Hashirama vs Onoki + Mu

[Unorthodox]

Hashirama negs dont see why people are even debating this also a easy counter to flight his wood spikes in this fashion

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image that from 2000 hands the duo is mauled

 

[Ultimateone]

it actually makes no since that madara was able to beat muu and onoki. by all accounts they should be able to erase his strongest attacks. so, i don't get how he was able to beat both of them. i also don't see how hashirama would be able to beat them. jinton erases everything that he throws at them and when muu goes invisible, he comes up behind him and uses a jinton before he is able to react. plus you have onoki as a destraction who is also using jinton. the manga says hashi should be able to win easy, but feats and everything i know about their abilities says muu and onoki should win.

 

[TheFiveElements]

The location and music were a bit weird, but okay... Disney has a lot of hiding spots so if Onoki gets tired due to his old age he can easily conceal himself... Hiding has its risks especially considering Hashirama's large scale attacks, Onoki can easily get caught up in one... And the music might also allow Onoki and Mu to hide, to be honest even with Mu Onoki is going to be running for most of the battle.

Onoki is a worm compared to even Madara, and Madara can't even beat Hashirama with the Nine-tails' help... What's an old man going to do? It easily goes to Hashirama low dif...

 

[Beans2]

Gaara manipulates his sand due to chakra. He needs chakra to manipulate it. This is getting sad here. Why didn't Onoki and Mu rape Madara with a big ass planet busting Jinton? Cause they can't. Madara spanked them, and by using common sense, Hashirama bends them over. They aren't even in the same tier.

Once you think outside the "rank" box you will understand.

 

[Penguin]

Once you think outside the "rank" box you will understand.

You understand Madara raped them neg diff. Both of them. Hashirama would due the same. Think outside the "feat" box. Portrayal puts Hashirama on Madara's level. Anyone on Madara's level lolstomps the Jinton duo. They just can't compete.

 

[Draegod]

Don't care who wins nor care to participate. But..

Onoki and muu being beat by madara was nothing but a small skirmish. Neither side went all out nor were in there primes. It was literally suppose to be a discussion that was suppose to happen, but them madara betrayed them and they didn't want to fight. Otherwise they would literally be dead if they continued that small skirmish.

Only fools would even mention that fight with a kid onoki and young muu as anything to brag about.

 

[genii96]

Re: Hashirama vs Onoki Mu

Muu solos.
He foes invisible and cuts hashirama's head off.
Or he flies up,fires an island busting jinton and wipes hashirama and the entire battlefield out.

People using madara's fight with muu and onoki are delusional,the battle destroyed a nearby building only,you want to say they were as poerful as they showed in the war?,not even mentioning that that was kid onoki.

 

[Beans2]

You understand Madara raped them neg diff. Both of them. Hashirama would due the same. Think outside the "feat" box. Portrayal puts Hashirama on Madara's level. Anyone on Madara's level lolstomps the Jinton duo. They just can't compete.

Why would I think outside the "feat" box, feats are what actually determine the winner of a matchup. Once you manage to look past portrayal or hype, you can fairly judge a matchup.

 

[Oblivionx]

if this was edo muu and ohnoki then i can see them having a good shot at hashirama....

 

[Selan]

Hashirama fodders them. It should be common sense.

 

[Phonas]

Question: Does this scan substantiate the argument that Hashirama can swiftly enter Sage Mode?

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[KidGamer65]

I don't see how this is an issue seeing as Mu can sense Hashirama while underground.

and his clones can do it as well,

Mu can't tell a clone apart from the original.

What exactly is the gate made out of, if not wood? I need to know before I continue to reply.

And how am I supposed to know? All I know is that its not Mokuton.

1. Mu dodged KCM Naruto, who's faster than both Madara and Hashirama.

KCM Naruto's Shunshin is faster than these two. Mu dodged a free falling KCM Naruto. Not impressive.

2. Mu dodges the gate, and who said he would use jinton right off the bat?

*Sigh* What are you talking about? I never said he'd use it right off the bat. I said when he does Hashirama counters.

Yes, he did:

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1. He can't absorb the Sand itself.

2. The water mixed with the sand caused it to stick to his body, and the lightning numbed his body as well.

3. He already absorbed chakra from Gaara's Sand.

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Gaara had him bound with sand, but Preta Path absorbed it when he used it on the Rasen Shuriken.

Okey

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Lee mentions Gaara's chakra when he's controlling the sand.

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[KidGamer65]

One could argue that Onoki has never been able to display such a scale of a Jinton because its AOE would kill his comrades that are in battle with him.

If his comrades are behind him, like they were when they made the super Jinton, then it wouldn't matter as the jutsu isn't going to hit people behind him.

 

[Beans2]

Mu can't tell a clone apart from the original.



And how am I supposed to know? All I know is that its not Mokuton.



KCM Naruto's Shunshin is faster than these two. Mu dodged a free falling KCM Naruto. Not impressive.



*Sigh* What are you talking about? I never said he'd use it right off the bat. I said when he does Hashirama counters.





1. He can't absorb the Sand itself.

2. The water mixed with the sand caused it to stick to his body, and the lightning numbed his body as well.

3. He already absorbed chakra from Gaara's Sand.

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Gaara had him bound with sand, but Preta Path absorbed it when he used it on the Rasen Shuriken.

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Lee mentions Gaara's chakra when he's controlling the sand.

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Okay, I agree

 

[Rιver]

Mu can't tell a clone apart from the original.



And how am I supposed to know? All I know is that its not Mokuton.

Elaborate.​

 

[Beans2]

Elaborate.​

Yeah, i didnt exactly understand either

 

[DMT]

Don't care who wins nor care to participate. But..

Onoki and muu being beat by madara was nothing but a small skirmish. Neither side went all out nor were in there primes. It was literally suppose to be a discussion that was suppose to happen, but them madara betrayed them and they didn't want to fight. Otherwise they would literally be dead if they continued that small skirmish.

Only fools would even mention that fight with a kid onoki and young muu as anything to brag about.

this here is right

 

[KidGamer65]

Elaborate.​

I did. Whenever Hashirama uses Mokuton Jutsu, he says "Mokuton". Nothing in Myojinmon's title or effects imply that its a Mokuton Jutsu. If it were a Mokuton Jutsu, he would have said Mokuton. Don't know why everyone assumes its Mokuton.

 

[naruto7861]

Okay Muu can literally just kunai hashirama throat how would hashirama know when Oonaki attacks at the same time

 

[Rιver]

I did. Whenever Hashirama uses Mokuton Jutsu, he says "Mokuton". Nothing in Myojinmon's title or effects imply that its a Mokuton Jutsu. If it were a Mokuton Jutsu, he would have said Mokuton. Don't know why everyone assumes its Mokuton.

No, he does not; or at least, Madara and the others do not. Mayfly is a Mokuton jutsu, however, does he say imply Mokuton in such cases? No, he does not. Yamato, Zetsu and Obito all use minor Mokuton, however never state the jutsu out loud. Same with Mokuryū, that was used without even mention the technique at all[

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]. Naruto also left out the Fūton in Rasenshuriken [

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]. This is not just a weak evidence, but also opposable.​