Hashirama vs Itachi and Sasuke

[Shunsin no Shisui]

i go by facts and feats. so sorry if sasukes better in all departments except experience. in terms of all shown abilities, sasukes superior. great dragon fire and amaterasu + hawk summon is bad news for a wood element user

sorry no. no evidence of that. only reason hes fighting the kages so well is mokuton and rinnegan. we've barely seen his EMS

i know that. but he didnt have rinnegan vs hashirama and hashiramas never seen rinnegan

sasukes kenjutsu kept up with bee's. and sasuke defeated a thousand fodders, without killing any of them and without getting a single scratch on him. madara said that around a hundred fodders was "too much"

lmao, you've jst proved my point about being "stuck up sauske fanboy."

(first quote)You go by facts nd feats. Facts have proved madara to be an "invincible immortal" as stated by itachi-san. Madara has accomplished much more nd greater feats(thanx to the ems) than any uchiha even before when sasuke was a fetus xd

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(second quote)Read madara's profile nd check up on his abilities, naruto.wikia.com is a site. Madara would own sasuek in taijutsu, kenjutsu ninjutsu skills, is more intelligent nd stronger than sauske nd is able to use mokuton nd rinnegan powers like you said. Madara's ems powers include: meteorite technique, bijuu manipulation(only seen on kurama) nd yasaka magatama. We haven't seen any sasuke's ems techs part frm yasaka magatama.

(third quote)As stated in another thread, madara would definately give hashirama a better fight in his current state than when he fought him before cause of rinnegan nd mokuton abilities.

(fourth quote) Where does madara say hundred fodders were "too much?" Plus even if sauske has surpassed madara in kenjustu, there is still much more madara can do than just weild his sword around. I also mentioned that sasuke nd naruto are overrated considering how young they both are nd wat they've learn't in a short time. This contradicts the meaning of 'experience over time.'

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Like i said, its not always the case. I don't completely disagree with you cause your right even though naruto believed kakashi to be his sensei, naruto did surpass kakashi but as for sauske, he has a long way to go. Just because of all the hate he has built up nd carried. His skills are still no where near madara's. Madara hasn't even reached his peak with the kage nd back when sasuke was against the kage, firstly he faced them seperately(starting with raikage, confronted by gaara, mei nd onoki. Madara is facing them all at the sme time. Nd besides some of the kage didn't even attack sauske during the summit, danzo escaped nd gaara didn;t want a fight. Naruto nd sasuke are both overrated if you ask me. Look at their age to begin with.

I'm talking bout an ems madara he would be dead right now if not for rennigan an wood style...his skills r no wer near madara tell me how many times hav u seen madara fight wit just ems alone o yea u really hav not so how can u say madara is more skilled than sasuke?

 

[kotoamatsukami]

lmao, you've jst proved my point about being "stuck up sauske fanboy."

(first quote)You go by facts nd feats. Facts have proved madara to be an "invincible immortal" as stated by itachi-san. Madara has accomplished much more nd greater feats(thanx to the ems) than any uchiha even before when sasuke was a fetus xd

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(second quote)Read madara's profile nd check up on his abilities, naruto.wikia.com is a site. Madara would own sasuek in taijutsu, kenjutsu ninjutsu skills, is more intelligent nd stronger than sauske nd is able to use mokuton nd rinnegan powers like you said. Madara's ems powers include: meteorite technique, bijuu manipulation(only seen on kurama) nd yasaka magatama. We haven't seen any sasuke's ems techs part frm yasaka magatama.

(third quote)As stated in another thread, madara would definately give hashirama a better fight in his current state than when he fought him before cause of rinnegan nd mokuton abilities.

(fourth quote) Where does madara say hundred fodders were "too much?" Plus even if sauske has surpassed madara in kenjustu, there is still much more madara can do than just weild his sword around. I also mentioned that sasuke nd naruto are overrated considering how young they both are nd wat they've learn't in a short time. This contradicts the meaning of 'experience over time.'

First off that meteor tec is from the rennigan even nagato was shown useing it...we hav yet to see Wat sasuke's full susanoo realy can d an if madara fought the 1st right now madara would step all over him.

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

I'm talking bout an ems madara he would be dead right now if not for rennigan an wood style...his skills r no wer near madara tell me how many times hav u seen madara fight wit just ems alone o yea u really hav not so how can u say madara is more skilled than sasuke?

