Hashirama's fault that all of this happened?

[Murasame]

As the title says was is Hashirama's fault that this all happened? A lot of people tend to hate on Itachi for letting Sasuke live and for "manipulating" him to be evil.. That was Obito's doing.. they make Itachi out to be an evil guy because he killed children and the whole clan in general when he really didn't have a choice.. there was going to be more death and destruction if he didn't (A Ninja war)

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Hashirama let Madara live too for a long time just because they were friends yet I don't see him being hated on when Itachi did the same with his brother... what if in that final battle Madara won? Hashi should've made sure Madara was dead but he didn't... Itachi and Hashi had the same motives they both did what they did for the sake of the village so why is Itachi hated while Hashi is praised?

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A lot people say Itachi even admitted that he was a failure and that maybe Sasuke could've changed their parents or the clan.. well I have manga scans here that shows Hashirama blamed himself for everything thats happening now.. For the Hashi fans I'm not bashing him or anything as I like him but I'm just sharing my opinion on this... Please don't neg Rep me for this.. This is not to start a flame war people so I expect everyone to be polite.. trolls will just be ignored.


EDIT: I would like to add that if Hashi had killed Madara at the battle between the two clans the events that are going on now wouldn't have happened.. Like for example Obito being manipulated into being evil which in turn there wouldn't be a 9 tails attack on the leaf.. The 4th Hokage would be alive and Kushina would be too. There most likely wouldn't be a Uchiha Massacre as they wouldn't be suspected of causing the 9 tails attack.. things would've been so better.

 

[Jellal Fernandes]

Why.....

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[Murasame]

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[~Madara Uchiha~]

I believe this is Hashirama being a hero taking te blame on himself.

Tobirama and all the Kages played a huge part in the destruction on the Uchihas and the hatred that was born from it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Glad you brought this up.

However, he is saying everything , every single hate or event up until now has happened because of him. Hes taking the blame of the Uchiha/Oro/Danzo/Tobirama/Madara/Itachi/Hiruzen/everone else on himself.

However, as we all know, he really isn't at fault. Its people like Madara/Obito/Tobirama/Danzo/Akatsuki/Hanzo/and etc who are at the fault.

 

[Cosman]

Technically it is I guess.

But he's just such a likeable dude that I forgive him.

 

[Gesshoku28]

I don't think a lot of people hate Itachi

 

[Jellal Fernandes]

Please no spam if you're going to post keep it on topic U_U

Sure, No problem..

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[Waltz]

Hashirama's bearing the brunt because he thinks his vision was the cause of the current Chaos. Not so, Hashirama and Madara had a good vision for the village and ninja world but Tobirama screwd up everything.

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[Thundergod123]

Hashi may failed a lot, but he was the god of shinobi.
Someone who fails many times, but in the end they would complete it by changin their powers and destiny comes.
But Naruto would soon or maybe do the same, but if Sasuke changed his mind.........

 

[~Madara Uchiha~]

Glad you brought this up.

However, he is saying everything , every single hate or event up until now has happened because of him. Hes taking the blame of the Uchiha/Oro/Danzo/Tobirama/Madara/Itachi/Hiruzen/everone else on himself.

However, as we all know, he really isn't at fault. Its people like Madara/Obito/Tobirama/Danzo/Akatsuki/Hanzo/and etc who are at the fault.

The Uchiha were the ones being persecuted :|

 

[KingHashirama]

The Uchiha were the ones being persecuted :|

Blame of the Uchiha, as in how people put the blame on the Uchiha. But hes taking it from them and putting it on himself.

Of couse not saying Uchiha weren't segregated.

 

[Murasame]

I believe this is Hashirama being a hero taking te blame on himself.

Tobirama and all the Kages played a huge part in the destruction on the Uchihas and the hatred that was born from it.

Not really Hiruzen tried to settle things peacefully with the Uchiha and as for.Minato he had no interactions with Uchiha... I agree with Tobirama and Danzo for playing part in it. Although Hashirama let Madara live even though he seemed evil he gave him a chance.. and he was going to take his life for that.. what if Tobirama hated Madara for that And decide to fight and to try kill him? Then it would go on and there would be more killing..

Glad you brought this up.

However, he is saying everything , every single hate or event up until now has happened because of him. Hes taking the blame of the Uchiha/Oro/Danzo/Tobirama/Madara/Itachi/Hiruzen/everone else on himself.

However, as we all know, he really isn't at fault. Its people like Madara/Obito/Tobirama/Danzo/Akatsuki/Hanzo/and etc who are at the fault.

Yeah I know I noticed this as I was reading the chapter.. As for what you're saying I guess you have a point BUT he let Madara live when he had the chance to kill him when the two clans fought. Madara was evil and whenever someone is like.that they're bound to betray.. If he had made sure Madara was dead.. Obito wouldn't have been manipulated.. there would be no nine tails attack.. Minato and kushina would be alive and no uchiha massacre.

