Hashirama's situation explained

[KingHashirama]

I will now try my best to explain the "plothole" or "mistake" that people are saying in regards to Hashirama being tired (influenced by Bogard's post).

The reason that Hashirama is tired is because of the 6- 8 rods on his back:

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We already know if you are stabbed with them rods you have hard time focusing your chakra and so on. So he at the moment is not in the normal Edo tensei form where you suffer no exhaustion.. while Madara is. However, if anything is to be questioned it is as to why Hashirama didn't pull them out.....

I mean if he simply takes out the rods, he becomes a normal edo and then Madara has no chance again (however, this screws up the plot in regards to Madara taking over the villain role).

But yea, the black rods are the reason why Hashirama is all tired and stuff.. and why Madara is not.

PS: just in case you guys didn't know this, so just putting it out there. Sorry to repeat it if you already know all this.

 

[The Necromancer]

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Then were are they here? We don't see any signs of Hashi using clones.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Then were are they here? We don't see any signs of Hashi using clones.

His back is all black.. Sooo you aren't gonna see black rods on a black outfit...

you could see something black sticking out of Hashirama in this scan.

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[The Necromancer]

His back is all black.. Sooo you aren't gonna see black rods on a black outfit...

What? You can clearly see there are no black rods in both panels he is in.

 

[RikudouMadara]

I see.....although he is tired as a result of Madara continuously impaling him with black rods. I believe without the rods Madara has a chance, before the black rods he was able to hit him with the black rods. These black rods are an attack from Madara, so he is tired from fighting Madara. Just saying....no disrespect intended. I believe Hashiramas last attack was similar to the Gokage before Madara used PS. An admirable attack, but it failed. Also just saying...it was two against one, and Madara still acted as if their attacks were nothing. At least from my perception.

 

[KingHashirama]

What? You can clearly see there are no black rods in both panels he is in.

He still has something black sticking out of him

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I see.....although he is tired as a result of Madara continuously impaling him with black rods. I believe without the rods Madara has a chance, before the black rods he was able to hit him with the black rods. These black rods are an attack from Madara, so he is tired from fighting Madara. Just saying....no disrespect intended. I believe Hashiramas last attack was similar to the Gokage before Madara used PS. An admirable attack, but it failed. Also just saying...it was two against one, and Madara still acted as if their attacks were nothing. At least from my perception.

Hashirama do a last attack. It was Sai who did it.

What I'm saying is that if Hashirama takes out the rods.. hes back to normal.. him going back to normal = Madara's revival having no point.

So only way they could have Madara being the jinchuriki while having Hashirama around is to have Hashirama decrease in power somehow. And this was perfectly executed actually.

 

[shogun973]

Good catch

 

[Gerkak]

Hashirama took them off after madara was hit by the rasenshuriken

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama took them off after madara was hit by the rasenshuriken

No he still has something black sticking out of his back after that attack.

 

[Da Best Ever]

u said if hashirama had pulled them out madara would have had no chance and the reason hashi didnt pull them out is because of plot...well hashirama beating madara was plot and very wrong and illogical due to madara having ems+rinnegan+hashirama's powers...how can hashirama beat himself and ems madara plus rinnegan??? that was plot

 

[KingHashirama]

u said if hashirama had pulled them out madara would have had no chance and the reason hashi didnt pull them out is because of plot...well hashirama beating madara was plot and very wrong and illogical due to madara having ems+rinnegan+hashirama's powers...how can hashirama beat himself and ems madara plus rinnegan??? that was plot

Highly false i never said anything about PNJ. I said it f*cks up the plot. Which is true. I didn't make any excuses mate, so nice try at trying to be a smartass or w.e.. but it sadly didn't work this time mate.

 

[Dondaime Hokage Naruto]

I believe Madara will control Hashirama and it will be Madara and Hashi vs Naruto and the others. Hash looked tired and he has not removed the black rods! Also Madara didn't lose against him. We don't see him even trying in the panels.