Obviously know one has seen him with his ems activated during battle more than twice cause we've only seen madara in 2 fights where he has his ems activated. First one during his battle with hashirama nd the second fight when madara faced the fourth division. After he faced the fourth division he activated his rinnegan just before being confronted by the 5 kage. Quit acting like a child nd find out yourself how madara is much more stronger than saukse. Its pretty obvious just by comparing their techs nd skills you realize but i guess it doesn't occur to you immediately? The sme goes to 'USSJ Future Trunks'

 

[f4k3pyr0]

This question seems quite stupid and predictible. Its obvious that Senju would win
1. He killed Madara Uchiha whos skills are nearly limitless
2. He has wood release
3. He has far more experiance and smarter

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Hashirama beat Madara, who also had Tsukuyomi.

Doesnt mean he use it
And Itachi's Tsukyomi seems to be the strongest

 

[yuan of cruxis]

This question seems quite stupid and predictible. Its obvious that Senju would win
1. He killed Madara Uchiha whos skills are nearly limitless
2. He has wood release
3. He has far more experiance and smarter

Experience doesnt mean smarter
And i highly doubt his intelligence is above Itachi's
Itachi is smartest on the show apparently

 

[yuan of cruxis]

susano gets restrained by mokuton. the moment a bleeding eye is seen a wood wall will be put up. same goes for sasukes blaze release magatamas. hashirama was avoiding genjutsu from uchihas all his life and fought the strongest uchiha in history. not looking in their eyes is a basic rule. hashirama would instantly turn the area into a forest to give himself the environmental advantage. hashirama can also merge with his trees to avoid detection. hashirama can also make wood clones. hashirama is also a weapons master and can hold his own in a kenjutsu fight with sasuke or itachi. he can also advance his weapon mastery by using mokuton in conjunction with his weapons.

A basic rule you say
Hashirama was looking at Madaras eyes the whole time, during there little fight

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Obviously know one has seen him with his ems activated during battle more than twice cause we've only seen madara in 2 fights where he has his ems activated. First one during his battle with hashirama nd the second fight when madara faced the fourth division. After he faced the fourth division he activated his rinnegan just before being confronted by the 5 kage. Quit acting like a child nd find out yourself how madara is much more stronger than saukse. Its pretty obvious just by comparing their techs nd skills you realize but i guess it doesn't occur to you immediately? The sme goes to 'USSJ Future Trunks'

an u told me nonthing about how ems madara is stronger than ems sasuke in this post he had to put on his rennigan cuz if he didn't he would be dead right now.comparing their tecs an skills wat skills have u seen from madara an his ems really not a dam thing he got a weak ass susanoo thats all i kno.....old generation has to move over cuz the younger generation is just stronger.

 

[TobisPawn]

This question seems quite stupid and predictible. Its obvious that Senju would win
1. He killed Madara Uchiha whos skills are nearly limitless
2. He has wood release
3. He has far more experiance and smarter

1. He didn't kill Madara. What makes you know for sure that EMS Madara > MS Itachi or EMS Sasuke?
2. Aaaaaand? Its good and all, but don't you think two MS users should be able to counter it?
3. Experience, yes. Smart, we don't know. Itachi and Sasuke are smart in battle.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Facts have proved madara to be an "invincible immortal" as stated by itachi-san.

the opinion of someone who didnt even get the identity of tobi correct is not a fact.

Madara has accomplished much more nd greater

like what? losing to shodai over and over?

greater feats(thanx to the ems) than any uchiha even before when sasuke was a fetus

exactly. in 16 years sauske accomplished more ratio wise than madara's decades of life

naruto.wikia.com is a site.

its also fanmade

Madara would own sasuek in taijutsu, kenjutsu ninjutsu skills,

how do you know? sasuke killed a thousand sound ninjas without getting a scratch on him. he was going blow for blow with bee in kenjutsu

is more intelligent

sasuke is regarded as an observant genius almost on the level of his brother, and surpassing orochimaru's own genius by his own admission.

stronger than sauske nd is able to use mokuton nd rinnegan powers like you said

mokuton was given to him by kabuto and he cant use rinnegan to its full potential due to not having spent time training and uncovering its limits.

Madara's ems powers include: meteorite technique

no it doesnt

manipulation(only seen on kurama)

that was 3 tomoe, not EMS

yasaka magatama

matched by susano arrow and amaterasu shurikens

We haven't seen any sasuke's ems techs part frm yasaka magatama.

wrong. amaterasu sword, amaterasu projectiles, ability to spam susano without getting tired or blind etc

Where does madara say hundred fodders were "too much?"

