Hashirama v Hurizen

[Exaar]

We have seen a good amount of feats and hype from both sides in this situation.

Tsunades feats and hype are far above that of tobirama. We've seen almost nothing feat and hype wise by tobirama.

"going by what we have seen in the manga"

Tsunade hype > Tobirama hype
Tsunade feats > tobirama feats.

So by "Logic" tsunade >> tobirama.

 

[HadouKage]

My god, how many times to i have to tell people, It's a really simple thing to understand.
It was not iruka's opinion, So iruka being the one saying it means nothing, Hiruzen's strongest hokage hype was the opinion of a mass of people, not by one Chunin.

None of hashirama's hype contradicts hiruzen's strongest hokage/God of shinobi hype, todays manga if anything Proves that him and hashirama were very close in strength since they both were hailed as "God of shinobi".

People also consider Hashi's strength to be a fairytale, fact is people use Iruka and Oro's "statement" to hype Hiruzen to make him seem Godly. They've both been deemed God of Shinobi (twice) and we've seen feats from Hashi. Fanboys proof for why Hiruzen is so Godly is because of hype, which is invalid because Kakashi was said to copy a thousand jutsu but does that make it true? Anyway, we know Hashi's feats so as of now

Hashi > Hiruzen

 

[Midday]

Wood dragon.



Hurizen's hype = Hashirama's hype more or less

Then, going by feats we can see that Hashirama has the upper hand...


- Defeated EMS Madara

This is by far his greatest feat, People seems to think that EMS Sasuke can match Naruto so it's only far to say EMS Madara is far above Sasuke given his experience and all, Hashirama manage to not only defeat Madara he defeated and sealed the Kyuubi, a full powered Kyuubi a feat no one else has achieved as Minato only sealed it whilst deal with Tobi who is argubly a lot less powerful then Madara.

- Mokuton

Incredible haxxed, Madara defeated the Gokage with it, Hashirama physically subdued Kurama with it, Yamato rebuilt Konoha with it, Danzo dodged Susanoo with it.

- Senju DNA

In conjuction with Uchiha DNA unlocks godly powers without it Madara would be dead as would Tobi (Izanagi, Konan fight) It gives life.

Hiruzen's feats:

Sealing an edo version of Hashirama alongside his brother and Orochimaru, he did this as an old man.

 

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not mine though but funny

 

[pateuvasiliu]

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not mine though but funny

I didn't notice Hashi at first.

Then I lolled so hard.

 

[Fanta]

Tsunades feats and hype are far above that of tobirama. We've seen almost nothing feat and hype wise by tobirama.

"going by what we have seen in the manga"

Tsunade hype > Tobirama hype
Tsunade feats > tobirama feats.

So by "Logic" tsunade >> tobirama.

We know next to nothing about Tobirama, but we know alot about Hashirama and Hurizen. SO that "logic" doesn't apply.

Hiruzen's feats:

Sealing an edo version of Hashirama alongside his brother and Orochimaru, he did this as an old man.

Hashirama was made by Orochimaru to TOY with Hurizen...

 

[Exaar]

We know next to nothing about Tobirama, but we know alot about Hashirama and Hurizen. SO that "logic" doesn't apply.

We know nothing of Hiruzen Prime also, So i don't see your point. We know about as much about prime hiruzen as we do about tobirama.

All we know of Hiruzen's prime is that he is hailed as the god of shinobi and is also hailed as the strongest hokage, Thats all we know.

 

[Kages]

Fail thread is fail... Hiruzen wins, but I have no idea who "Hurizen" is

 

[ItachiStyle]

Kages is talking tough for a guy whose dreams are about to be S#@$ on by the manga. Poor Kages... he's a dead man walking. Can I pick your new display pic?

 

[Kages]

Kages is talking tough for a guy whose dreams are about the be S#@$ on by the manga. Poor Kages... he's a dead man walking. Can I pick your new display pic?

That made no sense.. Stay on topic, and character bashing is against the rules.

 

[LegendaryAce]

Really?, please show me where you've seen prime hiruzen?, Show me him fighting and how "obviously" weaker he is.

Even though at the very least his hype puts him on par with hashirama.

You also forget we havent seen what a prime hashirama can do... we've only seen a version which was controlled fully by orochimaru which is probably a far cry from what he could do

 

[BigBlade Master]

I agree

 

[Fanta]

We know nothing of Hiruzen Prime also, So i don't see your point. We know about as much about prime hiruzen as we do about tobirama.

All we know of Hiruzen's prime is that he is hailed as the god of shinobi and is also hailed as the strongest hokage, Thats all we know.

