Hashirama with no Mokuton vs A

[KidGamer65]

Its a baseless assumption? oh really, even tho i provided the base of my "assumption"

Its invalid.

Physical energy is collected from the body's cells and can be increased through training, stimulants, and exercise. Himm having the highest, already grants him more stamina.

We aren't talking about stamina here.

Ah yes, its my fault, on that. However you do know the lightening armor was up? But anyways,those rods > Chidori sword, there is a reason why they can't be pulled out that easily. They are much more dense.

You can see it in both panels, even if it isn't. That helps my argument even more.

Density=/=Sharpness, and Chidori Katana has better feats in the sharpness area. They never said that they can't be pulled out easily, Hashirama just said Sasuke shouldn't touch them.

Also, I believe we have the definition of durability mixed. When I'm talking about durability, I'm talking about the dictionary definition.

Durable:
- staying strong and in good condition over a long period of time
- the ability to withstand wear, pressure, or damage.


Though I see you are solely going for the Tanking in regards to determine who is more "durable", that would be like saying Ay is more durable than Kushina... when the reality is he isn't. He simply has a lightening armor and a harder body.

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Both definitions help me, not you. Durability is the ability to withstand damage and not falter. Durability is the ability to take an attack and stay in good condition or significant damage as the dictionary says.

Hashirama tanks via regeneration.. nothing really big here. Since we are counting their jutsus now when counting durability.

That doesn't mean he's durable, it simply means he can take attacks and heal from them very quickly. That's more like the ability to endure, still taking damage, but you aren't being defeated.

Since when does having chakra make you more durable? Every since the fact that low chakra = higher fatigue. Loss of chakra = Death.... Ever since that , low chakra = less durable.

This is true for endurance, but not durability as explained above.

Do we know there composition? Do we onow how he was pierced? We know almost nothing. Hashi tanked much worwe things than a if you want to bring feats

Their composition doesn't change the fact that Chidori Katana has better piercing/cutting feats than the rods, but since you don't believe this is enough, I'll refer you to Hashirama ready to stab himself with a Kunai, which isn't possible if he's as durable as Ay.

Yes we know how he was pierced, he was stabbed in the back six times by Madara. That's usually how you get pierced by something.

 

[KingHashirama]

Its invalid.
We aren't talking about stamina here.
You can see it in both panels, even if it isn't. That helps my argument even more.
Density=/=Sharpness, and Chidori Katana has better feats in the sharpness area. They never said that they can't be pulled out easily, Hashirama just said Sasuke shouldn't touch them.
Both definitions help me, not you. Durability is the ability to withstand damage and not falter. Durability is the ability to take an attack and stay in good condition or significant damage as the dictionary says.
That doesn't mean he's durable, it simply means he can take attacks and heal from them very quickly. That's more like the ability to endure, still taking damage, but you aren't being defeated.
This is true for endurance, but not durability as explained above.
Their composition doesn't change the fact that Chidori Katana has better piercing/cutting feats than the rods, but since you don't believe this is enough, I'll refer you to Hashirama ready to stab himself with a Kunai, which isn't possible if he's as durable as Ay.
Yes we know how he was pierced, he was stabbed in the back six times by Madara. That's usually how you get pierced by something.

Durability has nothing to do with stamina? what the heck.... Stamina and durability go hand by hand. If one does not have the stamina, he cannot be durable. To be able to withstand the damage or pressure, you need stamina to back up your body.

It isn't only about what they say, its about what they show also. If they were able to pull out the black rods, are you claiming Kishimoto deliberately forced Naruto and Sasuke to not do it , just so Madara won't be bidden by Hashirama? . If they were pull-able, pretty sure Hashirama would pull them out.


Ah now you are maniplating the definition. Durability is the ability to take damage and still be in good condition OVER TIME. Not just once.. but over time. Durability has nothing to do with "tanking"..If can't take any damage, it has nothing to do with durability.. You have to take damage first, and then withstand it and be in good condition over a long period... to claim you have durability.


But Raikage tanking attacks means hes more durable? ROFL. Holy Sh*t. If Hashirama is able to withstand the damage over a long period of time via regeneration, then that is called being durable.

