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I edited the post so you can understand it, because i who wrote it couldn't understand it lol.......
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Hashirama Vs Sasuke
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blood hound
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Madara was said to be the most powerful Uchiha. His name started a fricking war!!
Sasuke< Madara, and since Hashirama>Madara, Hashirama>Sasuke. You'll slate me for the a>b, therefore a>c, but Hashirama is clearly gonna destory Saucegay.
Sasuke< Madara, and since Hashirama>Madara, Hashirama>Sasuke. You'll slate me for the a>b, therefore a>c, but Hashirama is clearly gonna destory Saucegay.
blood hound
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Hashirama = Madara
If Hashirama was stronger than Madara he would of been defeated him.
Madara was consider the strongest uchiha of his time I believe.
Let me put it like this Madara & Sasuke are equal in terms of power. Only different is that Madara has more experience than Sasuke. Also , the point of this thread is I believe Sasuke could beat the First because Sasuke release is superior to the First. Also Sasuke has a counter for almost every justu the First has.
p.s. last post for you because your clearly now read anything and most of your post doesnt make sense man
blood hound
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Sorry man, but like I said I am using my phone... I apoligize for any no sense thread.
In my opinion Madara is stronger than sasuke and that the 1 hokage well win against him. That is all..... Take care an good night ( where I am ) take care
In my opinion Madara is stronger than sasuke and that the 1 hokage well win against him. That is all..... Take care an good night ( where I am ) take care
Sasuk3Uchiha
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It's True That Sasuke Possesses A Type Advantage Over Hashirama, But That Doesn't Necessarily Imply That He'd Win Because Of It; Hashirama's Techniques Were On A Whole Different Scale, Even When Compared To Madara's - And Even A Weak Element Can Overpower A Strong One, Depending On The Level Of Chakra Put Into The Jutsu.
Handling Amaterasu Would Pose A Sticky Topic Though, Seeing As Madara, Who Also Fought Him With The EMS Supposedly Had Access To It, Yet Failed To Incinerate Hashirama Through Its Use; The Only Jutsu That Would Prevent Amaterasu From Being As Effective Is The Bringer Of Darkness Technique, Which Completely Blinds The Opponent ... But Even Then, They Still Have Their Other Senses, And The Loss Of One Sense Sharpens The Other Four, Making Amaterasu A Usable Technique Even Without Seeing The Opponent, Albeit With Somewhat Lowered Accuracy. But This Leads To The Point I Made Before - There Just Isn't Enough Info On Hashirama's Techniques To Make A Stable Prediction; If He Was Able To Deal With Madara, Then Surely There Must've Been Some Technique (That Hasn't Been Shown Yet) Which Allowed Him To Do So, Which Would Enable Him To Deal With Sasuke Similarly.
Also, Remember That This Is Madara Uchiha We're Dealing With Here, The Shinobi Who Had Access To The EMS & The Kyuubi. And Would've Stood At The Top Of The Ninja World Were It Not For Hashirama; And The Two Have Clashed More Than Once; For Him To Either Win/Tie With Madara And Still Leave The Battle With His Life Intact States Just How Powerful A Ninja Hashirama Was. Of Course, Sasuke's My Dude, And He's Grown Extremely Powerful, But In My Book It'll Be A While (Or A Few Chapters At Least) Before He Succeeds Madara In Terms Of Power.
It Hasn't Been Shown As Of This Point Yet, But Seeing As He Has Access To Susano'o, It Can Only Be Assumed That Madara Likewise Has Awakened Tsukuyomi & Amaterasu; Both Techniques Are Required Before One Can Utilize Susano'o.
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Remember: Sasuke has the Susanoo Amaterasu orb, everything Hashirama has Sasuke can ruin with enton. To really decide, i think we must first see Madara and Sasuke face-off before we can come to a legit conclusion. I'm not saying that if Sasuke defeats Madara that Sasuke>Hashirama, but it will at least help us out a little IMO. But we can conclude that Sasuke is very adept in Genjutsu, if Hashirama tries Bringer of Darkness, Sasuke could use Demonic Illusion: Mirror Heaven and Earth Change to reverse it. I dunno, I need more proof...
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Well , I always thought every family has a different set of MS techniques.
Kakashi aka Obito- Kamui
Itachi/ Sasuke- Tsukuyomi+ Amaterasu
ShiSui- Kotoamatsukami
Madara/ Izuna- Unknown
only thing I believe they have the same is Susanoo but different version. I guess we can assume if Madara had Amaterasu he would of used it already but seeing as he didnt leads me too believe he doesnt. He also hasnt used Tsukuyomi.
so basically people are only saying Madara is stronger than Sasuke but in reality he isnt he just has more experience than Sasuke. Madara/ Sasuke both has EMS which makes them equal. Only reason I see Madara winning is because of his experience .
