard about 2 sentences from Sasuke
that's all U_U

Why?


Because in his last fight with an Uchiha, he won with the use of a clone.


Because Madara himself praised Hashirama's Mokuton clones and how useful they were, and how he was the only one who was ever able to see through them(even though he failed to in the end), using them himself and avoiding defeat at the hands of the Kage.

Did you see Madara make a clone?


Your fantasy is just a fantasy, and a stupid and unrealistic one at that.



It is Hashirama's greatest weapon. It is how he defeated Madara. And that is his answer to any Genjutsu or Ninjutsu in the world!
 

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Itachi better than Hashirama? By age 7 Itachi was thinking like a Hokage. By age 7 Hashirama was in war. Why even try to compare a lonely Uchiha to the creator of the strongest village?

Hashirama:

- Age 7 was in war.
- Fought in wars his whole early life.

Itachi:
- Traumatized by Third World War and witnesses slaughter at the age of 4.
- Hokage level wisdom by age 5.
- Genin at age 7.
- Sharingan mastered at age 8. (So he unlocked three tomoe at that age)
- Chuunin exam passed at age 10.
- Becomes ANBU leader at 13.

Itachi was nothing like Hashirama's opponents. Madara is the closest but I'm talking about in terms of Genjutsu using opponents.
 

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Why?


Because in his last fight with an Uchiha, he won with the use of a clone.


Because Madara himself praised Hashirama's Mokuton clones and how useful they were, and how he was the only one who was ever able to see through them(even though he failed to in the end), using them himself and avoiding defeat at the hands of the Kage.

Did you see Madara make a clone?


Your fantasy is just a fantasy, and a stupid and unrealistic one at that.



It is Hashirama's greatest weapon. It is how he defeated Madara. And that is his answer to any Genjutsu or Ninjutsu in the world!

if it was a clone then performing Hashi's ultimate tech means that
either that clone had more chakra that the original
or
he can use 1000hands clones but I doubt it
 

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last time he didn't start the fight with clones

And this invalidates the fact that he's a long range fighter because???

chances of Tsukuyomi landing are low with no knowledge. With knowledge on it though his chances of landing it are probably zero.
 

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if it was a clone then performing Hashi's ultimate tech means that
either that clone had more chakra that the original
or
he can use 1000hands clones but I doubt it

You ill-informed noobster, Shinsu-Senju is a SAGE MODE technique!

Which means he utilizes Sage chakra and not his own! And regardless, Hashirama's chakra levels are insane anyway.

You don't know shit about the manga and are such an obvious Itachi wanker. Now please, for your own sake, shut the F up!
 

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And this invalidates the fact that he's a long range fighter because???

chances of Tsukuyomi landing are low with no knowledge. With knowledge on it though his chances of landing it are probably zero.
Hashi has no knowledge on it so the blue part will be ignored
and without knowledge he has no reason to avoid eye contact

You ill-informed noobster, Shinsu-Senju is a SAGE MODE technique!

Which means he utilizes Sage chakra and not his own! And regardless, Hashirama's chakra levels are insane anyway.

You don't know shit about the manga and are such an obvious Itachi wanker. Now please, for your own sake, shut the F up!
as far as you can't prove that it was a clone you can't claim that Hashi always starts with clones
 

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Yes, because Hashirama totally wasn't a Senju who fought against Uchihas his whole childhood and well into adulthood. He totally wasn't clan head, and as such didn't have any intel on the Uchihas. He also wasn't best friends with Madara, and has absolutely no idea how the Uchihas trap others in their genjutsu.

Hashirama>>>Itachi. The chances of Itachi landing a Tsukuyomi on Hashirama are close to zero.
 

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Hashi has no knowledge on it so the blue part will be ignored
and without knowledge he has no reason to avoid eye contact


as far as you can't prove that it was a clone you can't claim that Hashi always starts with clones

Are you serious? Even when fighting a 3T sharingan, you're supposed to avoid eye contact. Basic knowledge. Not to mention that Izuna and Madara both lived during Hashirama's era, and they both had MS.

Madara has Tsukuyomi.
 

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Hashi has no knowledge on it so the blue part will be ignored
and without knowledge he has no reason to avoid eye contact

Eye contact will never be achieved as he fights long range. What don't you understand about this. Funny this is coming from the same guy who whining like a child about how Itachi isn't overrated then you go and do the same thing...overrate Itachi. Hop off. The chances of Tsukuyomi landing are near zero.
 

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So far hashirama never engaged into a battle from long range or with clones.
This opens opportunity for tsukuyomi amaterasu and even totsuka
 
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So far hashirama never engaged into a battle from long range or with clones.
This opens opportunity for tsukuyomi amaterasu and even totsuka

Totsuka? Yes, because Hashirama is just going to stand there and let Itachi pierce him.
 

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Eye contact will never be achieved as he fights long range. What don't you understand about this. Funny this is coming from the same guy who whining like a child about how Itachi isn't overrated then you go and do the same thing...overrate Itachi. Hop off. The chances of Tsukuyomi landing are near zero.

there's no standard starting distance
it can be 5 feet or 30 feet
and I never said Itachi is stronger than Hashirama
I said he's a bad matchup and beats him in certain scenarios
 

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there's no standard starting distance
it can be 5 feet or 30 feet
and I never said Itachi is stronger than Hashirama
I said he's a bad matchup and beats him in certain scenarios

How can you say Itachi is a bad matchup?
Didn't Hashi spend his whole childhood fighting a war against the whole Uchiha clan? Im pretty sure if he fought a war against the Uchiha clan he knows how to fight against a sharingan
 

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How can you say Itachi is a bad matchup?
Didn't Hashi spend his whole childhood fighting a war against the whole Uchiha clan? Im pretty sure if he fought a war against the Uchiha clan he knows how to fight against a sharingan
It was a battle not a duel.
Senjus could dispel each other and uchihas didnt bother to use it so much then. In duel there is no reason for him to counter it unless he can close his eyes and has snake senses enhanced by SM!!!
 

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This genjutsu shuts down VISION SPECIFICALLY. No vision, no tsukyomi. And please all you have to do is not look at itachis eyes to dodge tsukyomi. Also hashi has sm to detect attacks, and dodge them before hand.(a characteristic so far shared by all sagemodes)

So itachi cant trap hashi in his most powerful genjutsus, and can maybe only trap him in a minor one, which with hashis chakra levels he can easily break out of, itachis amatersu is useless, because hashi could dodge in sm, or just block it with mokuton, and sussanoo is useless because hashi can fight long range, and he has already beaten a ems perfect sussanoo cloaked kyubbi controlled by the most powerful sussanoo user.

I truly dont care about either character, but hashi very clearly has the super advantage here.

(ohh i forgot to mention hashi has been fighting sharingan users, and a MS user madara most of his life.....im sure with at least 20+ years of fighting uchihas, he has learnt to counter their abilities(or at least negate them))


Any one who still thinks itachi beats hashi, is delusional.

(i also forgot to mention hashis wood clones, and op self healing jutsu(which is stated to be on tsunades level), and the largest known chakra pool)
 
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