You really think he is going to be significantly stronger? All age does is give you stamina and speed... There is no way he would be strong enough to beat Hashirama just from being younger.

Fail thread is fail... Hiruzen wins, but I have no idea who "Hurizen" is

A simple statement saying "Hiruzen wins" proves nothing...

 

[Exaar]

You really think he is going to be significantly stronger? All age does is give you stamina and speed... There is no way he would be strong enough to beat Hashirama just from being younger.

Both Oro and Enma hint that his prime is Far far stronger than his old state, hence why both of them stated how miserable his performance was in the battle.

Having lower stamina affected his Ninjutsu, he couldn't use any powerful techs, Limited number of clones and so on.

Having lower speed effects both defensive and offensives skills and lowers taijutsu to a degree, Also lowers the chances for a good counter attack.

Lower strength effecting his Taijutsu and all of his phsyical attributes, not being able to use Enma in pole form efficiently and so on.

A simple statement saying "Hiruzen wins" proves nothing...

funny...coming from someone who opened his thread with

"Hashirama stomps, nuff said."

 

[shelke]

I can't believe people think those two mind-less retards Orochimaru controlled equate the real deal. i mean, seriously? Hashirama is said to be a stuff of the fairy-tales. This alone puts him tiers above Hizuren. The prime logic is pure rubbish, as the only thing Hizuren would have in those years are better stamina and that's it. No where in the manga does prime equate to new or powerful abilities. It just implies that a character's stats in terms of endurance and resilience in battle with be shifted. My god.

 

[Exaar]

I can't believe people think those two mind-less retards Orochimaru controlled equate the real deal. i mean, seriously? Hashirama is said to be a stuff of the fairy-tales. This alone puts him tiers above Hizuren. The prime logic is pure rubbish, as the only thing Hizuren would have in those years are better stamina and that's it. No where in the manga does prime equate to new or powerful abilities. It just implies that a character's stats in terms of endurance and resilience in battle with be shifted. My god.

So Fairy-tail like strength > God like strength?.

Seems legit.

 

[shelke]

^ Do you even know that both are hyperboles? Yet one puts a character outside the realms of said realities or believed realities completely? Also, Hashirama was also called a god-like ninja. This still doesn't prove anything, as any of Hizuren's abilities don't hold the candle to Hashirama's mokuton feats we saw through Madara.

 

[Exaar]

^ Do you even know that both are hyperboles? Yet one puts a character outside the realms of said realities or believed realities completely? Also, Hashirama was also called a god-like ninja. This still doesn't prove anything, as any of Hizuren's abilities don't hold the candle to Hashirama's mokuton feats we saw through Madara.

Well duh of course they don't, We've only seenhold hirzuen back in part one, who's stamina ran low after a couple of Jutsu's and 2 clones.

According to Oro and Enma that hiruzen that fought Oro was was nothing compared to his normal self. He must of had some extremely powerful jutsu's to even Gain the title of god of shinobi.
The title isn't giving out to any kage who have great strength.

If a Weak and old Hiruzen is able to hold the hokage title and be hailed as the strongest of the 5 current kages, He must be something extremely special in his prime.

 

[Fanta]

Both Oro and Enma hint that his prime is Far far stronger than his old state, hence why both of them stated how miserable his performance was in the battle.

Having lower stamina affected his Ninjutsu, he couldn't use any powerful techs, Limited number of clones and so on.

Having lower speed effects both defensive and offensives skills and lowers taijutsu to a degree, Also lowers the chances for a good counter attack.

Lower strength effecting his Taijutsu and all of his phsyical attributes, not being able to use Enma in pole form efficiently and so on.





funny...coming from someone who opened his thread with

"Hashirama stomps, nuff said."

Pretty much all assumptions coming from you about how strong he was.

Sorry but there is no way in hell I'm putting him on Madara and Hashirama's level. My opinion.

 

[Omnipotent]

He must of had some extremely powerful jutsu's to even Gain the title of god of shinobi.

But Hiruzen even admitted that all of his knowledge is no match for Orochimaru's talent:

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The title isn't giving out to any kage who have great strength.

Disagree; to be made Hokage one of the prerequisites is being the strongest in the village at the time:

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If a Weak and old Hiruzen is able to hold the hokage title and be hailed as the strongest of the 5 current kages, He must be something extremely special in his prime.

He was considered the strongest of the five Kage... simply due to the fact that he was Hokage:

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Going by that logic, Tobirama > Muu and the Nidaime Mizukage.