Hashirama vs third raikage

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Jeez what is all this nonsense about Hashirama winning low diff when none of you have even seen Hashirama fight properly before.

3rd Raikage is no push over, the guy is a living breathing tank, his lightning release > wood release. This guy is definitely in my top 15, maybe top 10 arguably. I don't know if we are reading the same manga because if we were no idiot should even dare underestimate this guy.

I still believe Hashirama would win but it low diff, seriously people; get real.
 

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Jeez what is all this nonsense about Hashirama winning low diff when none of you have even seen Hashirama fight properly before.

3rd Raikage is no push over, the guy is a living breathing tank, his lightning release > wood release. This guy is definitely in my top 15, maybe top 10 arguably. I don't know if we are reading the same manga because if we were no idiot should even dare underestimate this guy.

I still believe Hashirama would win but it low diff, seriously people; get real.
I agree with you, I think Hashirama will win but with mid difficulty not low difficulty.

The 3rd Raikage will be incredibly hard to kill but I guess Hashirama can suffocate him to death and bury him alive in a forest of trees after blinding him and putting him to sleep.

The 3rd does have immense willpower so he can resist the flower tree world and he can try to spam attacks even in bringer of darkness but I don't see how he can beat Hashirama under these conditions. Even if the 3rd gets lucky and miraculously lands a hit on Hashirama, Hashi can heal and then move out of the way.
 

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lol why are people still on this
 

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so that means you automatically ignore all logic and everything we know about jinton? because of the word of his biased rival? moreover none of the kages were full power and madara ended up acknowledging they werent weak and showed them PS as a reward.
how many times must i remind people that ems madaras nothing compared to this invincbile immortal. even kishi agrees hes got no weak points. thats word of god. deny it all you want. wont change a damn thing.
How is that ignoring logic? Madara actually fought Hashirama, you don't know anything about him.

It is manga fact that Hashirama beat Madara, end of story. You tell me I'm denying the word of god? Please. Kages obviously to this point have never ever hoped to defeat Madara, Hashirama on the other hand actually did so.

EMS Madara can use perfect Susano'o this is also manga fact. Madara put it away because he felt pity for the kages, they could't do shit about an attack that crushed 2 mountains, it is however fact that Hashirama trumped Madara and his puny PS. Nothing he's done in Edo or Mokuton form puts him above EMS Madara who's actually trying, I'm not the one ignoring logic here and seeing hte obvious.
except third is easily a shinobi on hiruzens level. after all his years of experience in battle, why would he be suddenly useless without being able to see stuff? hes not sasuke.
Proof of this? That is literally 100% baseless, he has literally nothing supporting that he'll be able to do anything other than be a sitting duck when that jutsu was used. In fact in that very same chapter Hiruzen was hyped as the "God of Shinobi" and one who "mastered all jutsu in the leaf". He has a 5 in genjutsu and proved on screen he has incredible senses. Get out with this baseless stuff, can you actually support your arguments?
like madara was unconscious and got stabbed in the heart? wait...wait no...madara lived. he escaped. meaning pollen was useless.

...what?
 

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Proof of this? That is literally 100% baseless, he has literally nothing supporting that he'll be able to do anything other than be a sitting duck when that jutsu was used
like hiruzen was? third has too much experience with his other senses to be helpless without eyes. raiton armour is designed to speed up his reflexes and sensing. meaning as long as he can still feel, he can dodge an attack the moment it hits him. kenpachi fought tousen this way. hashiramas got no destructive or piercing power.
It is manga fact that Hashirama beat Madara, end of story.
how? what jutsu were used? was madara healthy? how much aid did mito give? did madara essentially have it won only to be tricked and blindsided? how much prep did hashirama have?

Please. Kages obviously to this point have never ever hoped to defeat Madara, Hashirama on the other hand actually did so.
so hashirama fought edo madara with immortal body, unlimited chakra, rinnegan, mokuton, 25 susanos? come back when hes done so and lived, like kages did thanks to onoki. madara was indeed damaged without letting them do it in that last battle chapter before he busted out PS so if he wasnt already dead the fight ends there.

EMS Madara can use perfect Susano'o this is also manga fact. Madara put it away because he felt pity for the kages, they could't do shit about an attack that crushed 2 mountains, it is however fact that Hashirama trumped Madara and his puny PS.
its manga fact he didnt want to tarnish PS' reputation by using it again when its supposed to kill anything and has killed everyone its gone up against. its disgraceful for someone to survive it for the first time in history. so he didnt want to use it anymore. now its puny? how do you know he physically took it down? maybe he exploited some weak point like gaara did to the incomplete version. doesnt mean hashiramas god. only that he found a weak point. i consider hashi madara's kryptonite. a terrible matchup since hashi knew all his moves and was the worst counter for a bijuu controller like madara due to biju supression.

