Hashirama's narration is skewed

[TrollingSage]

Says the guy who can't even grasp basic Plot mechanics and that NO writer (Verse writer, poet, Playwright) has the power to get out of them, not even Shakespeare/Sophocles/Vergil. Is it genetics, or were you the unlucky one? Good Luck with your future life, you are going to need it. lol

@Trolling Sage When NO Uchiha is shown, you can't assume they were there. Where is the scan that shows even a single corpse? Show me.

Like I said if we're going down that route, then no senjus were shown at the start of the fight. Therefore we only know there were others at the end of the fight. You cant prove they fought Madara and I cant prove they didnt. But common sense dictates if even Hashi and Madara were equals, taking on 7 other senjus would have ended badly for Madara. No way he would last 24 hours. But who gives a **** about common sense right?

 

[AlphaScythian]

(1) I'm not a fanboy of anything.

U sure look like one.

(2) Kishimoto's telling the story through Hashirama, so it can be taken as the truth.

On what basis can it be taken as truth? Hashirama is just another fictional character of kishi. He doesnt serve as manga narrator or divine voice of truth. As just another character he provides his fictional opinion and information. But neither his opinion or information is concrete, as it depends on his mindset, access to information and capability to asset accurate conclusion.

Now tell on what basis hashiramas statement about uchihas is more credible then that of madara? As far im concerned madara would know better all about his clan!

And last thing kishi's job is to create thrilling story. It includes alot of lies, half lies, plot twists, all sorts of stuff, he never intends to simply tell u truth.
I expect grown man to know that, u dont seem to behave as such, according to ur statements

 

[AlphaScythian]

Like I said if we're going down that route, then no senjus were shown at the start of the fight. Therefore we only know there were others at the end of the fight.

No uchihas at the start and no senjus, but. Madara pretty much said that no uchihas would care if he got killed or not. This serves as plausible evidence that madara was alone.
Tobirama on the other hand is sensor and would rush to help his brother while bringing some senju with him. Clear evidence that tobirama was involved in battle cant be denied, never mind the fodders. So we have more evidences pointing out that it was madara vs hashirama+tobirama etc. then any other scenario.

But common sense dictates if even Hashi and Madara were equals, taking on 7 other senjus would have ended badly for Madara. No way he would last 24 hours. But who gives a **** about common sense right?

Madara and hashi could have been equals, but madara just got power up, and its unlikely hashirama got one too. Also madara had reasons to take on all of senju. Revenge for his brother and restoring uchiha faith in him. Killing hashirama or tobirama, or at least greatly weaken whole senju clan would do as mission accomplished. So there are couple of reasons why would he take on whole senju, not that he wanted but clearly they wouldnt stand by while he kills their leader.

Madara has incredible stamina and susanoo provides incredible defence (best imho) which is the main reason they didnt manage to wound him. He rather expected to kill hashirama sooner then later, but ultimately failed as he was outnumbered and as result outlasted in attrition battle by famed with stamina senjus.

So i guess common sense is not so common.

 

[TrollingSage]

No uchihas at the start and no senjus, but. Madara pretty much said that no uchihas would care if he got killed or not. This serves as plausible evidence that madara was alone.
Tobirama on the other hand is sensor and would rush to help his brother while bringing some senju with him. Clear evidence that tobirama was involved in battle cant be denied, never mind the fodders. So we have more evidences pointing out that it was madara vs hashirama+tobirama etc. then any other scenario.

Madara and hashi could have been equals, but madara just got power up, and its unlikely hashirama got one too. Also madara had reasons to take on all of senju. Revenge for his brother and restoring uchiha faith in him. Killing hashirama or tobirama, or at least greatly weaken whole senju clan would do as mission accomplished. So there are couple of reasons why would he take on whole senju, not that he wanted but clearly they wouldnt stand by while he kills their leader.

Madara has incredible stamina and susanoo provides incredible defence (best imho) which is the main reason they didnt manage to wound him. He rather expected to kill hashirama sooner then later, but ultimately failed as he was outnumbered and as result outlasted in attrition battle by famed with stamina senjus.