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Hashirama wins he doesnt even have to try to beat him all he has to do is throw fodder jutsu's at him till sasuke is out of chakra Hashirama wins with little to no difficulty
Sasuk3Uchiha
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Okay, You're Correct About The Whole Genjutsu Aspect, I Completely Forgot About The Fact That The Bringer Of Darkness Technique Was Genjutsu, My Bad. And If You're Only Referring To What We've Seen Of Hashirama's Powers Soo Far, In Comparison To Sasuke's, Then Yes, I Believe It Would Be Possible For Sasuke To Defeat Him (Though It May Still Be Difficult). Thing Is, Because Little Has Been Revealed About Hashirama's Techniques/Power, Most People Simply Go On The Claims Being Made Throughout The Series Of Him Being At The Top Of The Shinobi World, And Rule Out The Fact That You Mentioned That You're Only Interested In Who Would Win In Terms Of Everything That Has Been Revealed About Hashirama's Power.
You're Right Again On Your Second Point; But Madara Possessed The EMS And A Tailed Beast; For The People Within The Series, It Must Have Represented An Overwhelming Advantage To Them (Seeing As They Probably Didn't Take Into Account Your Point Of Not Being Able To Fight At 100% While Having To Control A Tailed Beast). I'd Assume That Simply Because It Was Madara, Everyone Assumed It'd Be An Easy Task For Him; Which Is Why Hashirama Rose To Such Levels Of Fame In The Ninja World For Surviving His Clashes With Madara; It Wasn't Only His Wood Release & Ability To Control Tail Beasts, But The Fact That He Walked Away From Every Encounter On The Battlefield With The Infamous Madara Uchiha Alive, Either Claiming Victory Or Tying. Madara Walking Out Of The Battle Alive Probably Wasn't As Big A Deal Because He Was Madara; It Was Probably Expected That He'd Emerge As The Victory Due To His Ocular Prowess And Manipulation Of One Of The Strongest Tailed Beasts (Again, This Is Just My Speculation).
In Terms Of The Madara/Sasuke Comparison, It's Not Just In Terms Of Battle Experience; At Least Not With Me. Madara's Chakra Levels Must Be At Least Twice, Or Three Times As Much As Sasuke's (Who Already Possesses A Rather Large Chakra Reserve, I Might Add), So He'd Have Much More Stamina Than Sasuke Were They To Clash. Madara Also Has Access To The Rinnegan; That Alone Can Turn The Tide In His Favor; Madara And Sasuke May Both Possess The EMS, But Currently, Madara Wields Much More Skill And Power With It, And By Extension, The Rinnegan, Than Sasuke Does. Only After (And If) Sasuke Gains The Rinnegan Can I See Him Defeating Madara In Combat - That Or His Fourth EMS Technique Is Some Completely Powerful Jutsu That Kishimoto Comes Up With That Can Overpower Even The Rinnegan.
Madara most likley has Amaterasu. He also hasn't used the Rinnegan techs.(bar preta), but we don't assume he doesn't have them. Kishi is trying to showcase Hirashima right now, so Ammy might not come out right away.
Even if we were to imply most Uchihas are different, Itachi, Sasuke, and Madara are the only ones to have shown Sussano'o. Why do you assume that each family only share Sussano'o? Since only Madara has shown it, it's safe to assume he has the other two as well, just like Itachi and Sasuke.
I was comparing Sasuke to Madara with EMS not rinngean I believe that Madara with EMS/Rinngean is stronger than Sasuke.But EMS Sasuke and Madara EMS are equal. Also , I dont recalling manga stating that Madara ever had more chakra than Sasuke.If it does please show me
Yea we could assume that he has Amaterasu but im going by what we have seen and I dont ever recall him using it. I agree he is showcase Hashirama
I believe Sasuke,Itachi and Madara all awaken the Susanoo because they all had MS in both eyes. Well , it not really a assuming because that is the only technique we have seen that other Uchihas can use. No ,because that would also mean he has Shisui technique too.
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Sasuk3Uchiha
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Understood. It's True That It Hasn't Been Officially Stated In The Manga, But I Mean, Does It Really Need To Be? This Is Madara Uchiha, A Shinobi Who's Been Alive A Lot Longer Than Sasuke, And Thus, Has Had Much More Time In Terms Of Increasing His Chakra Reserves Through Training, And Combat. In My Opinion, Some Things Can Only Be Speculated Upon, So You Can't/Shouldn't Expect Kishimoto To Elaborate On Minor Details Like This, Especially Considering The Many Inconsistencies He's Left Unchecked Throughout The Course of The Series As Of This Point In Time(i.e. How Kakashi Awakened His MS, What Exactly Happened To Orochimaru's Parents, Hashirama's Battle With Madara). In Terms Of Madara's Chakra Reserves In Comparison To Sasuke's, Just Look At His Battle With The Five Kage Soo Far; Most Of The Techniques He's Used Must Require Incredible Amounts Of Chakra, Yet He Still Remains Unfazed, And To Some Degree Even Seems To Enjoy Using Such High Level Techniques. Now, Could You Honestly Look At Sasuke's Character Currently And Say He Could Use Techniques With Similar Amounts Of Chakra Consumption Without Being Tired Out? I'm Not Saying He Doesn't Possess A Large Chakra Reserve; He Does. But It's Just Not On Par With Madara's; Not Yet Anyway.