Endurance: : the ability to deal with pain or suffering that continues for a long time

Durability: : staying strong and in good condition over a long period of time

Both are initially the same mate. Whether you want to admit it or not. Durability is usually used for non-living things, while Endurance is used for living things.

The composition isn't the thing i'm arguing, it is the force put by the rinnegan, behind those rods, that is superior to that of chidori.

Yea, and are you trying to claim normal Ay without the Lightening armor can't be stabbed? rofl, wtf... dude he ain't no superman...

As far as Damage goes, Hashirama tanked this without any shield:

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Talk about durability, when Ay is even close to that.

 

[KidGamer65]

Durability has nothing to do with stamina? what the heck.... Stamina and durability go hand by hand. If one does not have the stamina, he cannot be durable. To be able to withstand the damage or pressure, you need stamina to back up your body.

That isn't stamina, stamina is how long you can continue an act without giving out.

-3rd Raikage being able to fight for 3 days straight? That's a stamina feat.

-3rd Raikage tanking FRS? That's a durability feat.

It isn't only about what they say, its about what they show also. If they were able to pull out the black rods, are you claiming Kishimoto deliberately forced Naruto and Sasuke to not do it , just so Madara won't be bidden by Hashirama? . If they were pull-able, pretty sure Hashirama would pull them out.

How can he pull them out when Madara is binding him? Sasuke was told by Hashirama not to pull them out cause he doesn't know the nature of them, people have been stabbed by those same rods but pulled them out afterward (

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Ah now you are maniplating the definition. Durability is the ability to take damage and still be in good condition OVER TIME. Not just once.. but over time. Durability has nothing to do with "tanking"..If can't take any damage, it has nothing to do with durability.. You have to take damage first, and then withstand it and be in good condition over a long period... to claim you have durability.

This argument is simply based on you believing durability doesn't mean what I believe it means, so to save me any further headache, I'll just say Ay has a harder body than Hashirama, which is exactly what my point was to begin with.

The composition isn't the thing i'm arguing, it is the force put by the rinnegan, behind those rods, that is superior to that of chidori.

Rinnegan puts no force into those rods, it only channels chakra through them when pierced into a foe so they can be bound.

Yea, and are you trying to claim normal Ay without the Lightening armor can't be stabbed? rofl, wtf... dude he ain't no superman...

I never said that now did I? You assumed I said that, and you are obviously wrong with that assumption.

As far as Damage goes, Hashirama tanked this without any shield:

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Talk about durability, when Ay is even close to that.

He had the protection of his Buddha, I hope you don't believe he tanked that with his own body when he wasn't even the focus of the damage, when he can get stabbed by a Kunai, not when he can get pierced by Madara's rods.

 

[Ebisu]

That isn't stamina, stamina is how long you can continue an act without giving out.

-3rd Raikage being able to fight for 3 days straight? That's a stamina feat.

-3rd Raikage tanking FRS? That's a durability feat.



How can he pull them out when Madara is binding him? Sasuke was told by Hashirama not to pull them out cause he doesn't know the nature of them, people have been stabbed by those same rods but pulled them out afterward (

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This argument is simply based on you believing durability doesn't mean what I believe it means, so to save me any further headache, I'll just say Ay has a harder body than Hashirama, which is exactly what my point was to begin with.



Rinnegan puts no force into those rods, it only channels chakra through them when pierced into a foe so they can be bound.



I never said that now did I? You assumed I said that, and you are obviously wrong with that assumption.



He had the protection of his Buddha, I hope you don't believe he tanked that with his own body when he wasn't even the focus of the damage, when he can get stabbed by a Kunai, not when he can get pierced by Madara's rods.

Yea nagato rods made dead people walk. Obitos constrained jins. Madara with hia plot shield and his original eye god knows the differences. Madara is the one who made them it seems so he probably can alter them to his own will.

 

[KidGamer65]

Yea nagato rods made dead people walk.

Nothing to do with piercing power.

Obitos constrained jins.

Nothing to do with piercing power.

Madara with hia plot shield and his original eye god knows the differences. Madara is the one who made them it seems so he probably can alter them to his own will.