So i guess common sense is not so common.

No I guess it isnt. Madara got a power up so what? I was being generous when I said they were equals. Hashirama is clearly being portrayed as the superior shinobi. Hashirama took him and the kyubi . And you're telling me he fought that guy +7 kage level senjus for 24 hours. Makes sense. And this shall be my last reply to you. It's obvious you and shelke are hardcore Uchiha fanboys. You'll insist Madara is still stronger if Kishi himself personally tells you otherwise. Good luck!

 

[TheSages456]

you are wrong. its just that simple. stop arguing against the manga because you're mad that senju>uchiha.

 

[Booker]

U sure look like one.

On what basis can it be taken as truth? Hashirama is just another fictional character of kishi. He doesnt serve as manga narrator or divine voice of truth. As just another character he provides his fictional opinion and information. But neither his opinion or information is concrete, as it depends on his mindset, access to information and capability to asset accurate conclusion.

Now tell on what basis hashiramas statement about uchihas is more credible then that of madara? As far im concerned madara would know better all about his clan!

And last thing kishi's job is to create thrilling story. It includes alot of lies, half lies, plot twists, all sorts of stuff, he never intends to simply tell u truth.
I expect grown man to know that, u dont seem to behave as such, according to ur statements

At least I have proper grammar.

The Uchiha are corrupted by their own beliefs and hate. Take Sasuke for example, he believes the ENTIRE Leaf Village is responsible for the massacre of the Uchiha. This has been confirmed. Therefore, Hashirama/Senju are more reliable than Madara/Uchiha.

You sound like a child. Use proper grammar and I might take you seriously.

 

[AlphaScythian]

At least I have proper grammar.

And im fluent in 4 languages. Im pretty set.

The Uchiha are corrupted by their own beliefs and hate. Take Sasuke for example, he believes the ENTIRE Leaf Village is responsible for the massacre of the Uchiha. This has been confirmed. Therefore, Hashirama/Senju are more reliable than Madara/Uchiha.

Nope. Tobirama made no discrimination, he labelled all sharingan users us unable to deal with their emotions, possessed by evil and darkness. Shisui/itachi dont fall into that dont they? Tobirama himself was uchihaphobic, his opinions arent impartial. Ur point is invalid.

You sound like a child. Use proper grammar and I might take you seriously.

PFFFtt

you are wrong. its just that simple. stop arguing against the manga because you're mad that senju>uchiha.

I cant care less for so called "manga fact"
Face the truth senju are no more, and uchihas are taking over the world

 

[Booker]

And im fluent in 4 languages. Im pretty set.
Nope. Tobirama made no discrimination, he labelled all sharingan users us unable to deal with their emotions, possessed by evil and darkness. Shisui/itachi dont fall into that dont they? Tobirama himself was uchihaphobic, his opinions arent impartial. Ur point is invalid.
PFFFtt

I cant care less for so called "manga fact"
Face the truth senju are no more, and uchihas are taking over the world

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Alright, now I know you're a troll. Thanks for clarifying that.

 

[shelke]

Like I said if we're going down that route, then no senjus were shown at the start of the fight. Therefore we only know there were others at the end of the fight. You cant prove they fought Madara and I cant prove they didnt. But common sense dictates if even Hashi and Madara were equals, taking on 7 other senjus would have ended badly for Madara. No way he would last 24 hours. But who gives a **** about common sense right?

Common sense can also tell us that Hashirama probably did not have a Sage Mode, or quite possibly lacked perfection in it? If you believe he could produce it like he did during then final faithful fight, then you are clearly going off course here. Hence, it can easily be assumed that at this point after Madara acquired EMS, he was above Hashirama? But later the balance was titled again in Hashirama's favour with SM? Why is this so hard to believe?

At least I have proper grammar.

The Uchiha are corrupted by their own beliefs and hate. Take Sasuke for example, he believes the ENTIRE Leaf Village is responsible for the massacre of the Uchiha. This has been confirmed. Therefore, Hashirama/Senju are more reliable than Madara/Uchiha.