Nothing he's done in Edo or Mokuton form puts him above EMS Madara who's actually trying,
madara is trying to kill the kages and called onoki a bastard for saving their asses. what the **** do you mean nothing hes done as an edo trumps his prime? kabuto stated edo madara > EMS madara.
In fact in that very same chapter Hiruzen was hyped as the "God of Shinobi" and one who "mastered all jutsu in the leaf". He has a 5 in genjutsu and proved on screen he has incredible senses.
raiton speeds up ones reflexes and senses by firing the synapses. so third has incredible senses and skill too. he drew with hachibi after all.
 

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like hiruzen was? third has too much experience with his other senses to be helpless without eyes. raiton armour is designed to speed up his reflexes and sensing. meaning as long as he can still feel, he can dodge an attack the moment it hits him. kenpachi fought tousen this way. hashiramas got no destructive or piercing power.
how? what jutsu were used? was madara healthy? how much aid did mito give? did madara essentially have it won only to be tricked and blindsided? how much prep did hashirama have?
Raikage isn't Kenpachi, and while he's trapped in complete darkness he's blind, during that time flower world one shots him and he gets surrounded by a forest. He'd have literally no way to find Hashirama, and boom once he's knocked unconscious(he can't do what Kenpachi did) then mokuton spears him down his throat.

so hashirama fought edo madara with immortal body, unlimited chakra, rinnegan, mokuton, 25 susanos?
Last I checked, everything Madara has shown so far has had literally nothing to do with immortal body and chakra and rinnegan. Madara has never used any of that thus far that actually makes a difference. Hashirama did fight the 25 susano'o clones and perfect susano'o version of Madara, so your argument is invalid, that form of Madara shits on the edo version we've seen
come back when hes done so and lived, like kages did thanks to onoki.
Hey guess what he did, plus Kurama was on Madara's side yet Hashirama still made him his bitch.
madara was indeed damaged without letting them do it in that last battle chapter before he busted out PS so if he wasnt already dead the fight ends there.
Ok, but then he proceeded to use Perfect Susano'o and could have one-shotted all 5 kages effortlessly after that.
its manga fact he didnt want to tarnish PS' reputation by using it again when its supposed to kill anything and has killed everyone its gone up against. its disgraceful for someone to survive it for the first time in history. so he didnt want to use it anymore. now its puny?
Yeah, in comparison to the beast Hashirama, who defeated him
how do you know he physically took it down? maybe he exploited some weak point like gaara did to the incomplete version.
Maybe he did maybe he didn't, don't assume, fact is Hashirama made EMS Madara his bitch who casually craps on the kages, fact is he calls his battle with the 5 kages a joke in comparison to his fight with hashirama, that alone puts Hashirama dozens of tiers above the fodder raikage.
doesnt mean hashiramas god.
In comparison to pretty much everyone else, yep. Kabuto, Madara, the 5 kages, all witnessed this and it's pretty much fact
only that he found a weak point.
Yeah...because that's not baseless.
i consider hashi madara's kryptonite. a terrible matchup since hashi knew all his moves and was the worst counter for a bijuu controller like madara due to biju supression.
Yep, yet Madara still continuously faps to him and says he's far beyond the noob 5 kages. Keep being in denial man, I know you hate Hashirama but some people just can't handle the wood.

madara is trying to kill the kages and called onoki a bastard for saving their asses. what the **** do you mean nothing hes done as an edo trumps his prime? kabuto stated edo madara > EMS madara.
True, but Edo Madara was toying with them utterly, he's never used any of his new techniques in battle, the only thing he's used was Mokuton and 2 preta paths. The second he busted out PS(an EMS move) then he shat on every other previous thing he'd done by far, we haven't seen anything from "Edo Madara" this has all been what EMS is capable of

raiton speeds up ones reflexes and senses by firing the synapses. so third has incredible senses and skill too. he drew with hachibi after all.
Yeah, and Hashirama made Madara Uchiha the greatest Uchiha to ever live his bitch, along with the Kyuubi, which is 9 btw not 8.
 

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I think the only real threat Hashirama has towards the third is the genjutus aspect seeing as though no physical attack can hurt him.
 

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during that time flower world one shots him
like it oneshotted madara and onoki? mighty powerful jutsu, that one..

