Hashirama vs Tobirama and Minato

[LuckyMan]

Hashirama rapes this duo.

Not from 40 meters. There needs to be a greater distance than that for him to win. At 100+ meters then he would win but 40 is just too close of a distance and they both blitz him. Tobirama and Minato's movement and fight speed is high tier in base form. When the fight starts they rush him. If he tires to enter SM then he's gets tagged and is done for after that. If he goes straight into making wood beasts/forest he still gets blitzed by them.

 

[VongolaX]

Minato said he needed time to gather enough chakra. We don't know if this means due to size or that he was out of chakra. I'm pretty sure it's size though. Unlike the FTG barrier, I don't think Minato can teleport giant sized objects like nothing. Even Kamui has a size limitation.

You are basing your argument on an assumption.

It was never implied or hinted that ftg has a size limit of what can be teleported.

Kamui and ftg are two complete different things.

Only Kakashi has shown to have a limit on what objects to send away, the original owner has never suffered such problems.

Lets not forget that Edo tensei marked with ftg can be sent anywhere within reach at the instant speed, while blowing up simultaneously by the use of Gojo.

On going chain that can last for a long time.

They can send an Edo near Hashirama and cause a chain explosion.

They can't get hit by Hashirama's buddah, even a Rikudou Obito had some problems catching them.

 

[Bronze]

Tobirama and Minato take this high diff.

-They can create Chakra link between each other, and with Minato's markings all over the place [

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], Tobirama will have access to the markings as well. That being said, Hashirama's techniques are all easy to avoid.

-Flower Tree World is countered by their speed. They'll be able to find a spot where the flower doesn't bloom the chemical poison. Once that happens, Tobirama uses his

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to cut the flower. Jukai Koutan is countered by Minato's Odama Rasengan. Mokujin gets teleported. If Hashirama resorts to using Shinsuusenju, it'll get teleported as well.

-Once Tobirama or Minato are in close-range with Hashirama, the latter gets blitzed. Not even giving Madara's feat to Hashirama, considering it was revealed Madara had Hagoromo's Senjutsu and Chakra. Not to mention Madara has greater Taijutsu and physical capabilities than Hashirama.​

 

[Demonic.]

You are basing your argument on an assumption.

It was never implied or hinted that ftg has a size limit of what can be teleported.

Kamui and ftg are two complete different things.

Only Kakashi has shown to have a limit on what objects to send away, the original owner has never suffered such problems.

Lets not forget that Edo tensei marked with ftg can be sent anywhere within reach at the instant speed, while blowing up simultaneously by the use of Gojo.

On going chain that can last for a long time.

They can send an Edo near Hashirama and cause a chain explosion.

They can't get hit by Hashirama's buddah, even a Rikudou Obito had some problems catching them.

Lol, I think KidGamer explained this pretty well ^^^^^^


Well I think it's clear what the majority says. Don't even take that clown Dimitri seriously anymore. I bet if it was EMS Madara vs Base Hashirama and Minato he'd say Madara wins XD

 

[Unorthodox]

people who take invisible man or ben gaye serious need to slap themselfs

Base hashirama negs them make minato bm

and Hashirama still wins med diff

also we got people still thinking edo dont have unlimited chakra at this point in the manga i would not even reply to such bullshit Kidgamer quit wastin you time on people who playing dumb or selective read.

 

[Ababeel]

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--by covering the battlefiled with mokuton and destroying all the marked locations through mokujin, jukai kotan or SS Lol

the marking never vanish so that's useless.

--SS crushes them like little insects, neither minato nor tobiramma are evading its attacks, nor are they taking it out

Minato redirect it to Hashirama's face with S/T barrier. And saying Minato who went from the battlefield to konoha in one second
can't avoid that is a bad joke.

--Toad Summons get overwhelmed by mokujin, or pinned down by myojinmon, they are non factor

Or Hashirama is put down by Frog Song.