 

[KingHashirama]

Yeah I know I noticed this as I was reading the chapter.. As for what you're saying I guess you have a point BUT he let Madara live when he had the chance to kill him when the two clans fought. Madara was evil and whenever someone is like.that they're bound to betray.. If he had made sure Madara was dead.. Obito wouldn't have been manipulated.. there would be no nine tails attack.. Minato and kushina would be alive and no uchiha massacre.

There would be no Konoha. There would've been no peace. Hashirama knew the right thing was to make peace and understanding with the Uchiha. You can't FORCE another clan into peace.

 

[Murasame]

Technically it is I guess.

But he's just such a likeable dude that I forgive him.

Yeah true that's why people overlook him though.

I don't think a lot of people hate Itachi

Itachi may have a lot of fanboys but he has a lot of haters too.. the biggest one in my opinion USSJ Future Trunks as he is always making threads about Itachi being a failure and an evil person.

Hashirama's bearing the brunt because he thinks his vision was the cause of the current Chaos. Not so, Hashirama and Madara had a good vision for the village and ninja world but Tobirama screwd up everything.

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You may have a point there but Madara seemed evil.. that doesn't take away from the fact he could've killed him and stopped all the current events from happening.. Tobirama had a part but still.

Hashi may failed a lot, but he was the god of shinobi.
Someone who fails many times, but in the end they would complete it by changin their powers and destiny comes.
But Naruto would soon or maybe do the same, but if Sasuke changed his mind.........

Yet people call Itachi evil and hate on him.. Hashi may be the God of Shinobi but he still could've stopped all the current events from happening by killing Madara.. he admitted it himself.

 

[Murasame]

There would be no Konoha. There would've been no peace. Hashirama knew the right thing was to make peace and understanding with the Uchiha. You can't FORCE another clan into peace.

No sir you are quite mistaken.. The Uchiha Clan clearly wanted peace.. Madara was the one who was evil and wanted to keep on fighting he even asked Hashi to either kill himself or Tobirama.. tell me is that okay? Madara isn't the whole Uchiha Clan. And while he did agree to make peace with the Senju Clan and form a village something was bound to happen because once you're evil you're always evil and while that is not true with everyone it seem to be with Madara.. They could've formed a village without Madara's existence either way.

 

[Waltz]

You may have a point there but Madara seemed evil.. that doesn't take away from the fact he could've killed him and stopped all the current events from happening.. Tobirama had a part but still.

Even if he did, it wouldn't have stopped the Massacre and the darkness itachi had to bear, not to mention the Edo tensei being the cause of Hiruzens death. If Madara died, Orochimaru would've been the Main villan and would've brought back all 4 kage and terrorized the NV or DSM Kabuto with his.

 

[KingHashirama]

No sir you are quite mistaken.. The Uchiha Clan clearly wanted peace.. Madara was the one who was evil and wanted to keep on fighting he even asked Hashi to either kill himself or Tobirama.. tell me is that okay? Madara isn't the whole Uchiha Clan. And while he did agree to make peace with the Senju Clan and form a village something was bound to happen because once you're evil you're always evil and while that is not true with everyone it seem to be with Madara.. They could've formed a village without Madara's existence either way.

However, Hashirama knew that there were still youngsters who looked up to Madara since he was the clan leader. Thats what your not getting.

"Once your evil your always evil" that's like saying "Once your good your always good"...

Sure they could've formed a village without Madara.. but would it have been that effective? hell no.

 

[Murasame]

Even if he did, it wouldn't have stopped the Massacre and the darkness itachi had to bear, not to mention the Edo tensei being the cause of Hiruzens death. If Madara died, Orochimaru would've been the Main villan and would've brought back all 4 kage and terrorized the NV or DSM Kabuto with his.

I disagree to an extent.. One of the big reasons if not the main reason of the Uchiha Massacre was The 9 tails attack on the leaf... Because of that the Uchiha were put under suspicion of being behind the attack... If that didn't happen The Uchiha Massacre wouldn't have likely happened and Sasuke would've lived a life with his brother and parents.. Minato would still be alive and I don't think he'd want to wipe out the Uchiha.. It seemed like Kushina was friends with Sasuke's mother. And thanks now that you brought that up Tobirama can be indirectly blamed for that too since he was the Creator of the Edo Tensei.. And Hiruzen too for letting Oro live.. wow The Hokages made mistakes Haha bad ones too. Either way Minato wouldve been alive and he would be the one to fight Oro.. And I'm sure Minato would win since the Hokages Oro summoned wouldn't be as powerful as the ones now... even old hiruzen took them out

 

[Murasame]

However, Hashirama knew that there were still youngsters who looked up to Madara since he was the clan leader. Thats what your not getting.

"Once your evil your always evil" that's like saying "Once your good your always good"...

Sure they could've formed a village without Madara.. but would it have been that effective? hell no.

Now you're just speculating right there.. there's no proof of that being true... All the Uchihas gave up and admitted inferiority.. I doubt the children were bloodthirsty and wanted to fight and kill other children.

Yeah that is true but if you had read what I said I clearly put that it isn't true for everyone but it was true for Madara.. Smh.

And how would it not? You don't need two Hogakes.. Madara left the village but I never saw the Village falling apart when he did.. things would've been better.