Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

[TheSages456]

Contrary to popular beliefs, hashirama would have great difficulty beating either brother. Both against him, the bros are winning

kabuto said that hashiramas might was so great that not one single shinobi from the current era could match his level of power. madara said that the 5 kages were crap compared to hashirama and sasuke and itachi wouldnt beat the 5 kages.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Itachi solos 1 Tsukuyomi an its over
Just cause Madara fought him doesnt mean he used Tsukuyomi on him
Like Sasuke genjutsu isnt in his fighting style
He seems to be most Ninjutsu and some Taijutsu

 

[yuan of cruxis]

kabuto said that hashiramas might was so great that not one single shinobi from the current era could match his level of power. madara said that the 5 kages were crap compared to hashirama and sasuke and itachi wouldnt beat the 5 kages.

Madara knows that the 5 Kages would rape Hashirama

Itachi can solo Hashirama

 

[TheSages456]

Madara knows that the 5 Kages would rape Hashirama

Itachi can solo Hashirama

bullshit. you do know kabuto was including itachi and himself in that statement when he said no shinobi from the current era could match his power right. im gonna take madaras words over your speculation any day.

 

[raju22]

Man i am getting sick of this genjutsu beat every 1 thing, tell me wasan't it is shown in manga that any shinobi capable of disrupting his own chakra can break genjutsu? master jiriya was trying to teach naruto and he tried to use it but was not powerfull enough to do so.

But that dosent apply on the walking powerhouse like hashirama senju, as long as i think that any kage level ninja can break any kind of genjutsu with chakra disruption as shown when sasuke used his mangekyo genjutsu on danzo he releasd it like it was nothing,

i agree it was not on itachi's level but still a mangekyo genjutsu. And itachi was never seen using his tsukoyomi on any powerfull ninja,he only did it on bee who broke it in seconds with the help of 8 tail's so basicly he was not alone so i am not counting him.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

bullshit. you do know kabuto was including itachi and himself in that statement when he said no shinobi from the current era could match his power right. im gonna take madara words over your speculation any day.

Kabuto saids this, Madara saids that

Theres quite a few people that say Hiruzen was the strongest shinobi of all

And your just picking favorites
Everyone doesnt agree with Kabuto and Madara
Your just 1 of the people that do

Regardless Hashirama hasnt shown no way to counter Tsukuyomi

I'd also think Gaara can solo Hashirama
Along with a few others

 

[Gèckö]

Itachi solos. One tsukiyomi and it's over. U_U

Wth do you say dumb things like this

 

[Gèckö]

It's said that Itachis tsukiyomi can't be countered. Even a perfect Jinchuriki like Bee could do nothing against that. U_U

Who says he will get caught in it

 

[TheSages456]

Kabuto saids this, Madara saids that

Theres quite a few people that say Hiruzen was the strongest shinobi of all

And your just picking favorites
Everyone doesnt agree with Kabuto and Madara
Your just 1 of the people that do

Regardless Hashirama hasnt shown no way to counter Tsukuyomi

I'd also think Gaara can solo Hashirama

the same way everyone else counters sharingan genjutsu. dont look into their eyes. if hashirama got caught in genjutsu when he was fighting uchihas then he wouldve died.
btw part 2 hype and feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>part 1 hype and feats

saying gaara can solo hashirama is madness. the only person thats beating hashirama is edo madara.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Man i am getting sick of this genjutsu beat every 1 thing, tell me wasan't it is shown in manga that any shinobi capable of disrupting his own chakra can break genjutsu? master jiriya was trying to teach naruto and he tried to use it but was not powerfull enough to do so.

But that dosent apply on the walking powerhouse like hashirama senju, as long as i think that any kage level ninja can break any kind of genjutsu with chakra disruption as shown when sasuke used his mangekyo genjutsu on danzo he releasd it like it was nothing,

i agree it was not on itachi's level but still a mangekyo genjutsu.

For some genjutsu

But disrupting your chakra wont matter with Tsukuyomi
Why you think its 1 of the strongest genjutsus in history

If all you had to do was disrupt your chakra then it would be just as plain as any other genjutsu

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Wth do you say dumb things like this

Cause its a instant win and Hashirama isnt immune to genjutsu
And why do stupid people hop on the Hashirama bandwagon cause of 1 or 2 peoples opinion

If you ask me thats more stupid

 

[Joki]

his forest meaning not hashirama's. no proof hashirama could ever do what madaras doing. VOTE was most likely created by earth style jutsus from hashirama moving the earth around like even jirobo can.

