Hashirama v Hurizen

[Whalelord]

I'll say it again, The Hashirama that Orochimaru made is nothing compared to the real Hashirama. The Edo Tensei Hashirama was made to TOY with Hurizen. We're talking about the guy that beat Madara.......

correction he didn't make him, he revived him. Toying around with you with unlimited chakra & health ok just like enma told him it's not like you to fight this way also holding back.

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When you could come up with and excuse for having unlimited chakra an a undieing body i'll be waiting lmao

 

[shelke]

White fang's hype puts him on the sannin's level according to the viz scan.
The level of the sannin is far above than of a chunin.

People act like kishi throws random titles/hype at characters.

Does the scan say he was sanin level, or you just assumed it?

 

[Fanta]

correction he didn't make him, he revived him. Toying around with you with unlimited chakra & health ok just like enma told him it's not like you to fight this way also holding back.

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When you could come up with and excuse for having unlimited chakra an a undieing body i'll be waiting lmao

Get it through your head. The Hashirama that Orochimaru used in nothing compared to the real Hashirama. Are you seriously saying that Hiruzen > Hashirama and Tobirama?

 

[Exaar]

So you're saying what he said about Hashirama isn't true?
Forcing someone who isn't "trying" isn't too much of a feat.
So, you believe Hiruzen to be above the likes of DSM Kabuto? :rofl:

Yeah because hashirama being above DSM isn't laughable, But Hiruzen who is hyped to be stronger than hashirama, cannot possibly be stronger than DSM kabuto?.

Great logic right there.

You misunderstand what I'm saying. Even with the jutsu he would be able to use against Hashirama, as Orochimaru's talent shadows over Hiruzen's knowledge, Hashirama's own much higher amount of talent would do the same.

What makes you think Hashirama has "much higher amount of talent" than Hiruzen?.

Based on what exactly?

Does the scan say he was sanin level, or you just assumed it?

If i remember right then yes it did, I havn't the scan on me since i lost all my Viz saves when i got a new computer.

Ask Owarij in his "Viz clear up thread" or what ever it's called, He might have it somewhere.

 

[Whalelord]

Get it through your head. The Hashirama that Orochimaru used in nothing compared to the real Hashirama. Are you seriously saying that Hiruzen > Hashirama and Tobirama?

Why are you dodging the question???

Which one is a better feature unlimited chakra or limited ? Stable body or undieing body ?

What excuses can be made tell me please answer the question?

 

[Strict]

Why is this still debated? A versus thread can't merely be discussed by hype. As much hype as Hiruzen may have, he doesn't belong in vs. threads, as Tobirama doesn't. Hashirama beats him with low difficult. He enjoys the same hype as Hiruzen as being called god of Shinobi and being considered to be overall skilled. The different is, that hashirama has the feat of Mokuton and his medical skills, two super powerful abilities, especially the Mokuton.

 

[Omnipotent]

Yeah because hashirama being above DSM isn't laughable, But Hiruzen who is hyped to be stronger than hashirama, cannot possibly be stronger than DSM kabuto?.

Great logic right there.





What makes you think Hashirama has "much higher amount of talent" than Hiruzen?.

Based on what exactly?

And where is Hiruzen hyped to be above Hashirama? Was this before Hashirama was even introduced? Just as Hiruzen was hyped to be above A, Onoki, Yagura/Mei, and the Yondaime Kazekage at the time of his death BEFORE these characters were even introduced whereas his feats display nothing that even implies so, the main flaw in that hype is that... Hashirama wasn't introduced into the story as of yet. Hiruzen was the only other Hokage other than Minato that we knew of, and even he wasn't even properly introduced.

Did you not read? I was comparing Orochimaru's talent to Hashirama.

 

[Exaar]

Why is this still debated? A versus thread can't merely be discussed by hype. As much hype as Hiruzen may have, he doesn't belong in vs. threads, as Tobirama doesn't. Hashirama beats him with low difficult. He enjoys the same hype as Hiruzen as being called god of Shinobi and being considered to be overall skilled. The different is, that hashirama has the feat of Mokuton and his medical skills, two super powerful abilities, especially the Mokuton.

The point i'm trying to make isn't that Hiruzen is definitely stronger than hashirama no questions ask.

I'm simply trying to point out that there is the possibility for him to be the strongest.

And where is Hiruzen hyped to be above Hashirama? Was this before Hashirama was even introduced? Just as Hiruzen was hyped to be above A, Onoki, Yagura/Mei, and the Yondaime Kazekage at the time of his death BEFORE these characters were even introduced whereas his feats display nothing that even implies so, the main flaw in that hype is that... Hashirama wasn't introduced into the story as of yet. Hiruzen was the only other Hokage other than Minato that we knew of, and even he wasn't even properly introduced.

Did you not read? I was comparing Orochimaru's talent to Hashirama.

Him not being introduced doesn't change much, Kishi has not claimed in any interview or Databooks then he has taken back hiruzen's hype at all.
You make it sound like kishi plans the manga as he goes along and hasn't planned the manga at all. All of hashirama's feats/hype have been introduced befor prime hiruzen. it can work both ways.

 

[Exaar]

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I facepalm IRL everytime someone attempts ABC logic.

 

[Fanta]

I facepalm IRL everytime someone attempts ABC logic.

I think this goes beyond ABC logic. LOL.

 

[ItachiStyle]

Go look up with myth busting thread on Hiruzen. It covers all this. Hashi wins. End discussion

 

[TobisPawn]

Hashirama...well...sort of rapes Old Hiruzen. A younger Hiruzen might go down with mid-high diff for Hashirama, depending on how Kishi decides to treat him from here on out.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Hashirama stomps, nuff said.

stop this idiocy...

I agree

 

[Unorthodox]

hiruzen already won