You sound like a child. Use proper grammar and I might take you seriously.

Completely and utterly false. Who is right/wrong, who is more reliable is subject to interpretations, which are purely subjective in nature. Your view doesn't tilt the world in its favour. Keep that is mind, as that is the beauty of any piece of literature, art etc.

And you sound mature by attacking the guy's grammar, and not elucidating and insinuating anything thoughtful on topic? How incredibility mature of you.

 

[AlphaScythian]

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Alright, now I know you're a troll. Thanks for clarifying that.

Why, jealous much? I was born in one county, raised in another, currently living in third and english is pretty common.
Oh and ur status kinda defeats ur statement of non-fanboy. I guess no point in debating a liar!

 

[Booker]

Common sense can also tell us that Hashirama probably did not have a Sage Mode, or quite possibly lacked perfection in it? If you believe he could produce it like he did during then final faithful fight, then you are clearly going off course here. Hence, it can easily be assumed that at this point after Madara acquired EMS, he was above Hashirama? But later the balance was titled again in Hashirama's favour with SM? Why is this so hard to believe?



Completely and utterly false. Who is right/wrong, who is more reliable is subject to interpretations, which are purely subjective in nature. Your view doesn't tilt the world in its favour. Keep that is mind, as that is the beauty of any piece of literature, art etc.

And you sound mature by attacking the guy's grammar, and not elucidating and insinuating anything thoughtful on topic? How incredibility mature of you.

Why, jealous much? I was born in one county, raised in another, currently living in third and english is pretty common.
Oh and ur status kinda defeats ur statement of non-fanboy. I guess no point in debating a liar!

I'm done arguing with both of you. Some people just can't see reason and are stubborn enough to ignore fact.

Senju > Uchiha.

Kishimoto's word. Manga fact. Goodbye.

 

[shelke]

^ What facts? Oh, you mean your interpretations? Yes, we should all follow suit, otherwise we are just ignorant and ignoring facts. Hilarious.

 

[HiddenWarrior]

Well, did you really expect Hashirama to be an omniscient narrator?

^This masterpiece

 

[AlphaScythian]

No I guess it isnt. Madara got a power up so what? I was being generous when I said they were equals. Hashirama is clearly being portrayed as the superior shinobi. Hashirama took him and the kyubi . And you're telling me he fought that guy +7 kage level senjus for 24 hours. Makes sense. And this shall be my last reply to you. It's obvious you and shelke are hardcore Uchiha fanboys. You'll insist Madara is still stronger if Kishi himself personally tells you otherwise. Good luck!

Power up is upper hand, considering they were equals.
I am being generous myself not claiming that madara was clearly stronger. Whole clan couldnt kill him and they resorted to pathetically tire him down, using numbers.
Lol Hashirama is clearly portrayed to need help in order to defeat madara, Hashirama & Co could be superior.
I never said +7 kage level senju, just +1, i used word fodders. Perhaps i should change it to countless fodders, so you wont make mistakes again.
I do really hope ur a man of integrity and that will stay ur last reply, as this 1 will be mine.
And calling some1 fanboy, while fanboying urself solves nothing, it just welcomes adequate response.
Grow up!!!

Edit: No kishi personally tells me nothing. Im glad ur his friend thou (apparently)

 

[Anorien16]

^ What facts? Oh, you mean your interpretations? Yes, we should all follow suit, otherwise we are just ignorant and ignoring facts. Hilarious.

Actually there are two interpretations in this matter.....

Obito... a deciple of Madara says:

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All Shinobi clans considered the Senju Clan the strongest . . . .

Hashirama... the most peaceful and 'good' person says:

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Uchiha were outclassed . . . .



So opposite source of manga says that the Senju were stronger...... thus the Manga states the the Senju are stronger...... but if may be quite possible that they are in fact more or less equal to which for now manga disagrees.