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He killed Madara Uchiha

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He has wood release

so does yamato

He has far more experiance and smarter

show me evidence of hashirama being smarter than sasuke

 

[Shunsin no Shisui]

the opinion of someone who didnt even get the identity of tobi correct is not a fact.

like what? losing to shodai over and over?

exactly. in 16 years sauske accomplished more ratio wise than madara's decades of life

its also fanmade

how do you know? sasuke killed a thousand sound ninjas without getting a scratch on him. he was going blow for blow with bee in kenjutsu

sasuke is regarded as an observant genius almost on the level of his brother, and surpassing orochimaru's own genius by his own admission.

mokuton was given to him by kabuto and he cant use rinnegan to its full potential due to not having spent time training and uncovering its limits.

no it doesnt

that was 3 tomoe, not EMS

matched by susano arrow and amaterasu shurikens

wrong. amaterasu sword, amaterasu projectiles, ability to spam susano without getting tired or blind etc

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You are clearly ignorant nd stubborn yet again trying to prove me wrong.

(1st quote) Obviously you lack good observation skills. Itachi-san was referring to the 'real' uchiha madara tht time. Dn't you see madara's face at the bottom of the manga page?

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(2nd quote) You are clearly underestimating senju hashirama here. Hashirama would kill sauske through his fuinjutsu's alone Plus its not like sasuek has never lost to anyone in his generation. Back in part 1, he almost got ripped to shreds by gaara if wasn't for naruto protecting him nd entering his kyubi state.

(3rd quote) As stated before, sasuke is well overrated for his age compared to madara. Madara awakened his ems like in his 20s. Sasuke awakened his at 17. This could go back to wat sasori said to deidara. "He will die young." - This could very well apply to sauske. He would eventually use up all his abilities in short span of time.

(4th quote) Wats not? If there is any site you think is genuine in providing facts about naruto, mention it.

(5th quote) I think yuo need to analyze the manga chapter once again. How do you know madara didn't use his kenjutsu against a thousand shinobi. You think just because the manga didn;t mention it, it would be safe to assume? Plus you misunderstood, madara wasn't referring to the shinobi he used kenjustu on when he said "That's too many." He made this statement due to the amount of strain he got on his body after using a katon tech(seemingly more powerful than any sasuek's katon tech), then kenjutsu along with susano nd finally absorbing the rasen-shuriken(one of naruto's most powerful techs)by activating his rinnegan. If sauske was in madara's situation he would be dead by now.

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(6th qoute) Madara is supposedly sasuke's role model. There is a reason why kishi made madara nd sauske the only ones to awaken the ems. In order for sasuke to eventually surpass him. But sasuke has not atm. You are thinking to far ahead unfortunately.

(7th quote) Partly wrong, madara acquired a portion of hashirama's DNA during their confrontation in order to use wood release. Kabuto only gave him more dna that provided him with even greated power than yamato himself. His rinnegan abilities are exceptionally good. His only hindrance being lacking the paths.

(8th quote) Yes, the tenjiku is madara's ems-rinnegan tech as well as yasaka magatama. This is why even sasuke didn;t have yasaka magatam before he had ems but got it when he awakened it.

(9th qote) Tobi was able to control kurama with 3 tomoe base sharingan but madara had his ems activated during his fight with hashirama along with kurama summoned.

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(10th nd 11th quotes) More like susano arrow nd amaterasu shurikens vs susano blades, yasaka magatama, as well as some rinnegan techs like fujutsu kyuin nd tenjiku etc. By the way madara also has the "ability to spam susano without getting tired or blind."

 

[Steinbiz]

OMG people. WTF will tree branches do against barrages of Amaterasu, fireballs, Susano'o attacks and genjutsu's everwhere?

Hashirama is the most overhyped character on this website. Possibly even more so than Itachi.

 

[TobisPawn]

OMG people. WTF will tree branches do against barrages of Amaterasu, fireballs, Susano'o attacks and genjutsu's everwhere?

Hashirama is the most overhyped character on this website. Possibly even more so than Itachi.

Hashirama is indeed overhyped a lot...