Nothing to do with piercing power.

 

[EZQ]

Why?? I think i will cry.

Ay wins.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why?? I think i will cry.

Ay wins.

-Bringer of Darkness + Myoujinmon= Ay getting outlasted.

 

[EZQ]

Senju = blessed with physical energy.

LOGICALLY, Hashirama has a strong body.. as you can see he can crack rooms without any movement.... Hashirama is the highest representation of the Senju Body (Having The Juubi's Body aka Mokuton).



He have never faced anyone like that to show feats. So why expect him to?

1. Hashirama is blessed with physical energy, and if you guys know about physical energy, you would know that it is basically acquired through training of the body.

2. He possess a stronger body than Ay, why? Because he is pinnacle of Senju body.

3. Since when was Ay not vulnerable to swords or Kunais?

WTF?

1- Physicall energy.. Okay, by just feats Hashirama's physicall energy is about slightly above average.

2- Ay's body is stronger, Tsunade is a SENJU and she had to use her seal to recover from the teletransportation jutsu, while Ay suffered no damage.

3- Not even raikiri could pierce the lightining shield, the kunais are ptf..

 

[Ebisu]

Nothing to do with piercing power.
Nothing to do with piercing power.


Nothing to do with piercing power.

I was trying to show the rods aren't consistent nothing but that. Btw for all we know he could have stabed him with ps or something lol.

 

[EZQ]

-Bringer of Darkness + Myoujinmon= Ay getting outlasted.

Whats myoujinmon?? Sorry for my ignorance

 

[KidGamer65]

I was trying to show the rods aren't consistent nothing but that. Btw for all we know he could have stabed him with ps or something lol.

I don't see how that has anything to do with our discussion. lol, if he stabbed him with PS why would there be rods in his back? Lol

Whats myoujinmon?? Sorry for my ignorance

lol, its cool bro.

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[Ebisu]

I don't see how that has anything to do with our discussion. lol, if he stabbed him with PS why would there be rods in his back? Lol



lol, its cool bro.

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No as the battle was off panel. Plus I said that as a example.

 

[EZQ]

I don't see how that has anything to do with our discussion. lol, if he stabbed him with PS why would there be rods in his back? Lol



lol, its cool bro.

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Oh, i tought that was Mokuton too. Well if its not then ofc Ay can't win, that's SM hashirama's strongest technique, or at least on the same tier as Buddha.

 

[KidGamer65]

Oh, i tought that was Mokuton too. Well if its not then ofc Ay can't win, that's SM hashirama's strongest technique, or at least on the same tier as Buddha.

Nah, its not Mokuton.

No as the battle was off panel. Plus I said that as a example.

Off panel or not, if rods are stuck in his back there is only one explanation as to why they are there.

 

[Ebisu]

Oh, i tought that was Mokuton too. Well if its not then ofc Ay can't win, that's SM hashirama's strongest technique, or at least on the same tier as Buddha.

Not close to bhudda bro. Bhudda is op. That is a binding technique. It isn't really same tier as bhudda if you think about it.

 

[EZQ]

Not close to bhudda bro. Bhudda is op. That is a binding technique. It isn't really same tier as bhudda if you think about it.

That technique could restrain the Juubi, it sure is close.

 

[KingHashirama]

That isn't stamina, stamina is how long you can continue an act without giving out.

-3rd Raikage being able to fight for 3 days straight? That's a stamina feat.

-3rd Raikage tanking FRS? That's a durability feat.

How can he pull them out when Madara is binding him? Sasuke was told by Hashirama not to pull them out cause he doesn't know the nature of them, people have been stabbed by those same rods but pulled them out afterward (

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This argument is simply based on you believing durability doesn't mean what I believe it means, so to save me any further headache, I'll just say Ay has a harder body than Hashirama, which is exactly what my point was to begin with.
Rinnegan puts no force into those rods, it only channels chakra through them when pierced into a foe so they can be bound.
I never said that now did I? You assumed I said that, and you are obviously wrong with that assumption.
He had the protection of his Buddha, I hope you don't believe he tanked that with his own body when he wasn't even the focus of the damage, when he can get stabbed by a Kunai, not when he can get pierced by Madara's rods.