Dude what? If anything Hashirama's is stronger than Madara's whose techniques were merely based off Hashirama's. You clearly didn't pay attention to the text in the chapter as when Kabuto continued to hype Hashirama up far beyond Madara's level and Madara did the same.

no he hasnt

Dude, I posted a link in that sentence that showed the panel he did that, your evidence is there of course he has.

because they werent born with the lucky ability to suppress bijuus without having to fight them and hashirama was not by himself.

restraining and suppressing isnt fighting. unless you want to praise 4th kazekage for suppressing ichibi

I showed you the on panel link of them fighting him. Yeahhhhh I'm kinda doubting Hashirama sealed Kurama the first few seconds of the fight. Assuming he could any ninja would be lucky to last that long. Did you read the chapter of where at the end of the fight between the three he told Kurama he was going to seal him? And I already know you didn't read the page I linked to you in my last post, so that's there in which hashirama was fighting Kurama on-panel

Itachi solos 1 Tsukuyomi an its over
Just cause Madara fought him doesnt mean he used Tsukuyomi on him
Like Sasuke genjutsu isnt in his fighting style
He seems to be most Ninjutsu and some Taijutsu

Why can't Hashirama simply use his superior genjutsu and put Itachi under it? Last chapter shows shinobi are still affected by genjutsu no matter their skill(as if it wasn't already proven) so regardless of if it's only for 1 second he'll have to break out. Hiruzen has a straight 5 in genjutsu as well and is probably the most experienced shinobi from Konoha or in the series, and he knew he had to land a hit to escape the genjutsu, he didn't even try to break it himself.

Tsukuyomi my ass, Hashirama didn't fight the greatest genjutsu user in the series with EMS without him even attempting genjutsu?

 

[Owarij]

Tsukuyomi my ass, Hashirama didn't fight the greatest genjutsu user in the series with EMS without him even attempting genjutsu?

Ems madara is not the greatest genjutsu user in the series

where are you getting this shit?

the greatest genjutsu user in the series thus far was either shishui or itachi

shishui was literally given the title, Uchiha's best genjutsu user...

Hashirama has no KNOWN counter for tsukyomi... diruption of chakra etc all of that can't work with Itachi's tsukyomi... You need uchiha blood and sharingan to beat it, Said by databooks, and itachi himself..

It's also too fast for even perfect jinks to cancel, since it ends in an instant...


Madara isn't itachi... Itachi's tsukyomi is an unbelievably powerful 1 hit ko, and was recognized even by danzo.. and he doesn't compliment anything alot...

Why can't Hashirama simply use his superior genjutsu and put Itachi under it?

Show me the normal genjutsu he would have that is superior to Ms genjutsu's..

You must be fking kidding me.. Kotoamatsuki and tsukyomi were called the strongest genjutsu's, You will never find genjutsu stronger than them in someones average master genjutsu arsenal

a hit to escape the genjutsu, he didn't even try to break it himself

Because he knows how the genjutsu works.. he knows all of hashirama's abilities... point?
tell me which is faster? tsukyomi or using handseals and getting that genjutsu off?
try again




And for the people saying hashirama is too strong to get 1 hit by tsukyomi?
Lol no
tsukyomi will own anyone who isn't an uchiha, Itachi was 100% positive it would work on kabuto, and kabuto is the strongest ninja in the manga


databook says

Namely, this means inside the genjutsu, the physical world's common sense is completely irrelevant and opposing the caster is impossible

Somebody caught into the Tsukuyomi find themselves into a strange world of infinity, their fate entirely lying inside the caster's hands.

As a result, the poor prisoner can only wait until the collapse of their psyches...!! Even a body made of iron or the speed of light are powerless before this jutsu, which is the reason why it is feared as the most powerful.

Concurrently, the only ones who can defeat Tsukuyomi are Sharingan possessors... And even then, exclusively the elite shinobi who have reached particularly high degrees of skillfulness.

One could say this is truly a God-given jutsu solely allowed to those blessed with Uchiha blood and prodigious aptitudes

 

[takiyacrowz]

uchiha bros

 

[Midday]

The overrating of Hashirama is beyond me.

 

[TobisPawn]

The overrating of Hashirama is beyond me.

It astonishes me, too. :shrug:

 

[Joki]

Ems madara is not the greatest genjutsu user in the series

where are you getting this shit?

the greatest genjutsu user in the series thus far was either shishui or itachi

shishui was literally given the title, Uchiha's best genjutsu user...