Yeah, and Hashirama made Madara Uchiha the greatest Uchiha to ever live his bitch, along with the Kyuubi, which is 9 btw not 8.
i know its nine but mito was there to stop kurama making it 3 vs 1. mito kurama and hashi vs madara. madara said hashirama was the one person who could stop him in the old days in VIZ scans. he says nothign about now. for all we know hashirama cheapshotted madara at VOTE with poison.
True, but Edo Madara was toying with them utterly, he's never used any of his new techniques in battle
madara brought out jsut about everything he is known to have along with alot of mokuton spam. how was he not serious when he shoved susano sword in tsunade or when he dropped meteors or when he got his wood clone army disintegrated? madara was confident in that he couldnt die.

the only thing he's used was Mokuton and 2 preta paths.
onyl reason he busted out rinnegan is that he was outmatched and needed it in order to survive FRS. im sure he didnt want to use it if he ddint have to. he has no other counters for jinton.

The second he busted out PS(an EMS move) then he shat on every other previous thing he'd done by far,
PS was activated alongside rinnegan. its probably only this strong because of those eyes

Yep, yet Madara still continuously faps to him and says he's far beyond the noob 5 kages
since he said that he was proven wrong when kages got a legitimate hit on him and even forced him to clone feint to survive. if they were nothing how come he felt the need to send out 5 susanos each? surely if they were so weak hed just end his fun and kill them then and move on. with PS he said "anything and everything is like nothing before me, even 5 kage" since PS rivaled bijuus and "this has killed everyone its gone up against".

Maybe he did maybe he didn't, don't assume
maybe he didnt win at all and madara was defeated by his own undoing/cockiness/reinforcements. im sure madara would still consider hashi to have beaten him if hashirama stole kurama from him and used it on him. you tell me not to assume yet accept the word of people not even there that hashirama won easily fair and square.

fact is he calls his battle with the 5 kages a joke in comparison to his fight with hashirama
and then he declares he was wrong and kages were in fact strong.
this type of ninjutsu failed against rinnegan. so someone without rinnegan gets blown away surely. here he basically agrees with tsunade he was backed into a corner. here is the legit hit i mentioned.
here he admits they are after all powerful and brings out his last trick
anything and everything is like nothing against him.
"prepare to be crushed" so they werent being crushed before?
anyone who sees PS dies. meaning it was dishonorable for someone to survive it, like THE KAGES.

that alone puts Hashirama dozens of tiers above the fodder raikage.
which fought full hachibi to a draw. oh yes so fodder...

Ok, but then he proceeded to use Perfect Susano'o and could have one-shotted all 5 kages effortlessly after that.
how is it effortless if he had to bring that out as a last trump card? thats like saying nagato doing chibaku tensei immediately makes his victory effortless or itachi pulling out totsuka.

Hashirama did fight the 25 susano'o clones
wtf? so madara fought him, got his cells, mastered them and fought him again and lost again? whens this established?

everything Madara has shown so far has had literally nothing to do with immortal body and chakra and rinnegan.
it has everything to do wiht it. no rinnegan/immortal body and hes dead instantly from one jinton from onoki. susano hurts every cell in the user's body. even someone like sasuke, a stamina beast.
 

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like it oneshotted madara and onoki? mighty powerful jutsu, that one..
No, just like it effortlessly one shotted Tsunade, Mei and Gaara. Unfortunately, Raikage has shit to suggest he's anything like Onoki and will have a lengthy flashback to put him back on his feet before he's knocked out. And hey, guess what? He has no way to destroy the entirety of flower world in the time Onoki did anyway! Guess who was on the verge of passing out even with all that willpower that Raikage doesn't even have?
i know its nine but mito was there to stop kurama making it 3 vs 1. mito kurama and hashi vs madara.
Puuuuure speculation
madara said hashirama was the one person who could stop him in the old days in VIZ scans. he says nothign about now. for all we know hashirama cheapshotted madara at VOTE with poison.
Yeah, that's where you're wrong and we don't assume a bunch of baseless blather. "Lol we don't know what happened therefore we make a wild assumption that Hashirama obviously got a cheap shot off, even though Madara continuously hypes Hashirama to God level and that he shits on the Kages and faps to him 24/7".
madara brought out jsut about everything he is known to have along with alot of mokuton spam. how was he not serious when he shoved susano sword in tsunade or when he dropped meteors or when he got his wood clone army disintegrated? madara was confident in that he couldnt die.
Really? In that case EMS Madara casually craps on rinnegan Madara, I'm pretty sure the tiny bit of mokuton and Preta Path he has is no match for Perfect Susano'o.
onyl reason he busted out rinnegan is that he was outmatched and needed it in order to survive FRS. im sure he didnt want to use it if he ddint have to. he has no other counters for jinton.