--Flower Tree world is also putting them to sleep seeing how none of them have the firepower to bypass it

Oil + fire = burn forest

--neither minato nor tobirama have the firepower to counter hashiramas mokuton nor do they have anyway to escape their large AOE

Armless Minato > Wood that 10 tiers above Hashirama's level.

--Tobirama lacking GKF here just makes it worse for them, not that it had any factor whatsoever as hashiramas mokutons can tank it with ease, and minatos rasengans are nonfactor as well due to mokuryu

nonsense. Tobirama's explosion tags destroyed Hashirama's gates as if they were fodder jutsu.

--SM is not even needed

He won't even get the chance to use it to begin with as he will get speedblitze.

In summary: Minato or Tobirama dont stand a chance

it's the other way around.

 

[Haizaki]

people who take invisible man or ben gaye serious need to slap themselfs

Base hashirama negs them make minato bm

and Hashirama still wins med diff

also we got people still thinking edo dont have unlimited chakra at this point in the manga i would not even reply to such bullshit Kidgamer quit wastin you time on people who playing dumb or selective read.

Lmaoo this guy's funny.

 

[Ababeel]

=KidGamer65;17154658]Lol, Shinsuusenju isn't needed for these two, and Minato warping it away with enough chakra to fight after that is nothing but another joke told on NB.

sorry, but this statement is a joke. Lol
Minato teleported a far bigger and stronger attack and he did not drop a sweat.

So Minato could use up his whole reserves (Almost all of it) to do something and still be able to fight and won't feel fatigue, on the other hand, if he was alive, he'd either strain himself and die/collapse.

XD
when the ET feel tire they show that and they don't regenerate instantly. Just like Hashirama and Tobirama when they used the barrier
and the clones. Such a thing was never the case with Minato.

-Alive Minato teleported Kurama and was already starting to feel tired. If he had warped the Juubi's Bijuu Dama by itself, he'd be exhausted and unable to fight.

No, unless you can show us the scan where he was exhausted. Not to mention, alive Hashrama will be exhausted from using the Buddha to begin with.

-SS is larger than the Juubi by far, which is larger than its Bijuu Dama, so Minato isn't teleporting shit.

How the heck did you come with the conclusion that the Buddha is bigger than the Juubi to begin with?
Can you show any proof whatsoever of that?

 

[wael reda]

If they did hashirama/Tobirama wouldn't be complaining about reaching their limits when creating clones while holding the red sun barrier. If it's unlimited then there's no limit to reach. Yet both reached it.
Conclusion? They don't have unlimited chakra.
@ an awesome senju

No they don't infact they're weaker than their alive forms by their own admission.

I agree that they has limits but they can do things which cause death if they were alive
For example if alive minato teleported jiubi sized ttb ,he would run out of chakra and die ,he barely teleported kiuybi whose size is nothing compared to jiubi size
Also there is possibility that Edo minato used some of kiuybi chakra to do that

There is no way Alive minato with no kiuybi chakra can teleport jiubi sized object considering that he barely teleported kiuybi

 

[Demonic.]

sorry, but this statement is a joke. Lol
Minato teleported a far bigger and stronger attack and he did not drop a sweat.


XD
when the ET feel tire they show that and they don't regenerate instantly. Just like Hashirama and Tobirama when they used the barrier
and the clones. Such a thing was never the case with Minato.


No, unless you can show us the scan where he was exhausted. Not to mention, alive Hashrama will be exhausted from using the Buddha to begin with.


How the heck did you come with the conclusion that the Buddha is bigger than the Juubi to begin with?
Can you show any proof whatsoever of that?

Stop embarrassing yourself:
The juubi compared to the Kurama avatar

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SS compared to 100% of Kurama

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[KidGamer65]

sorry, but this statement is a joke. Lol
Minato teleported a far bigger and stronger attack and he did not drop a sweat.

Except it wasn't larger, and strength is irrelevant.