 

[Da Best Ever]

He still has something black sticking out of him

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Hashirama do a last attack. It was Sai who did it.

What I'm saying is that if Hashirama takes out the rods.. hes back to normal.. him going back to normal = Madara's revival having no point.

So only way they could have Madara being the jinchuriki while having Hashirama around is to have Hashirama decrease in power somehow. And this was perfectly executed actually.

regardless of hashirama being back to normal or not wasnt going to stop madara from reviving, nobody knew what was happening only madara, obito, and black zetsu...it wasnt like madara did handsigns to make obito use rinne rebirth, black zetsu is madara's will and madara's will was to be revived nobody could stop that, even hashirama not being tired wouldnt stop it from happening

 

[Champ]

Madara was playing around with Hashirama so he could weakened him, now he's mortal he's going to take his senjutsu

 

[KingHashirama]

I believe Madara will control Hashirama and it will be Madara and Hashi vs Naruto and the others. Hash looked tired and he has not removed the black rods! Also Madara didn't lose against him. We don't see him even trying in the panels.

Your opinion goes against the following:

- Madara's goal while fighting Hashirama

- Madara's personality

regardless of hashirama being back to normal or not wasnt going to stop madara from reviving, nobody knew what was happening only madara, obito, and black zetsu...it wasnt like madara did handsigns to make obito use rinne rebirth, black zetsu is madara's will and madara's will was to be revived nobody could stop that, even hashirama not being tired wouldnt stop it from happening

Its not about him being revived.. its about having someone stronger than MAdara being there to stop him even after being revived..... rofl.

 

[Da Best Ever]

Highly false i never said anything about PNJ. I said it f*cks up the plot. Which is true. I didn't make any excuses mate, so nice try at trying to be a smartass or w.e.. but it sadly didn't work this time mate.

lol u said it didnt work this time...but anyway u did basically say if hashi was normal he would have stopped the revival of madara...u said it was plot that hashirama didnt pull out the rods, i simply said it was plot that allowed hashi to subdue madara...which is true

 

[KingHashirama]

lol u said it didnt work this time...but anyway u did basically say if hashi was normal he would have stopped the revival of madara...u said it was plot that hashirama didnt pull out the rods, i simply said it was plot that allowed hashi to subdue madara...which is true

Reread...I simply said it would've ****ed up the plot badly. Just like Nagato or Konan attacking and killing Naruto... So no i did not say the plot had anything to do with it.. I stated it would f*ck it up. Are you gonna disagree? O_O

And no I said madara's revival would've been irrelevant...

 

[Da Best Ever]

Your opinion goes against the following:

- Madara's goal while fighting Hashirama

- Madara's personality




Its not about him being revived.. its about having someone stronger than MAdara being there to stop him even after being revived..... rofl.

madara is the strongest there, hashirama is next but madara since juubito is no more is number 1, if u think otherwise u are a fool, like i said hashirama is fighting ems madara who gave him a fight the toughest fight+rinnegan which hashirama barely understands and what he does know of it is because of madara preaching to him+hashirama himself, i mean hashirama has to fight himself+ems+rinnegan...how the hell is anyone there stronger than madara???...if no one else there is stronger than hashirama

 

[KingHashirama]

madara is the strongest there, hashirama is next but madara since juubito is no more is number 1, if u think otherwise u are a fool, like i said hashirama is fighting ems madara who gave him a fight the toughest fight+rinnegan which hashirama barely understands and what he does know of it is because of madara preaching to him+hashirama himself, i mean hashirama has to fight himself+ems+rinnegan...how the hell is anyone there stronger than madara???...if no one else there is stronger than hashirama

Wonder why he couldn't control Hashirama if he was stronger.

Seems like even all the evidence can't affect you guys. i'm done arguing on this topic now.

 

[MythicDonut]

What? You can clearly see there are no black rods in both panels he is in.

It's either an error on Kishi's part or Hashirama still has a wood clone about. Though I doubt he'd leave something out that important.