I said "with EMS" for a reason, EMS is naturally the more powerful of the two sharingans and you really think an EMS user would never use genjutsu?

Hashirama has no KNOWN counter for tsukyomi... diruption of chakra etc all of that can't work with Itachi's tsukyomi... You need uchiha blood and sharingan to beat it, Said by databooks, and itachi himself..

meanwhile, you all use what we don't know as seemingly evidence, "Oh he obviously didn't fight Kurama even though we know nothing of what happened in the fight" now you're trying to claim "since we don't know what happened we can't assume he can counter genjutsu"? What a horrible double standard

It's also too fast for even perfect jinks to cancel, since it ends in an instant...


Madara isn't itachi... Itachi's tsukyomi is an unbelievably powerful 1 hit ko, and was recognized even by danzo.. and he doesn't compliment anything alot...

Even if Hashirama is stupid enough to lock eyes with Itachi after beating an EMS user along with the most powerful beast in the series who solos Itachi with one swipe of a paw, he simpl uses his healing which is to a level greater than Tsunades, or tanks it.

Show me the normal genjutsu he would have that is superior to Ms genjutsu's..

Bringer of Darkness GG, doesn't require eye contact unlike Tsukuyomi which is easily avoidable from an ninja of Hashirama's caliber. Assuming the fight doesn't start with Itachi buried under 2,000 tons of wood.

You must be fking kidding me.. Kotoamatsuki and tsukyomi were called the strongest genjutsu's, You will never find genjutsu stronger than them in someones average master genjutsu arsenal

Because he knows how the genjutsu works.. he knows all of hashirama's abilities... point?
tell me which is faster? tsukyomi or using handseals and getting that genjutsu off?
try again

Exactly, Hiruzen with a 5 in genjutsu, the God of Shinobi, the guy who knew every jutsu in Konoha and was considered the strongest of all the 5 kages, this guy knew it was pointless to try breaknig out of Itachi's genjutsu. It took Itachi 2 seconds to rbeak Tayuya's with a partner on his side to counter it, guy's not doing shit with a forest dropped on him when he tries to break out.

And for the people saying hashirama is too strong to get 1 hit by tsukyomi?
Lol no
tsukyomi will own anyone who isn't an uchiha, Itachi was 100% positive it would work on kabuto, and kabuto is the strongest ninja in the manga

Heal & avoid eye contact while your genjutsu and 2000 tons of wood smash into Itachi. Susano'o doesn't protect against sound? That's great, it doesn't protect against air either. Itachi breathes the pollen and is knocked unconscious. He dies.

databook says

Yeah? I can play that game too. Bringer of Darkness Databook says:

-The unfathomable, everlasting darkness is enough for Sandaime to call it "dangerous"... Even Sandaime is unable to get a clue, and gets showered in blows...

No matter how skilled someone is, they have no option besides turning into sitting ducks...

GG

 

[Owarij]

Exactly, Hiruzen with a 5 in genjutsu, the God of Shinobi, the guy who knew every jutsu in Konoha and was considered the strongest of all the 5 kages, this guy knew it was pointless to try breaknig out of Itachi's genjutsu. It took Itachi 2 seconds to rbeak Tayuya's with a partner on his side to counter it, guy's not doing shit with a forest dropped on him when he tries to break out.

Hiruzen does not know all the jutsu in the leaf, stop talking bs

Heal & avoid eye contact while your genjutsu and 2000 tons of wood smash into Itachi. Susano'o doesn't protect against sound? That's great, it doesn't protect against air either. Itachi breathes the pollen and is knocked unconscious. He dies.

Lol proof hashirama fights without eye contact?
yea thought so

Yeah? I can play that game too. Bringer of Darkness Databook says:

Great , once again, which is going to activate fasteR? tsukyomi or him using handseals then casting bringer of darkness?

Not to mention itachi has heaven and earth genjutsu reversal, smh

 

[Stark]

EMS user and a MS genjustu master with sword of totsuka and yata mirror? Hashirama will be overwhelmed.. Uchiha bros mid-high diff.

 

[TobisPawn]

the same way everyone else counters sharingan genjutsu. dont look into their eyes. if hashirama got caught in genjutsu when he was fighting uchihas then he wouldve died.
btw part 2 hype and feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>part 1 hype and feats

saying gaara can solo hashirama is madness. the only person thats beating hashirama is edo madara.

Gaara can't solo Hashirama. Tobi can though.


OT: How will Hashirama fight without making eye contact? He'll have Amaterasus flying at him and we won't be able to notice them at all.