Our argument comes from the fact you think Durability is a "tanking" thing, while I'm simply going with the dictionary definition of "lasting over times, while taking damage". Durability is as i said applied to non-living things, not living things. Endurance is something that is applied to living things. The argument was about, durability.. something that Hashirama is superior in. I stopped arguing who had a "harder" body... right when I realized both of us can't provide any feats.

The feat of Ay's "durability" that you are claiming on to is credited to his Lightening armor.. not his original body. But eh w.e no care about that.


Black rods = Rinnegan technique , also forced by the rinnegan. Now let me show you examples:

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Every single ninja can be pierced by a kunai..... if they don't have some sort of an armor. Show me how the buddha provided Protection. And it doesn't matter if Hashirama was the focus of the damage, he still tanked the damage that is bigger than 50 + mountains.... rofl. With no protection on top... As I said I need feats of Ay taking that much damage.. otherwise the whole argument you put up is already flawed..

STamina: he ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort.

endurance : the ability to deal with pain or suffering that continues for a long time

Durable : staying strong and in good condition over a long period of time

WTF?

1- Physicall energy.. Okay, by just feats Hashirama's physicall energy is about slightly above average.

2- Ay's body is stronger, Tsunade is a SENJU and she had to use her seal to recover from the teletransportation jutsu, while Ay suffered no damage.

3- Not even raikiri could pierce the lightining shield, the kunais are ptf..

1. hmm.. most of the top teir characters have above average physical energy..
2. Tsunade is not a pure Senju... there is already a clear difference between the pure Senju like Hashirama/Tobirama and unpure like Tsunade.

3. While i'm talking about original bodies.. no clue why you and Kidgamer are trying to bring lightening armor into this. Which can also be shat on by the strength granted by SM..

 

[EZQ]

Our argument comes from the fact you think Durability is a "tanking" thing, while I'm simply going with the dictionary definition of "lasting over times, while taking damage". Durability is as i said applied to non-living things, not living things. Endurance is something that is applied to living things. The argument was about, durability.. something that Hashirama is superior in. I stopped arguing who had a "harder" body... right when I realized both of us can't provide any feats.

The feat of Ay's "durability" that you are claiming on to is credited to his Lightening armor.. not his original body. But eh w.e no care about that.


Black rods = Rinnegan technique , also forced by the rinnegan. Now let me show you examples:

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Every single ninja can be pierced by a kunai..... if they don't have some sort of an armor. Show me how the buddha provided Protection. And it doesn't matter if Hashirama was the focus of the damage, he still tanked the damage that is bigger than 50 + mountains.... rofl. With no protection on top... As I said I need feats of Ay taking that much damage.. otherwise the whole argument you put up is already flawed..


1. hmm.. most of the top teir characters have above average physical energy..
2. Tsunade is not a pure Senju... there is already a clear difference between the pure Senju like Hashirama/Tobirama and unpure like Tsunade.

3. While i'm talking about original bodies.. no clue why you and Kidgamer are trying to bring lightening armor into this. Which can also be shat on by the strength granted by SM..

I wont read this, your debate with KG is very stupid since he's totally right and you totally wrong, all you are doing is speculating... Dont you ever consider FEATS?

"every single ninja can be pierced by a kunai" Lol, ask sasuke how did it go against Ay.

 

[KingHashirama]

I wont read this, your debate with KG is very stupid since he's totally right and you totally wrong, all you are doing is speculating... Dont you ever consider FEATS?

"every single ninja can be pierced by a kunai" Lol, ask sasuke how did it go against Ay.

Again are you retarded or something? Or do you lack comprehnsion? Did you not read when I said i'm comparing normal bodies, while you 2 are comparing them with having jutsu.

Show me a feat of Ay tanking a kunai or a sword without lightening armor....

I can show you a feat of Hashirama tanking the explosion of 50+ mountains, without any sort of chakra protection.

 

[Ebisu]

Me and king shouldn't debate on hashi feats as that is not what thread is about. All three of us agreed hashi wins.