Power up is upper hand, considering they were equals.
I am being generous myself not claiming that madara was clearly stronger. Whole clan couldnt kill him and they resorted to pathetically tire him down, using numbers.
Lol Hashirama is clearly portrayed to need help in order to defeat madara, Hashirama & Co could be superior.
I never said +7 kage level senju, just +1, i used word fodders. Perhaps i should change it to countless fodders, so you wont make mistakes again.
I do really hope ur a man of integrity and that will stay ur last reply, as this 1 will be mine.
And calling some1 fanboy, while fanboying urself solves nothing, it just welcomes adequate response.
Grow up!!!

Edit: No kishi personally tells me nothing. Im glad ur his friend thou (apparently)

Except Hashirama initiated a peace proposal before hand and thus it was either a peace summit where the clans gathered or Madara was dumb enough to get into Senju territory alone . . . . also as we have seen even Hashirama neither used SM nor was willing to kill Madara so there is no question superiority until the except the scene of VOTE ......

Also it is portrayed that it takes 5 Uchiha with Sharingan to kill a frightened Senju child.....

 

[End of Days]

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sorry i would go with the manga and the databook rather than fan-fiction

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[shelke]

^ The first interpretation only speaks for Hashirama, not the entire Senju Clan. The second is from a single perspective. No one is denying Hashirama was not stronger than Madara, even though it was only slightly as the earlier image through Kurama's eyes - who would be more of an Omniscient Narrator here - that showed him bloodied and beaten to a pulp, unable to heal himself.

The point is Senju Clan here. Hashirama doesn't make up the entire clan. There is another Omniscient Narrator by the name of Chiyo who related an entire method just to fight a single Uchiha, who was equal to two ninjas due to their Ocular abilities. Don't throw everything aside, when we have two such narrators, along with Onoki who ventured that Madara doesn't need an Army, he can wage war on his own. That makes three Omniscient Narrators.

Hashirama does not make up the whole clan. At least try and this notion out of your argument.

 

[Anorien16]

^ The first interpretation only speaks for Hashirama, not the entire Senju Clan. The second is from a single perspective. No one is denying Hashirama was not stronger than Madara, even though it was only slightly as the earlier image through Kurama's eyes - who would be more of an Omniscient Narrator here - that showed him bloodied and beaten to a pulp, unable to heal himself.

The point is Senju Clan here. Hashirama doesn't make up the entire clan. There is another Omniscient Narrator by the name of Chiyo who related an entire method just to fight a single Uchiha, who was equal to two ninjas due to their Ocular abilities. Don't throw everything aside, when we have two such narrators, along with Onoki who ventured that Madara doesn't need an Army, he can wage war on his own. That makes three Omniscient Narrators.

Hashirama does not make up the whole clan. At least try and this notion out of your argument.

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I cleaned my spectacles and reread the page and read the line "He and his clan The Senju was respected by every other Shinobi clan As being the best ....." . . . . so unless I am very poor in English I think it meant his clan too as the subject of the sentence was 'He and his clan' (Just like saying 'John and Jenny are good at sports' means both 'John' and 'Jenny', the subjects of the sentence are good at sports)..... but I can be wrong.

 

[Boomshakaboom]

loooool Uchiha fan boys always crying, so sorry

 

[spike2068]

^ The first interpretation only speaks for Hashirama, not the entire Senju Clan. The second is from a single perspective. No one is denying Hashirama was not stronger than Madara, even though it was only slightly as the earlier image through Kurama's eyes - who would be more of an Omniscient Narrator here - that showed him bloodied and beaten to a pulp, unable to heal himself.

The point is Senju Clan here. Hashirama doesn't make up the entire clan. There is another Omniscient Narrator by the name of Chiyo who related an entire method just to fight a single Uchiha, who was equal to two ninjas due to their Ocular abilities. Don't throw everything aside, when we have two such narrators, along with Onoki who ventured that Madara doesn't need an Army, he can wage war on his own. That makes three Omniscient Narrators.

Hashirama does not make up the whole clan. At least try and this notion out of your argument.

sorry buddy but its pretty much senju>uchiha hashi>madara is definite and it has been stated serval times by quotes other than hashi that senju>uchiha and bt they are not taking over the world. In the end madara and obito and sasuke will lose. Its narutos story get over it.