XD
when the ET feel tire they show that and they don't regenerate instantly. Just like Hashirama and Tobirama when they used the barrier
and the clones. Such a thing was never the case with Minato.

They never showed fatigue, so once again, wrong unless its jutsu specific. (Joki Boy)

No, unless you can show us the scan where he was exhausted. Not to mention, alive Hashrama will be exhausted from using the Buddha to begin with.

How the heck did you come with the conclusion that the Buddha is bigger than the Juubi to begin with?
Can you show any proof whatsoever of that?

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That's Mokujin and PS compared to the Bijuu Sized Myojinmon, along with the space where the Juubi was. PS is near the Juubi's height, so is SS as the main body is mountain sized.

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SS dwarfs PS, so its larger than the Juubi.

Juubi's Bijuu Dama compared to Killer B

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SS compared to the larger, by far, Kurama

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[Ababeel]

=KidGamer65;17158911]
They never showed fatigue, so once again, wrong unless its jutsu specific. (Joki Boy)

No, unless you can show us the scan where he was exhausted. Not to mention, alive Hashrama will be exhausted from using the Buddha to begin with.

- I already gave you examples. :heh:
- sure,

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Hashirama and Tobirama admitted their limit and Tobirama stated that he is in a sorry state (*********** translation though)

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Minato was drained of chakra and that he was not able to use anything...

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That's Mokujin and PS compared to the Bijuu Sized Myojinmon, along with the space where the Juubi was. PS is near the Juubi's height, so is SS as the main body is mountain sized.

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SS dwarfs PS, so its larger than the Juubi.

Juubi's Bijuu Dama compared to Killer B

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SS compared to the larger, by far, Kurama

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1-Hachibi was on a higher level ground.
2- the Buddha's hand was around Kurama's body size

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the Hachibi is around the size of V1 Juubi's finger. Lol

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and the Juubi became even bigger with each transformation, which means the hachibi is not the size of its finger. Lol

 

[Eternal Sage]

Hashirama low diff, since neither have a way to hurt him with regeneration

 

[KidGamer65]

- I already gave you examples. :heh:
- sure,

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Hashirama and Tobirama admitted their limit and Tobirama stated that he is in a sorry state (*********** translation though)

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Minato was drained of chakra and that he was not able to use anything...

You're only proving my point. Minato was out of chakra yet he was shown feeling no kind of fatigue. Hashirama and Tobirama weren't fatigued either.

1-Hachibi was on a higher level ground.

Higher level ground doesn't change his size.

2- the Buddha's hand was around Kurama's body size

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Ok.

the Hachibi is around the size of V1 Juubi's finger. Lol

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and the Juubi became even bigger with each transformation, which means the hachibi is not the size of its finger. Lol

No, its as long as him, sure, but overall, Hachibi is larger. Not to mention its fingers actually became smaller and stubbier, so no, you're wrong.
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[Ababeel]

Stop embarrassing yourself:
The juubi compared to the Kurama avatar

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SS compared to 100% of Kurama

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I see what you did there. XD
but if you like the anime so much

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you might as will not forget that. XD

 

[Ababeel]

=KidGamer65;17158993]You're only proving my point. Minato was out of chakra yet he was shown feeling no kind of fatigue. Hashirama and Tobirama weren't fatigued either.

the thing is, if that took Minato so much chakra, he would have mentioned that, but no such thing happened.
You mentioned him teleporting Kurama ignoring that he was with Kushina for God knows how long doing the sealing and preparing everything
else, and all the things that happened before and after teleporting Kurama. Also, I think using the FTG is different than the S/T jutsu honestly, but that's just me....

Higher level ground doesn't change his size.

it does change how he look compare to the other thing though. If you have a younger brother who's shorter than you
and you stood besides him, is he going to look as short if he is standing on a chair or ground that higher than where you stand?