PS was activated alongside rinnegan. its probably only this strong because of those eyes
So we're going into that territory, eh? So because Madara never used it without rinnegan there's no proof he can on panel use it without? That's 100% bullshit, it's manga fact, period, that Perfect Susano'o isn't thanks to the rinnegan. Otherwise Hashirama already fought Rinnegan Madara.
since he said that he was proven wrong when kages got a legitimate hit on him and even forced him to clone feint to survive. if they were nothing how come he felt the need to send out 5 susanos each?
Hmm, let's see here, 5 susano'o clones each is basically shit level for Madara, and it was overkill. He was chilling in the back while Susano'os destroyed them, and when they did get a legitimate hit instead of complimenting them and saying "oh my gosh you guys really ARE strong Kages! Hashirama doesn't crap on you like I previously said," he said "Oh, you guys defeated my fodder clones? Ok, allow me to actually try now."
surely if they were so weak hed just end his fun and kill them then and move on.
Yeah because everyone in fiction totally does this and Madara didn't say exactly why he didn't trash them and move on.
with PS he said "anything and everything is like nothing before me, even 5 kage" since PS rivaled bijuus and "this has killed everyone its gone up against".
Well obviously the 5 kages are complete and utter fodder to him, this was the guy who fought roughly equally to Hashirama.
maybe he didnt win at all and madara was defeated by his own undoing/cockiness/reinforcements. im sure madara would still consider hashi to have beaten him if hashirama stole kurama from him and used it on him. you tell me not to assume yet accept the word of people not even there that hashirama won easily fair and square.
In that case 3rd raikage gets destroyed, he's extremely reckless like his son and charges right into battle like a mindless buffoon.
and then he declares he was wrong and kages were in fact strong.
"Let's actually try now and effortlessly fodderize all of you with 1 slash of my sword"
this type of ninjutsu failed against rinnegan. so someone without rinnegan gets blown away surely.
Ignoring Tsunade entirely equals him accepting it? Then when he ignored Tsunade saying "no way Hashirama fought against this" confirms it even further. Oh, and the part where he says "lol since it's only me here the maps wont have to be redrawn like with hashirama. whos far beyond your fodder level"

Also note how he's toying with them in that scan like I said and sent some fodder clones to deal with them while he chills out doing nothing
here he basically agrees with tsunade he was backed into a corner. here is the legit hit i mentioned.
here he admits they are after all powerful and brings out his last trick
"Allow me to actually try now and one shot you effortlessly with one swipe of my sword"
"Last trick?" more like "First time I actually give a shit to try against you noobs"
anything and everything is like nothing against him.
"prepare to be crushed" so they werent being crushed before?
Exactly, to think you're even serious at this point? Kages get fodderized by Hashiram no difficulty, just like Madara could have done at any time if he wanted to.
anyone who sees PS dies. meaning it was dishonorable for someone to survive it, like THE KAGES.
It was a plot movement, it's manga fact at any time he can fodderize them with PS, so what are you trying to prove? If you're trying to discredit Hashirama's power by posting a shitload of scans of god level techniques that Madara says Hashirama fought against and craps on the puny Kages, I think you're doing it wrong lol.
which fought full hachibi to a draw. oh yes so fodder...
Lol yeah because in comparison to the might of Hashirama Senju and Madara Uchiha Hachibi is more than an ant? Don't make me laugh.
how is it effortless if he had to bring that out as a last trump card? thats like saying nagato doing chibaku tensei immediately makes his victory effortless or itachi pulling out totsuka.
His arrogance cost him that? Even though that's totally untrue and Madara can fodderize them at any time, just like Orochimaru toyed with Hiruzen and his arrogance let Hiruzen get the 1 hit in that never owuld have happened if he was actually trying.
wtf? so madara fought him, got his cells, mastered them and fought him again and lost again? whens this established?
Sorry maybe I should have said "perfect susanoo which destroys hundreds of susanoo clones effortlessly" or something along those lines, which is also manga fact.
it has everything to do wiht it. no rinnegan/immortal body and hes dead instantly from one jinton from onoki. susano hurts every cell in the user's body. even someone like sasuke, a stamina beast.
Lol you think perfect susanoo will even be tickled by a jinton?

Last I checked Sasuke's been sitting in Susano'o all day long in EMS.