I'd say Itachi and Sasuke win because Itachi and Sasuke > EMS Madara w/Kyuubi turned against him

 

[narutownsyouall]

OMG people. WTF will tree branches do against barrages of Amaterasu, fireballs, Susano'o attacks and genjutsu's everwhere?

Hashirama is the most overhyped character on this website. Possibly even more so than Itachi.

Do you not take in the fact that Fire style will not do much considering that Hashirama has soiton? Amatarasu only burns what it was focused on so it is not going to help much, And Itachi can not spam it (low chakra). Hashirama has fought enough Uchiha to counter Genjutsu or else he would have died a while ago. Susanoo is nothing if you have something like Mokuton.

Hashirama is indeed overhyped a lot...

I'd say Itachi and Sasuke win because Itachi and Sasuke > EMS Madara w/Kyuubi turned against him

This is not DBZ and Madara's Genjutsu is better than Sasuke's and Itachi's when it come to controlling TB considering he is the only one who has ever done it. And Hashirama owns them like a boss!

 

[TobisPawn]

Do you not take in the fact that Fire style will not do much considering that Hashirama has soiton? Amatarasu only burns what it was focused on so it is not going to help much, And Itachi can not spam it (low chakra). Hashirama has fought enough Uchiha to counter Genjutsu or else he would have died a while ago. Susanoo is nothing if you have something like Mokuton.

Amaterasu can travel, as shown by Itachi. It'll help. And so will Sasuke's Amaterasu Sword. Itachi's chakra is not even that low. He was sick for the most of the series.

This is not DBZ and Madara's Genjutsu is better than Sasuke's and Itachi's when it come to controlling TB considering he is the only one who has ever done it. And Hashirama owns them like a boss!

Madara's Kyuubi control >> Itachi and Sasuke's

Itachi's Tsukuyomi and regular Genjutsu >> Madara's.

And by the way, Tobi controlled Kurama too.

 

[narutownsyouall]

Amaterasu can travel, as shown by Itachi. It'll help. And so will Sasuke's Amaterasu Sword. Itachi's chakra is not even that low. He was sick for the most of the series.






Madara's Kyuubi control >> Itachi and Sasuke's

Itachi's Tsukuyomi and regular Genjutsu >> Madara's.

And by the way, Tobi controlled Kurama too.

You have no clue the full power of Madara's Genjutsu. EMS beats MS in every way. And just so you know. This is Hashirama not Madara we are talking about. Hashirama beat Madara and Kurama. Hashirama would beat both of them mid-hard and still make a couple of bonsai trees afterwards!

 

[xBijuu]

Hashirama High Diff.
I doubt if the Uchiha Bros can handle Kabuto, they will ever be able to handle Hashirama. Don't get me wrong they would stand a good chance and they would give him a good fight, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hashirama found a way to separate Sasuke from Itachi, and take care of them 1 by 1.

Hashirama is VERY experienced against Uchiha, but Itachi's genjutsu could be compared to Shisui's. Yet, I doubt anything less than a full-powered Tsukuyomi could hurt/fool the First Hokage with his terrain advantage + Unbelievable defensive technique + Experience with the Sharingan.

 

[Joki]

OMG people. WTF will tree branches do against barrages of Amaterasu, fireballs, Susano'o attacks and genjutsu's everwhere?

Hashirama is the most overhyped character on this website. Possibly even more so than Itachi.

Tree branches won't do much, but chakra enhanced forests that casually dwarf meteors and make you go to go unconscious if you breathe when you're inside them will do a lot. That's hardly all that Hashirama is capable of though fortunately for him.

Hashirama already beat EMS Madara who casually shits on Itachi and Sasuke, to add to that Kurama was also against him. You know, the nine-tailed beast whose bijuu dama easily dwarf mountains? It's not "over-hype" when the hype is warranted, but if you mean "hax" and "in the series" rather than "on this site" then I agree.

 

[TobisPawn]

Tree branches won't do much, but chakra enhanced forests that casually dwarf meteors and make you go to go unconscious if you breathe when you're inside them will do a lot. That's hardly all that Hashirama is capable of though fortunately for him.

Hashirama already beat EMS Madara who casually shits on Itachi and Sasuke, to add to that Kurama was also against him. You know, the nine-tailed beast whose bijuu dama easily dwarf mountains? It's not "over-hype" when the hype is warranted, but if you mean "hax" and "in the series" rather than "on this site" then I agree.

I doubt EMS Madara > MS Itachi and EMS Sasuke together.