Except Hashirama initiated a peace proposal before hand and thus it was either a peace summit where the clans gathered or Madara was dumb enough to get into Senju territory alone . . . . also as we have seen even Hashirama neither used SM nor was willing to kill Madara so there is no question superiority until the except the scene of VOTE ......
Hashirama SM isnt confirmed. Neither madara has perfect susanoo. Hashirama initiated peace proposal after they killed his brother, while well aware how dear he was to madara. Peace could have been proposed way sooner. Lots of lives could be saved on both sides as madara would've most likely accepted it. I guess loved by all, peaceful saviour, a messiah, isn't what hashirama was cracked out to be.
Also it is portrayed that it takes 5 Uchiha with Sharingan to kill a frightened Senju child.....
Oh i guess it was hinted that senju did the same to uchiha kids.
So why are u bringing half arguments into the thread, i didnt want to reply to above, cuz it would be stating whats already been stated here. please read the thread or dont bother.
I cleaned my spectacles and reread the page and read the line "He and his clan The Senju was respected by every other Shinobi clan As being the best ....." . . . . so unless I am very poor in English I think it meant his clan too as the subject of the sentence was 'He and his clan' (Just like saying 'John and Jenny are good at sports' means both 'John' and 'Jenny', the subjects of the sentence are good at sports)..... but I can be wrong.
Add Hashirama into the mix and the balance obviously tilts in the other clan's favour. My questions also site manga facts and still remain:
- Why weren't Uchiha Clan wiped out, if they were so hilariously out-classed?
- The defection can be brought about by a number of factors. As Hashirama is not an Omniscient Narrator, you cannot simply assume he is.
- The manga already established the factions statuses that one nation hired one and the other hired Senju or Uchiha - depending upon the Clan hired first - to fend off the other. Are you telling me they were throwing their money down the toilet with Uchiha Clan, if it was known far and wide that Uchiha Clan were outclassed?
As I said; this new chapter doesn't make any sense and goes against the first and last undisputed facts I just highlighted. If this guy thinks that everyone will lap up this shit he's throwing around, then he's mistaken. If it does turn out to be true, then this Manga is horrible on all fronts. Had this been established from the start in regards to the factions history, I would've never been bothered by this.
But this crap is bothering me because of the complete 180 degree turn here.
sorry buddy but its pretty much senju>uchiha hashi>madara is definite and it has been stated serval times by quotes other than hashi that senju>uchiha and bt they are not taking over the world. In the end madara and obito and sasuke will lose. Its narutos story get over it.
You are preaching to the choir here. I am fully aware what will happen at the end. But that doesn't mean the story should be butchered to fit in the senseless plotline that negates several factors within the manga.
Obito put HASHIRAMA AND his freaking clan... not just HASHIRAMA WAS SUPERIOR OR w.e.. He specifically put a difference between Hashirama and the Senju clan.
Hashirama right now is the one who knows everything about that era. Unless you have anyone else come talk.
I cleaned my spectacles and reread the page and read the line "He and his clan The Senju was respected by every other Shinobi clan As being the best ....." . . . . so unless I am very poor in English I think it meant his clan too as the subject of the sentence was 'He and his clan' (Just like saying 'John and Jenny are good at sports' means both 'John' and 'Jenny', the subjects of the sentence are good at sports)..... but I can be wrong.
Wait no it doesn't bro. Izuna was calm and collected and died giving Madara his MS because Madara turning blind. The last chapter didn't contradict that at all.
I think it is apparent kishi is starting to pull shit form his ass again.... However the senju were stronger... I remember in a chapterit was stated that they received the so6p's jutsu, and were known for mastering over a 1000 jutsu, senju clan means clan with 1000 skills
however i beleave uchiha produced more talented shinobi: sasuke, itachi, madara, Izuna and these 4 together would be able to take on the entire senju clan alone, forgot shisui there
I am intrigued buy the lack of tsukiyumi and amaterasu
The Rashomon effect is the effect of the subjectivity of perception on recollection, by which observers of an event are able to produce substantially different but equally plausible accounts of it.