So nothing to counter flower world, bringer of darknses and Mokuton forests, just a bunch of baseless crap like "Lol it's obvious since Onoki had a bunch of willpower and had a lengthy flashback that Madara could have killed him any time during that Raikage also has a stronmg will even though nothing supports it and he won't go unconscious because I say so and absolutely nothing proves he wont especially the part where he's completely blind in Hashirama's genjutsu". Or maybe "Lol, it's so obvious Hashirama is weak. Look at this scan where Madara casually crushes 2 mountains and then says how strong Hashirama is in comparison!" Oh, wait..-
 

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considering it is a great possibility and not guarenteed that hashirama even killed madara 3rd raikage wins
 

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Unfortunately, Raikage has shit to suggest he's anything like Onoki and will have a lengthy flashback to put him back on his feet before he's knocked out
we've seen his willpower. he fought an army for 3 days

Let's actually try now and effortlessly fodderize all of you with 1 slash of my sword"
its not effortless and its not fodderising if your using your strongest weapon. so freeza was effortlessly winning because he used 100% final form on kid gohan?

And hey, guess what? He has no way to destroy the entirety of flower world in the time Onoki did anyway! Guess who was on the verge of passing out even with all that willpower that Raikage doesn't even have?
lol he does have it. they spent an entire chapter talking about how tough and strong this guys willpower was. and he doesnt have to destroy it. because the pollen has no effect

you think perfect susanoo will even be tickled by a jinton?
jinton destroys all matter at the atomic level

therefore we make a wild assumption that Hashirama obviously got a cheap shot off
not so wild now

In that case EMS Madara casually craps on rinnegan Madara, I'm pretty sure the tiny bit of mokuton and Preta Path he has is no match for Perfect Susano'o.
tiny bit. you just finished typing about how monstrous and godly the mokuton was. yuo forgot meteors, and mokubunshins. PS slash is no match for shared vision
His arrogance cost him that? Even though that's totally untrue and Madara can fodderize them at any time
then why didnt he? he knew the kages were dangerous and almost beat him at one point at which point he pulled out the last trick he had, which was PS

Sorry maybe I should have said "perfect susanoo which destroys hundreds of susanoo clones effortlessly" or something along those lines, which is also manga fact.
susano clones sidestep the slash. shared vision

Well obviously the 5 kages are complete and utter fodder to him, this was the guy who fought roughly equally to Hashirama.
so 5 of the strongest shinobi in the world are complete and utter fodder? then why did madara grudingly admit respect and actually get worried by a few of their moves enough to fight all out? he didnt exactly have kyuubi that gets suppressed and removed after 2 minutes. so no he wasnt equal to hashirama either if he needed kyuubi. he has rinnegan mokuton immortality and unlimited chakra. which makes him better than hashirama ever was and he STILL had trouble with them and got half his body blown off

It was a plot movement, it's manga fact at any time he can fodderize them with PS,
no such thing as fodderising anyway. your spamming that word while not even knowing what fodder means

Kages get fodderized by Hashiram no difficulty
whats hashiramas defence against jinton? madara had preta path. hashirama has no hope

Also note how he's toying with them in that scan like I said and sent some fodder clones to deal with them while he chills out doing nothing
so because the original does nothing that means hes not fighting? he thought each kage needed 5 susanos to defeat. earlier they defeated one of his clones.
"Last trick?" more like "First time I actually give a shit to try against you noobs"
so using rinnegan, susano, mokuton, pollen, yasakas, genjutsu etc is madara not trying? all he really seemed ot be using on hashirama was kenjutsu, and susano and bijuudama. nothing else. even if it would have helped to use some amaterasu or something

instead of complimenting them and saying "oh my gosh you guys really ARE strong Kages! Hashirama doesn't crap on you like I previously said," he said "Oh, you guys defeated my fodder clones? Ok, allow me to actually try now."
he was already going 90%. going 100% doesnt mean he was not trying before. if he wasnt trying he would have destroyed them with kenjutsu and 3 tomoe like those fodders in 560. instead he was immediately pushed to rinnegan by a naruto clone, gaara and onoki. if kages couldnt let him test his techniques, then he would have just killed them with 3 tomoe.

That's 100% bullshit, it's manga fact, period, that Perfect Susano'o isn't thanks to the rinnegan
yeah it is. the longnosed stablished one at least

Hmm, let's see here, 5 susano'o clones each is basically shit level for Madara, and it was overkill
no that was him going 90%. just because he can crank it up to 100% with PS later doesnt mean rinnegan/yasaka/mokuton/susano army is "shit tier"
 
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