No, its as long as him, sure, but overall, Hachibi is larger. Not to mention its fingers actually became smaller and stubbier, so no, you're wrong.

so he got bigger and smaller at the same time? O_O
oh well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. XD

even though you're really strange, sometimes you say he can, other times he cant and so on and so forth with the circle. lol

oh well, thanks for your time. ^_^

 

[VongolaX]

Lol, I think KidGamer explained this pretty well ^^^^^^


Well I think it's clear what the majority says. Don't even take that clown Dimitri seriously anymore. I bet if it was EMS Madara vs Base Hashirama and Minato he'd say Madara wins XD

Kid gamer doesn't even know what hell he's posting, so I wouldn't even bother.

EMS Madara loses to base Hashirama and minato, that's just common sense.

These four hokage's are deemed the strongest.

If two of them were to fight one, that won person would lose.

Even if Hashirama is the strongest of the four in a one one one, he's definetly not taking down Tobirama who trains with Sm Hashirama and Minato who has sm of his own.

You need to have a large chakra pool to have sagemode in the first place, now that we know that he mastered it...

What chakra issues will he have?

It's so dumb that people say he will have chakra depletion when he is gathering natural energy constantly.

So when does natural energy have its limits?

The only thing you can argue is stamina which we have no 100% data on, regardless at that speed it won't be a problem for two people who can move instantly.

 

[Demonic.]

Kid gamer doesn't even know what hell he's posting, so I wouldn't even bother.

EMS Madara loses to base Hashirama and minato, that's just common sense.

These four hokage's are deemed the strongest.

If two of them were to fight one, that won person would lose.

Even if Hashirama is the strongest of the four in a one one one, he's definetly not taking down Tobirama who trains with Sm Hashirama and Minato who has sm of his own.

You need to have a large chakra pool to have sagemode in the first place, now that we know that he mastered it...

What chakra issues will he have?

It's so dumb that people say he will have chakra depletion when he is gathering natural energy constantly.

So when does natural energy have its limits?

The only thing you can argue is stamina which we have no 100% data on, regardless at that speed it won't be a problem for two people who can move instantly.

You underrate Hashirama. He can definitely beat Base Minato and Tobirama. EMS Madara with Kyuubi was a much harder fight than these two. Minato couldn't even deal with Kurama without sacrificing himself. With Hashirama's healing, these two don't have the firepower to take him down. It's just like everyone else said.

 

[VongolaX]

You underrate Hashirama. He can definitely beat Base Minato and Tobirama. EMS Madara with Kyuubi was a much harder fight than these two. Minato couldn't even deal with Kurama without sacrificing himself. With Hashirama's healing, these two don't have the firepower to take him down. It's just like everyone else said.

I'm not underestimating him at all...

Thing with minato is that he is talented and brought up in a shinobi system that improves battle sense/prowess.

Now there is a significant difference between people who's kekkai genkai can easily submit bijuus and a guy who doesn't have that at all.

Like Hebi Sasuke, he can suppress the bijuu chakra from leaking out of part II naruto.

Does that mean Hebi Sasuke>>>minato? Heavens no

Look at 14 ms Obito, he easily subdue the kyuubi and is several times stronger.

Despite the minor set back of not being able to utilize full power, minato still beat him in that little exchange they had.

So you need to take into account of the situation he was in before jumping the gun here.

EMS Madara also fought sm Hashirama and the kyuubi too, kushina notified that in the story she told naruto.

Tobirama was is not too far off from his brother, and with a high level kage like Minato there is no chance he'll win.

Even the Raikage with bijuu level chakras gets his daily spanking from Minato during their kage terms.

 

[VongolaX]

The fire power is counterattacks, they use a clone as a medium and send your attacks right back at you.

Just like what Tobirama did to Rikudou Obito.

On top of that Gojo/Edo tensei is a killer and Minato frog Senpou can raise his kumite for lethal blows when being sent at instant speed.

You are literally weight power over speed, and even at that the second party is also a powerhouse too.