^ That point is debatable, but the reasons for his death clearly cannot be scrutinized. I bet we all saw it coming that Tobirama delivered the fatal blow, but if the databook's word is law, this courtesy should be extended to every argument. Izuna gave his eyes to Madara, and then lost his life on the battlefield. Has this latest chapter not ripped this databook page several new ones?
^ That point is debatable, but the reasons for his death clearly cannot be scrutinized. I bet we all saw it coming that Tobirama delivered the fatal blow, but if the databook's word is law, this courtesy should be extended to every argument. Izuna gave his eyes to Madara, and then lost his life on the battlefield. Has this latest chapter not ripped this databook page several new ones?
We'll see in the new databook ;]. And also, Izuna was fine and went back to the uchiha.. He gave his eyes to Madara and probably died in some other battle.. but didn't regain his strength. ^_^. Kishimoto's world mate.
We'll see in the new databook ;]. And also, Izuna was fine and went back to the uchiha.. He gave his eyes to Madara and probably died in some other battle.. but didn't regain his strength. ^_^. Kishimoto's world mate.
^ You know you sound too silly with your maybes, you know? It's actually kinda cute. The chapter ****ed it up. It wouldn't shave away Hashirama's mustache if you admit it. Kay?
^ You know you sound too silly with your maybes, you know? It's actually kinda cute. The chapter ****ed it up. It wouldn't shave away Hashirama's mustache if you admit it. Kay?
Add Hashirama into the mix and the balance obviously tilts in the other clan's favour. My questions also site manga facts and still remain:
- Why weren't Uchiha Clan wiped out, if they were so hilariously out-classed?
- The defection can be brought about by a number of factors. As Hashirama is not an Omniscient Narrator, you cannot simply assume he is.
- The manga already established the factions statuses that one nation hired one and the other hired Senju or Uchiha - depending upon the Clan hired first - to fend off the other. Are you telling me they were throwing their money down the toilet with Uchiha Clan, if it was known far and wide that Uchiha Clan were outclassed?
As I said; this new chapter doesn't make any sense and goes against the first and last undisputed facts I just highlighted. If this guy thinks that everyone will lap up this shit he's throwing around, then he's mistaken. If it does turn out to be true, then this Manga is horrible on all fronts. Had this been established from the start in regards to the factions history, I would've never been bothered by this.
But this crap is bothering me because of the complete 180 degree turn here.
Then adding Madara to Uchiha clan didnt balanced the Clans powers? (more so as Hashirama will be forever unwilling to kill Madara, while Madara wont pass up a chance to kill Hashirama) Also Since Hashirama is part of Senju Clan it is legitimate for him to be counted among clan's strength, thus being strongest of that Era. Anyway answers to your questions:
1. My counter question: If among the Five great Shinobi Nations if only one is the best, why wasnt the other four nations wiped out in the three Shinobi Wars they had? Answers is obvious.... meeting in open battle and defending the home ground is totally different matter. To wipe the Uchiha Clan out the opponents would have to gather extensive information regarding them which is rather hard to come by seemingly. Also if Uchiha were so strong why did they join forces with Hagomoro clan? when the Senju probably didnt have any allies at that point.
2. While Hashirama is not a omniscient narrator, he is supposed to question the defectors why the **** were they switching sides before he welcomed them . . . . . that might have yielded the reason he gave.
3. Your being partial while stating facts:
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It is said that when the Senju made a move then only the Uchiha made theirs... as though watching out.
If one country hired the Senju, their enemies hired the Uchiha..... kinda natural.
4.This reason is hilariously lacking sense and honesty: It is said that if a country hired the Senju then the other hired the Uchiha, no where is it stated that any country hired the Uchiha first out of free choice (If so show me the page)..... If a country hires the Senju who are considered the best... can the enemy country hire the senju too? No.. they have to hire the second best the Uchiha to get a proper chance of victory.
Perhaps your own perception of the story is lacking which makes it difficult to digest the current development.
